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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

Hi All,

I'm a longtime visitor/fan of a.net and finally bought a membership. This is my first post, so hopefully I don't break any rules! Anyway, most of you have heard that NW is wanting to bring in some merger consultants (see http://www.financialrealtime.com/sto...tories/financial-news555811.html). Care to share your suspicions as to what they're up to? Hoping to find a buyer or looking to do some acquiring? Who?

My thought is that their first choice is CO as their target, especially since CO recently stated (http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1164144487.html) that they'd participate in 'The Great Game' of todays US airline industry...


Hail! to the victors valiant, Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes, Hail! Hail! to Michigan the leaders and best! Go Blue!
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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

Welcome to a.net!

Quoting NW748i (Thread starter):
This is my first post, so hopefully I don't break any rules!

First rule broken...not checking to see how many threads on the same topic are already in play. Big grin  Big grin  Big grin



NW Hires Merger Consultant (by WorldTraveler Dec 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7421 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9632 times:
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
First rule broken...not checking to see how many threads on the same topic are already in play.

Stay away from NWA DC9 retirement threads



Made from jets!
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Welcome to a.net.

it's (for the most part) a great bunch - just avoid duplicating subjects and talking about NWA's DC9s and you'll be fine!

 Smile

-G



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Welcome to A-Net! NW is looking to buy/sell/merge. Something is going to happen. What, we don't know. My guess is still that NW and DL will eventually get together, but others will disagree. But, NW could pull off a buy using venture capitol money. No scenerio would surprise me.

Just for the record, when do you think NW will retire the DC-9s?  Big grin


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Whats a DC-9?

I have a weird sense of humor NW748i...
Being the DC9 king here with almost 600 rides I say Welcome and have a
great ride here on A Net..
safe  blockhead 



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4):
Just for the record, when do you think NW will retire the DC-9s? Big grin

What, NWA is going to get rid of their DC-9s ? Who started that rumor ? They are just taking a rest in the desert! Its cold in MSP this time of year.  biggrin 


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

Nothing at all could happen to NW... they are just exploring options.

The fact that their consultant gets a bonus if a merger occurs does help to move things along but we're seeing that even Dougie can't make a merger work if there aren't two willing partners.


User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

If nothing happens with CO, my next dream-come-true would be for AF/KLM to pick them up. However, given that last week the Whitehouse dropped their pressure to ease up on the foreign ownership restrictions, the likelihood of that outcome looks bleak at best. I think a deal with CO is the best bet for NW (tho not necessarily for vice versa).


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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

I just joined yesterday as well, an excellent group of people on here.

To the topic... the only reasonable merger I could see regarding fleets is either UA or US, just because of the Airbuses in the domestic fleet going together, and especially UA with the 747's. But thats probably why I'm not part of a merger consultant company.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

NW/US Merger makes lots of sense from a fleet, hub, and route structure standpoint.

NW/DL makes some sense based on hub and flight structure, but less sense based on fleet and employee standpoint.

NW/CO makes some sense based on hub and flight structure, but less sense based on fleet and employee standpoint.

NW/UA makes no sense since due to its overlapping hubs and the likely anti-trust implications in Asia.


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9116 times:

From my understanding, they hired the consultant just to be prepared. It doesn't necessarily mean they are looking or actively being sought, but a consultant like this will help them plan out the many different scenarios in play.

It probably helps to have someone that knows about mergers in the BK arena, as I'm sure that fact alone could complicate matters many times over.

Personally I think NW/US makes the most sense....but hey, if US is going to try to take on DL first, I'm not sure they've got all their ducks in a row.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 10):
To the topic... the only reasonable merger I could see regarding fleets is either UA or US, just because of the Airbuses in the domestic fleet going together, and especially UA with the 747's. But thats probably why I'm not part of a merger consultant company.

True, plus NW would get western hub/focus city with PHX and LAS, as well as East Coast ops at PHL and CLT, while maintaining its midwestern hubs at MSP and DTW.

HOWEVER... US has emphatically stated they are not interested in NW because of labor and culture differences. UA may be a little better, although I don't think it has the cash for any acquisition/merger with anybody. If such a merger were to happen, sure there is the aircraft similarities, but they would also pick up an east coast hub at IAD, and a west coast hub at SFO, as well as AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN, though not so West Coast. Plus some Europe routes, including LHR. An area of interest with the hubs, there would be 3 large ones in fairly close proximity of one another: ORD, MSP, DTW... Anybody think that having large hubs at ORD, MSP AND DTW might be a problem on here, or no?



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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8928 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
Anybody think that having large hubs at ORD, MSP AND DTW might be a problem on here, or no?

I do agree with you Steeler83.. having the hubs in close proximity in each other would be a problem. However, could they take out one of those, maybe MSP, and have ORD and DTW there for hubs? I think that it could work, just things like that would have to take some time to figure out.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8925 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
Excuse Me? Wow!

Ok..ok...... so I'm now a runner up...
darn that JetJack anyways....  tongue 
At last count mine was 566....just on the niner... USAir,CO,TW,NC,RC,EA,DL,OZ,
Midway,Hawaiian and of course most were on this airline with a redtail. I have been on ALL of theirs. I have the N numbers and my flight log documented.
The most ridden is N770NC, a model 50, ten times

safe



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

Does anyone know if NW has even been 'unofficially' approached regarding a merger prospect? Even a rumor??? I see that CO and UA are at least in preliminary talks (http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1166013319.html). Quite frankly, I think those two were NW's best realistic hopes (tho US would do, despite my dislike of them). If NW's announcement that they are hiring these consultants doesn't spur interest in them as a merger partner, I'm thinking they might be in real trouble...

That's especially bad for DTW and the whole SE Michigan region. I think that DTW is about the best thing that the area has going for it, seriously. Things up there are going from bad to worse monthly on the economic front...

In fact, I was stunned to hear that LH was adding another frequency and giving DTW two daily from FRA. But that's a story for another thread.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6157 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8609 times:
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Quoting NW748i (Reply 15):
That's especially bad for DTW and the whole SE Michigan region. I think that DTW is about the best thing that the area has going for it, seriously. Things up there are going from bad to worse monthly on the economic front...

South Eastern Michigan is in one hell of a slump. I live very close to DTW in a lower middle class neighborhood and the disappearing manufacturing jobs have hit my neighborhood very hard. We in the "D" don't need to lose a big employer, like NW. If the DTW hub was to go away, like TWA at STL, it would be another fork in the burnt steak which is our local economy.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 5):
Being the DC9 king here with almost 600 rides

That is cool! I though I had a lot. I never counted before, but I would think I am probably around 100 or so. A few more if you count those TWA MD-80s as DC-9s.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
just avoid duplicating subjects and talking about NWA's DC9s and you'll be fine!

NWA DC-9s rule!



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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Welcome to A-net. And, ignore these people with their DC-9 rumors, NW is never going to retire them, the world of avaition would just be too boring

User currently offlineJSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):
South Eastern Michigan is in one hell of a slump. I live very close to DTW in a lower middle class neighborhood and the disappearing manufacturing jobs have hit my neighborhood very hard. We in the "D" don't need to lose a big employer, like NW. If the DTW hub was to go away, like TWA at STL, it would be another fork in the burnt steak which is our local economy.

I think this is the part of merger scenarios that most people don't think about. While its debatable whether or not consolidation is better for the industry as a whole, the impact to the local economies in some hub/focus cities would certainly be detrimental.

Take for example my Northwest at MSP doomsday scenario: NW is a major employer in the Twin Cities (I dont have an exact number, but its big) thanks to the MSP hub and corporate HQ in Eagan. Should they be bought out by a carrier with a large hub at ORD for example, I would imagine that the number of flights to MSP would be drastically reduced, and many of those hard working folks would be out of a job or forced to relocate if they wanted to stay with the company. Jobs for baggage handlers, gate and check-in staff, aircraft servicing companies, etc would likely all be cut down, while pilot and FA jobs could be relocated to other cities.

Please correct me if I'm exaggerating or being overly dramatic, but I just don't see how consolidation could possibly be beneficial for any of Northwest's hub cities. However if it must happen, I would think that merging with US or DL would have the smallest impact to local economies.

Thoughts?


User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):
South Eastern Michigan is in one hell of a slump. I live very close to DTW...

I'm born and raised in "the 'D'" (suburbs). But in October I got the hell outta there with all due swiftness--moved to DC/Metro. Being here, Michigan looks even worse as I participate in and consider the good economic times in other parts of the country. Considering the situation there, I presume that Christmas is a rather dismal affair for many this year. Despite that, I'll look forward to flying into DTW next week to spend some time with the fams.

Quoting JSquared (Reply 18):
the impact to the local economies in some hub/focus cities would certainly be detrimental.

You don't know how right you are! If this aspect interests you, check out this study provided by IATA: http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/AFE...E5F/0/airline_network_benefits.pdf



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
UA may be a little better, although I don't think it has the cash for any acquisition/merger with anybody.

Available cash is not needed to propose a merger, just access to equity lenders. I believe that US does not have a single dollar of its own cash involves in the DL merger proposal. Is roughly 4 billion in borrowed money and 4 billion US stock. That was how PA proposed to buy NW back in the early 90's, when PA had negative cash and NW had 900 million in cash and zero debts. With the right backers, Mesa could propose to buy AA or UA!


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11486 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Have you noticed that NW is the only "mergeable" major without a dance partner currently? (I don't list AA because I think they're too big to merge with anyone but a small carrier like AS.)

UA seems to be getting buddy-buddy with CO (while fooling around with DL on the side?)

DL is fending off the unwanted advances of US (but may be forced to dance if UA/CO happens)

even AirTran and Midwest are having a little chat.

Who's talking to NW? Maybe the strife at NW is just too deep to cut through.

This is sounding more and more like an 8th grade dance.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
Who's talking to NW? Maybe the strife at NW is just too deep to cut through.

As I have said before, don't fool around with big red!!!!


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

NW isn't looking to merge, they are just hiring people to do research if others merge and whats the best route for the company to go.


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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 23):
NW isn't looking to merge

So are you putting then in the same camp that CO was in a couple weeks ago when they said that they would essentially "respond accordingly?" I imagine that if that company says "merge," NW will be looking to do that...



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25 Post contains images Steeler83 : I have said that this is unlikely, but just out of curiosity, what would the list of hubs/focus cities look like if this was up to you? Ah, I should
26 RwSEA : Hubs in MSP, DTW, CLT, PHL, PHX, with smaller focus cities in LAS/PIT. LAX, SEA, NRT, HNL, and AMS remain gateways/international hubs. US is pretty w
27 Steeler83 : So basically IND and MEM are scrapped in your eyes? I could see how MEM would be. I heard that the facility is awful! Both agreed, but I don't think
28 Ckfred : A friend of mine is a pilot with AA. AA has no interest in a merger, since it still has issues from the purchase of TW. But, if US/DL merger goes thro
29 NASCARAirforce : With DL and US in there little dance, and UA and CO talking - if both of those go through, AA won't want to be left in the cold and it would be inevit
30 NW748i : But it has a great BBQ joint... However, seriously, I think a combined AA/NW could do without STL and MSP as hubs. What are AA's weekly O&D numbers f
31 Centrair : Can't see AA and NW. Fleet, routes, everything just doesn't fit. Not to mention they seem determined to get on solid footing and keep going not do som
32 Rampart : Mention on this evening's ABC national news, AA is talking to NW (in response to the flurry of partnerships being discussed this week). Haven't heard
33 Azjubilee : As mentioned, I think NWA/US makes more sense than DL/US. Everything from fleet to route structure match well. I'm not so sure CLT would be the best g
34 Post contains images Fewsolarge : How about this: AA buys NW's Pacific division and NW uses the cash to buy AirTran.
35 Azjubilee : Ithink NWA would have to be seconds from deaths door before it sells the Pacific division. I doubt anyone would go the route of PanAm, selling profita
36 Post contains images Thegooddoctor : Did I read correctly here that if NW and US merge, DC-9s would be resurrected from the Desert to run a half-hourly PHX/LAX/LAS shuttle? How exciting!
37 NW748i : Sheesh... the management at NW isn't THAT bad.
38 NW748i : Did ABC give any specifics?
39 NASCARAirforce : Yeah, they wouldn't shut down AA's hub at ORD completely. I for one could see an hourly 767-300 shuttle between DTW and ORD - probably a lot carrying
40 BigGSFO : AA would keep ORD most likely as-is. The O&D and yield at Chicago is very strong. I could see smaller communities funneled through MSP and DTW howeve
41 Fewsolarge : What a perfect name!
42 NW748i : I agree 95%... drop MSP for international (maybe keep AMS and NRT) and I'll give you the extra 5%. NW doesn't give them many transoceanic routes rela
43 BigGSFO : Well I could see NRT and LGW staying in MSP. If AA were to acquire NW, the ties with KL might be severed in favor of oneworld carriers. If that's the
44 Post contains images BOS2LAF : Don't forget DCA, they'd have to have their heads up their to give up those slots. I still think the best partner for NW would be DL. As much of a lo
45 Bobnwa : You don't even know what they are, but you want Northwest to keep them?
46 NW748i : I would be happy with that. I just see so many potential problems, the most serious being uncertainty. With both in BK they will need to do some seri
47 BigGSFO : I said the most lucrative and didn't want to imply I knew which ones those would be. If I had to guess, I would say Japan has the best yields given a
48 NW748i : I don't know about DTW-LHR for O&D... in 2005 BA downgraded DTW from a 777 to a 767. However, I don't know what led to that. Relying on connecting tr
49 Rampart : No, unfortunately, it was a brief mention and haven't seen anything since. Anyone else heard anything more concrete that what we're speculating here?
50 Isitsafenow : Nope....people have flamed me because I said most of same things you have posted in your post 29. But I say AA WILL move MOST of their ops from ORD t
51 Post contains images BigGSFO : Not a flame, but I guess in my opinion if AA could duplicate the same yields/cargo/schedule at DTW as they get in ORD then just perhaps they would. B
52 AADC10 : This is often discussed but fleet commonality is fairly far down the list of issues. The biggest issues are probably routes, unions and finance. Equi
53 NASCARAirforce : This was in another post about DTW, but there was a meeting with the general public about DTW with two of the firms working on DTW's planning. They w
54 5mileBob : Though I would like to see a NWA / DL, or NWA / CO merger, I throw this up (figuratively speaking of course) for discussion / thoughts. MSP as a hub i
55 Ckfred : You have to remember that large companies, or companies with people who fly a lot, have contracts with major carriers. My wife's company is based in C
56 NW748i : But it's just as safe to assume that they will gain those contracts that NW had at DTW, which would at least significantly mitigate those ORD loses.
57 NWA757300 : I don't see MEM surving as a hub in a NW/AA merger. I would think STL would be more of a focus over MEM. NW/AA would shift operations to STL because i
58 BigGSFO : Without question, in the event of either NW/AA or NW/DL, the NW name will be absorbed. With that being said, the branding of the airline in a bilater
59 Isitsafenow : Well, here's how crazy it is. About the time NW opened the new building, there was a real honest to goodness rhetoric with AA making an offer to NW.
60 NASCARAirforce : A lot of that business would probably go to UA. If AA and NW merge and they closed DTW - they would also lose a lot of business especially from the B
61 Ckfred : You don't know Mayor Daley like I do, having lived in Chicago all of my life. ORD is his pride and joy, which is why he has fought against building P
62 NW748i : Could somebody either explain or point me to a place where I could learn about how this 5th freedom biz works? I don't know if AA is THAT desperate f
63 NW748i : I think you ought to consider what I've been saying in my posts. I never said that they would AA would completely pull out of ORD and shift everythin
64 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Bingo..........we have a WINNNAAAA!! Good post and thx for your input. safe
65 NASCARAirforce : However that won't do good in two years since Bush is gonna be outta there... thank God. I wasn't aware that Daly was friends with Bush, I thought he
66 USPIT10L : Eagle's all jet at ORD. NW doesn't have any EAS service from DTW, but they do have prop service. I wonder what ORD's highest O&D markets are.
67 NW748i : I think you're right on. Just last week Bush gave up on promoting increased foreign ownership limits on US airlines. This while Norm Minetta a week o
68 1rocco : NWA pilots and flight attendants would not take an offer by AA without a fight. AA pulled the wool over the eyes of the folks at TWA. This would get v
69 CIDFlyer : If for some reason a NW/AA merger took place, does AAEagle have enough planes to fill prospective hubs in MSP and DTW? Or would the Pinnacle CRJ's be
70 BigGSFO : CID, Eagle does not have enough planes to pick up the flying at MSP/DTW. My guess is that the new AA/NW would contract with with Pinnacle et al and t
71 CIDflyer : I agree, I think DTW and ORD would probably remain as is. MSP would probably be right sized like what DL did at CVG, maybe ending up at around 400 da
72 NASCARAirforce : What do you call all that stuff to Northern Mich like Alpena, and Houghton/Hancock? I thought that was Essential Air service. I also thought that Eri
73 FLYAWA : If a NW/US merger appears to be the better fit with fleet and route system, why did US go after DL? Were DL/NW already in talks, so a NW/US merger was
74 NW748i : I guess 'prospective' is the operative word here... In the scenario that I envision, MSP as a hub is the 'road not taken...' Hmmm... consider the dir
75 NASCARAirforce : That is almost what is going to have to happen if there were only 3 legacies left. It would almost seem pre deregulation again. You would see routing
76 Bobnwa : DTW-MCO? NWA has flown DTW-MCO about 8-9 times a day for years.
77 Surfdog75 : Good question. DL and NW have been in a parallel bankruptcy with NW scheduled to emerge early next year and DL scheduled by Apr. The two carriers do
78 USPIT10L : DTW-ERI is NOT EAS service. It is operated by a CRJ. All EAS service is turboprop with less than 30 seats, either operated by an SF340, or B1900D. AP
79 NASCARAirforce : I said it the stupid way I guess. Yes I have flown DTW-MCO plenty of times on NW since I lived in both towns. I screwed up, it was supposed to be Del
80 5mileBob : I again mention this fact for the prospective hubs, since it is mostly assumed that ORD and DTW would remain the main hubs, with MSP "down / right" si
81 Jetdeltamsy : I think it is entirely possible that an airline like American would purchase NWA, ground all of the DC9's, layoff about 25,000 people and work those
82 Post contains images MrSTL : Oh I can hear it now.. AA/NW Two great airlines, one great future!
83 RedTailDTW : Me too. I wonder if AA/NW would keep the AA bare metal scheme or would they combine the two airlines liveries. Does anyone have any ideas of possible
84 Bobnwa : None of these carriers or any other carrier would be using it's own money to acquire Northwest. Do you think these carriers have many billions of dol
85 Nitrohelper : Maybe the Airlines don't, but what if a Large hedge fund invests the money to take the NWA buy-out private? ? Then they sell AA the " long range" rout
86 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune Talk Of Northwest-American Merger Resurfaces http://www.startribune.com/535/story/879560.html
87 NASCARAirforce : Please put a smiley after your post about Southwest buying the DC-9s unless you really are serious... then I suggest a drug test. I am not sure I cou
88 NW748i : What about the bigger picture--international? Honestly, I'm not as familiar with AA's route structure, but I believe recently they had int'l service
89 NASCARAirforce : United considers LAX a hub, or it at least did consider it that. United definitely is the biggest legacy carrier at LAX - with a lot of domestic, reg
90 Bobnwa : Hawaii and Europe service to start with!!!! I think you need to look at a Northwest schedule and see where they do fly. ie: DTW-MCO, SEA-AMS, SEA-HNL
91 USPIT10L : The B1900s were added because of a shortfall in the US mainline fleet. F100 mainline service was cut in 2002. ERI is NOT an EAS market. NW and CO hav
92 Jetjack74 : Doug Steenland and the rest of the upper management and majority shareholders stand to gain much more with NWA as a stand alone carrier at this point
93 Isitsafenow : Reach for your wallet........I'll have a piece of that action... i.e. never say never..... Herb looked at RJ's and DO NOT rule out a wide body in the
94 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: The Pioneer Press Pressure Builds On Northwest To Find A Merger Partner http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?siteSection=3&id
95 UA772IAD : Welcome to A.net! I recently read an article in the Washington Times, which focused on the UA/CO potential merger, but has an interesting sidenote abo
96 Nitrohelper : Well I guess he was a short necked goose then, here in CheeseLand we call them a green head, or Mallard . Herman had rings on his neck, maybe Northwe
97 Post contains links NASCARAirforce : Ok, I already mentioned the DTW-MCO thing was a misprint when I was talking about Delta actually and AA flying those routes. The last time I flew NW
98 Bobnwa : You're right no one has or is calling it a hub for Northwest.
99 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Your terminalogy is.... went. Mine is.... would go. safe
100 NW748i : I think NW/CO would be a bit less complicated. However, NW sorta needs a 'big brother' to absorb and rectify the problems pointed out by Jetjack. AA
101 USPIT10L : If AA was the acquiring party, then the combined airline would stay in OneWorld. SkyTeam would still be anchored by Delta, if the merger goes through
102 NW748i : Assuming that US/DL remains in Sky... and I think they will.
103 Ckfred : It wasn't AA that pulled the wool over the eyes of the TW employees. AA's unions were against any sort of merging of the seniority lists that didn't
104 Jetjack74 : Which is why it will go to arbitration if a merger actually goes through. I believe the pilots are trying to have a poisen pill cluase put into their
105 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Yep, that's the way its shaping up. safe
106 CIDflyer : I think DTW and ORD would still be major hubs in the 500+ daily flights category. Many have said MSP would be downgraded to a focus city, I could see
107 NASCARAirforce : I think Air Tran really has their eye on building a hub in the Great Lakes/Midwest area, that is why they are talking to Midwest Airlines. If Air Tra
108 Jafa : Maybe NW should buy AirTran after AirTran buys Midwest. They would get thier hands on the 717's, cheap labor, get a hub in ATL and eliminate two compe
109 Nitrohelper : I agree this would give NWA the DC-9s for another 30 years ! They could haul those Airbus "Otto Pylots" back from the desert! Northwest should buy Al
110 NASCARAirforce : An airline in Chapter 11 buying an airline that is fine financially would go over well like a fart in church. Yeah then they should buy Hawaiian Airl
111 NW748i : Does CompassAir play any role at all in this. I haven't heard anything about that idea in a minute expect that they have a 'flight.' Has that idea bee
112 NASCARAirforce : This discussion is actually occuring over in the NW considers buying Mesaba discussion.
113 SESGDL : MSP has higher O&D than DTW does, so I don't understand why everyone says that MSP will be downsized. DTW's international network would certainly go
114 NW748i : Uhm... consider the context. After that it might become apparent to you that the alliance being referred to was OneWorld, whose largest member is AA.
115 Post contains images SESGDL : Haha, smart ass. That's because people are uninformed about DTW and MSP's O&D numbers, where MSP actually beats out DTW. If most people knew this the
116 NW748i : Well, at least your criteria and overall argument are simple. Quite frankly, I think it's a mistake to look at one variable to draw your conclusion..
117 Post contains links and images NW748i : And then this appears today: http://www.startribune.com/535/story/913859.html Does anyone have any inside info on it? What I specifically want to know
118 USPIT10L : I would think that NW is trying to fortify itself from a takeover. There's no animosity between NW and MSP, AFAIK, so I seriously doubt that NW would
119 NW748i : I could understand them wanting to acquire someone, but they need to be just a bit flexible. Yet seeing the position that DL is in, perhaps you're ri
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