Nopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10452 times:
Since this is off the Etrade site, the link will not work for the source. But it seems United may offer an even cheaper fare for customers who don't care about seat assignments/mileage points.
United Air Looks At 'Bare Fare' For Low-Cost Customers
Dec 12, 2006 11:42:00 (ET)
CHICAGO (Dow Jones)--United Airlines, a unit of UAL Corp. (UAUA), believes that "there's clearly a commodity customer who wants basic transportation at a basic price," said Gregory Taylor, senior vice president of planning.
United is thinking of offering a "bare fare," which wouldn't include assigned seats or mileage points, said Taylor, speaking at the carrier's investor day on Tuesday.
"We need to have the low fare" to compete with low-cost airlines, he said
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10361 times:
Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 1): Here I was thinking that UA was going to offer a discounted fare for flying nude. You know every little bit of weight counts for better fuel consumption
While I wouldn't ever fly nude (or even promote it), I fly 1/2 the time without any luggage (and I'm only 160 lbs), maybe AA should give me a rebate 1/2 time I fly..after all, I'm saving them a lot of fuel...
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10266 times:
I think a bare fare would be a good idea:
-No assigned seat
-No luggage to check (add $25 for each bag?)
But, then the marketing people would gripe a bit because the airlines effectively do this with some of the blind-bid services (minus the luggage) and don't want to undercut themselves even more - much less 'blur the products'.
Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10224 times:
1) Please let United stick to its high standards (and not lower them any more)
2) fares are already low. It costs less to fly across the country than in did 25 years ago.
3) What would distinguish United? No miles. No upgrades. No E+. Channel nine?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17546 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10095 times:
Quoting Nopeotone (Thread starter): United is thinking of offering a "bare fare," which wouldn't include assigned seats or mileage points, said Taylor, speaking at the carrier's investor day on Tuesday.
This is what Ted should have been all along. It should have been a bargain bin fare (like Tango fares at Air Canada....the similarities are NOT a coincidence), instead of the bloody retarded airline within an airline.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10062 times:
The problem with this idea is that it creates more work on the back-end. Day of flight, UA computers and gate agents are going to have to start figuring out where to put people. And you know you're going to have couples and families of three to six people who are all on a "bare fare" and who all want to sit together. This is all going to take time as well as take time away from assisting other customers (standbys, upgraders waiting to clear, etc.).
Add to the fact UA usually has, at best, two people working the counter on narrowbodies and three on widebodies, when one of them leaves to go start the boarding process, the agent lines will back-up even more.
Plus, with UA filling the back with fares that allow one to pick a seat but being bought by people who are not UA elites (and therefore cannot reserve Economy Plus) means that these "bare fare" folks are going to get parked up front and for paying the minimum price, will enjoy extra pitch. And then when it comes time to asking elites to move from their pre-chosen seats and shuffle around the E+ cabin to accommodate large "bare fare" groups is just going to honk them off.
Xkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9884 times:
They are following the Air Canada lead. That is what AC does. You have several options for your fare starting at the "bare" fare and adding perks with a price. That is why AC dropped the lowest fares from the agency's dristribution system (SaBRe, Worldspan, etc) because those system are not able to sell the different options now offered by AC's fares.
I think it was smart for AC to do this. It is the best way to compete with the LCCs. Look at AA now for example. They don't know what they are anymore. The biggest airline in the world trying to catch all the premium business travelers but are selling food (and now drinks) on board. Instead, they could offer this type of bare fare for those that demand without miles, seat assignment ect, while adding economy plus with complimentary meals at a higher fare. TED is a joke. they should go get rid of it and go with this system of lowerfares.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9884 times:
But UA HAS tried to be all things to all people for a long time.
AC has had "bare fares" for some time. I'd be interested in how they have worked up there.
I don't think it makes much sense unless you clearly differentiate the product... and Ted should have been the place to have a differentiated product and there isn't much.
Bare fares are much more complicated when you run a network and intermingle "bare fares" with other types of passengers.
But the real downside is that there will be carriers that will match UA's "bare fares" but offer a quality product. UA has to promote its "bare fare" while other carriers sell a higher quality product at the same price leve.
Surely, UA knows this has been tried before and hasn't worked.
Daron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9774 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7): And you know you're going to have couples and families of three to six people who are all on a "bare fare" and who all want to sit together. This is all going to take time as well as take time away from assisting other customers (standbys, upgraders waiting to clear, etc.).
Except if the product was implemented, UA would just be like, deal with it, this is the fare you bought. It's not as big of a deal if you know what you're getting into.
I agree. And one more thing about AC's tango fares: in my opinion, their web site makes it very clear what the limitations of each fare that's shown are (each fare is tagged appropriately and with one click you get to a clear fare comparison table). I think this is key; if you mix the different fares and not make it clear what each of them means, you will only piss off customers when you don't give them, say, the miles they expected they'd get.
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AirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9635 times:
Quoting SNATH (Reply 14): I agree. And one more thing about AC's tango fares: in my opinion, their web site makes it very clear what the limitations of each fare that's shown are (each fare is tagged appropriately and with one click you get to a clear fare comparison table). I think this is key; if you mix the different fares and not make it clear what each of them means, you will only piss off customers when you don't give them, say, the miles they expected they'd get.
I highly agree. If UA decides to do this they need to make ALL fares transparent as AC does.
KstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9522 times:
Theres some good things and some bad things about this. The good thing is that prices will be lower for the coustomer, but, this could bring down the United image with their standards for frequent fliers. I dont know about you, but I think the way United and their pricing is right now should stay.
Nopeotone From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9376 times:
I could see this working if they offered maybe the last 3-4 rows of the plane at these 'bare fares'. Then if people would like seat changes for families, it is feasible. Also, quoting Mariner on what Ted is for, I'm not sure anyone knows. United has said it is profitable. But that is where these 'Bare Fares' should end up, if they want to keep Ted.
Actually....what's Ted's purpose now and beyond 2006? This whole idea makes Ted look like a joke. Come to think of it, when you fly on Ted, you are still on UA no matter what. Nothing really has changed except for the livery on the aircraft. The FA uniforms is the same as mainline. I think the intentions were good, but the question remains as far as long term effects and now UA comes up with this 'Bare Fare' idea. IMO, you can't have this both ways.
If you have a flight that has both 'Bare Fare' seats and normal fare seats, thats not very fair to the frequent flyer... If they are gonna do this, the flight should be 100% 'Bare', if you will.... Like I said, you cannot have it both ways. It favors UA than the customer.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 13): Except if the product was implemented, UA would just be like, deal with it, this is the fare you bought. It's not as big of a deal if you know what you're getting into.
The whole point of such a fare would be to encourage people to fly UA because it is cheap. To then tell those people to go stuff themselves does just the opposite - plus generally has them telling their friends (and anyone else who would listen) to not fly UA, either.
: I agree, but I think Ted will be around, in some form, as long as Mr. Tilton is CEO. Ted was his first major decison at United, and to can Ted now mi
: I think this is a bad idea. It might in the short term acquire more sales of tourists/vacation fliers, but in the long run, United needs to think how
: Negative impact: For corporations that insist on their employees using the lowest possible fare (or have computer systems that only book that way), yo
: Lets see, UA went from upwards of 30-40 flights per day in PHX to ORD, DEN, SFO, LAX, and IAD a few years ago to what, less than 20 now? Shuttle used
: AC will tell you that its system reduces cost. Keys include forcing all passenger and travel agents to book over the Internet, automating all aspects
: Let's see, Ted has been around for how long? and they still haven't accomplished a thing. United hasn't even opened up new routes for Ted since its st
: I think that if they had these "Bare Fares" they would not allow seat changes and would not allow children to use them. Those passengers would the be
: I have another question, UA spent a long time in Chpt. 11 so long in fact that the laws had to be changed. They supposedly emerged leaner and meaner,
: Right. IMO you cannot offer these kind of fares without changing the whole pricing structure - something which should be done to all the legacies any
: While I agree, that was only a short-term solution at the time it was started up. The intentions were good, yes....but UA didnt think long-term. Beat
: All flights out of PHX are on Ted except for flights to LAX and IAD.
: It's ironic but the brains behind the AC revenue model is ex-UA executive Montie Brewer, who is AC's CEO now. The key, he would tell you, is that the
: Flights to LAX are on UAExpress, correct? Flights to IAD is 'mainline', correct?
: What a stupid idea....UA already oversells the back of the planes like the it's a trend, and they offer more free tickets than I have ever seen, and o
: Maybe the time has come for airlines to go to a three-class operation for domestic flying. The front cabin would be traditional first. The middle cabi
: Yes, All flights to LAX are operated by United Express (6 Daily), and IAD flights are mainline (1 Daily).