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Flashback: AA At DTW In 1977  
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

I know many of you are interested in what DTW was like in the "old days". So, here's AA's schedule from DTW (departures only), from their September, 1977 timetable. I've also included AA's 707 Freighter flights, even though they were in a separate section of the timetable. Enjoy!

Departure Time Equipment Destinations
7:00 727 LGA
7:10 707 F JFK
7:55 727 BOS
8:00 727 IND DFW PHX
8:00 DC-10 ORD SAN
8:25 727 STL SAT
9:00 727 LGA
9:00 707 ORD MEX
9:30 707 LAX
9:45 DC-10 SFO
10:00 727 LGA
10:20 727 ORD DFW ELP
11:00 DC-10 ORD PHX
11:20 707 BOS
12:00 727 LGA
12:50 707 F ORD
13:00 727 LGA BOS
13:20 727 SYR
13:50 727 ORD
14:00 727 LGA
15:15 707 F DFW
15:45 727 DFW TUS PSP
16:00 727 LGA
16:05 727 ORD
16:35 727 STL SAT
16:50 727 BOS
17:00 727 LGA
17:00 707 ORD SFO
17:30 DC-10 LAX
18:00 727 LGA
19:00 727 LGA
19:20 727 ROC
19:45 DC-10 BUF
20:00 727 SYR
20:29 727 ORD STL
21:00 DC-10 ORD LAX
22:05 727 IND DFW SFO

A total of 34 daily passenger flights and 3 freighters (6x DC-10, 4x 707, 3x 707 F, 24x 727) to 12 airports (10x LGA, 9x ORD + 1 Freighter, 3x BOS, 2x SYR, IND, STL, LAX, 1x ROC, BUF, SFO, 1x DFW + 1 Freighter, and 1x Freighter to JFK).

The 2x flights to STL were the newest AA flights out of DTW; they were awarded in the same route case that gave Ozark authority to serve DTW (from Peoria), and had been added in the Spring of 1977.


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User currently offlineWerkur767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

It was great times, there was magic times of flying, more security and the inboard service was better from today.

Thanks for the timetable, noted!

Werner from GRU.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Thread starter):
I know many of you are interested in what DTW was like in the "old days". So, here's AA's schedule from DTW (departures only), from their September, 1977 timetable. I've also included AA's 707 Freighter flights, even though they were in a separate section of the timetable. Enjoy!

DTW was one of AA's larger stations during regulation. 34 flights a day is rather large at that time. That presence remained until about 9/11. They had mechanics there, as well as a large Admiral's Club, just above the AA ticket counter. The DTW-LGA route was the best-known of AA's DTW station. When PeoplExpress and New York Air started EWR-DTW and LGA-DTW respectively, Crandall and AA's planning people had a serious  hissyfit  over the perception of "their" lost route. In fact, at gate B8 at DTW, there is a quilt celebrating AA's 50th anniversary in 1976. I've been meaning to get to DTW and see this quilt myself. A great piece of AA memoribilia and history where you wouldn't expect it.



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User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

AA was a lot bigger in DTW in the late 60' and early 70's.

12/1/1969 64 daily departures

9/13/71 57 daily departures

Those don't include the freighters..

All through the mid 70's the daily departures started to decline, however a lot more bigger planes were used such as the 747-123's and DC-10's.

DTW saw a lot of the BAC-111-400's during the 60's and early 70's.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

American Airlines, Detroit, July 1, 1973:

59 weekday nonstop flights

ALB 1x ---1x 727
BOS 4x ---3x 707, 1x D10
BUF 4x ---2x 727 1x 707 1x D10
ORD 16x ---1x 747 2x D10 6x 707 7x 727
DAL 2x ---1x 707 1x 727
BDL 2x ---1x 707, 1x 727
IND 3x ---3x 707
LAX 4x ---1x 747, 1x D10, 2x 707
EWR 2x ---2x 707
LGA 14x ---14x 727
JFK 1x ---1x 707
ROC 3x ---2x 707, 1x 727
SFO 2x ---1x D10, 1x 707
SYR 1x ---1x D10

Jim

[Edited 2006-12-13 02:48:40]


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Yep, AA was very big in DTW back in the day, and many of the AA employees from the hey-day have only just retired in the last few years. Hence why the carry-over with the Admiral's Club, and AA had a loyal business following in DTW, although many of those million+ milers (a big feat back in the 70's) have long since retired too.

At least AA is up slightly from where they were just a year or two ago. AA has brought the 757 back to DTW now after over a 10-year absence. There is a 757 on one of the ORD flights, and soon to be on the morning MIA flight beginning next week.

Wish list and always slightly rumored: STL & BOS, but both already have competition. BOS almost happened pre-9/11. STL is always rumored to be up next, as at the top of the short list if AA ever added a destination back to STL.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Wish list and always slightly rumored: STL & BOS, but both already have competition. BOS almost happened pre-9/11. STL is always rumored to be up next, as at the top of the short list if AA ever added a destination back to STL.

It would be nice to get STL back, even if it's only with an ERJ.

Detroit-St. Louis was served by the American Airlines "family" from the 1930s until AA dropped the route in 2003. TWA predecessor Marquette Airlines (acquired by TWA in 1940) first flew the route in the early 1930s, and it was flown continuously by TWA until the AA takeover.

As mentioned in my earlier posting, AA added DTW-STL in 1977, but dropped it in 1982/83 when AA pulled down their STL hub to focus on ORD and DFW. When AA dropped DTW-STL, Ozark moved their DTW-PIA route to STL.

Not until the mid 1980's, when Republic added DTW-STL, did a non "AA Family" airline fly the route.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3452 times:
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Quoting WA707atMSP (Thread starter):
19:45 DC-10 BUF

DC-10 service from DTW - BUF?  confused 


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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

How ironic that there is a chance AA's presence in Detroit might boom very soon...  Wink


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Quoting WA707atMSP (Thread starter):
19:45 DC-10 BUF

DC-10 service from DTW - BUF?


2H4

AA's DTW-BUF DC-10 originated in SFO.

In 1977, AA had two DC-10s overnighting in BUF every day; one flew BUF-ORD-LAX, and the second flew BUF-DTW-SFO.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

I remember that quilt also. I used to take the metroliner(SWM) on ZW from FWA to DTW and connect to LGA. At that time Air Wisconsin had an interline and thru fare agreement with AA.

Yes, those were the days at DTW..also good DC-8 action over at DL in those days as DL had what would now be called a focus city or tiny hub with several connection opportunites from FWA and probably a few others.


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