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AA Makes $20M Investment In TransCon Aircraft  
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

AA is upgrading its Boeing 767-200 aircraft with new Business Class and First Class seats, a brighter interior, and AVOD devices in First and Business Class.

The aircraft will be primarily flown between JFK-LAX/SFO. Enhancements are expected as soon as Summer 2007.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061213/daw009.html?.v=86

[Edited 2006-12-13 06:17:32]

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User currently offlineJetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

This is great news! I'm happy to see American stepping up to the plate in their premium cabins. This will definitely give United's P.S. service a run for its money.

I love AA.  Smile

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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7200 times:
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That is a sizeable investment and I'd utilize these new cabins if that is the case.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting JetBlue (Reply 1):
This is great news! I'm happy to see American stepping up to the plate in their premium cabins. This will definitely give United's P.S. service a run for its money.

United is up and down all over them in the marketing war, and they have set the bar darn high with PS.... I just don't see AA beating the whole PS experience.



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User currently offlineGOTbound From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

A little bit of topic, any updated info on the 767-300 new C-class progress?

EK


User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

Hopefully AA will take advantage of the wide, twin-aisle cabin and do something special (unlikely considering their 763 new business). Any information on if the business class seats will be the ones they developed for the 763 and 772? Might they do a modified version of flagship suite for F?

Although the planes are older, not much older than PS 757s, plus there's more room for different configurations. If AA does it right, they'll come back on top. I know many people fly AA because of the widebodies.

Aq737


User currently offlineSylvcath From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
United is up and down all over them in the marketing war, and they have set the bar darn high with PS.... I just don't see AA beating the whole PS experience.

Never underestimate the resolve of an airline with lots to gain and lots to lose if it doesn't work out as planned  Smile

It may not beat UA's product per se, but it'll challenge it, and that's all it really needs to do. AA's "loyal elite" now have good reason to stay loyal. Now, if only I could afford to fly First/Business... if only.



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User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Why did AA remove C class from their LA to MIA sectors.

User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Nothing in coach? No changes? At least maybe the restoration of free inflight warm meals on this oh so important route? Does AA not realize how many FF are in coach with major high profile firms that are just shy of a few miles to upgrade to Biz and F class?

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3876 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7081 times:
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That's nice to hear. It means that the 767-200's may have the new 777 style interiors like the newest 300's have. They'll look a lot younger than they are.
If they plan on investing in upgrading the interiors, it means that the 767-200's will remain in the fleet for years to come. It'll be a real pleasure to fly on those. I flew on one about a month ago from JFK to LAX, I was in C Class, it had the new seats but still the old walls surrounding the windows. The F Class cabin still has the old brown seats.
Delta and United already phased them out but American is keeping them a lot longer.

Ben Soriano
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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Now all AA needs to do is focus on its service aspect and upgrade that. Then baggage handling.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 7):
Why did AA remove C class from their LA to MIA sectors.

AA is still offering a 3-class product on the daily B772 roundtrip on the MIA-LAX-MIA route. All other flights, operated with B763, B752 and B738 equipment have a 2-class cabin layout.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 7):
Why did AA remove C class from their LA to MIA sectors.

They removed 3-class service from the majority of their planes, which mean that the Miami, Boston, and other trans-con routes lost 3-class service as well. However, AA still offers their 3-class Flagship service on the morning MIA-LAX departure and the afternoon LAX-MIA departure. Only one of the seven daily flights has 3-class service, but it is one of only three domestic AA routes with three-class service.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6863 times:
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AA is doing the right thing to match UA's PS service. Having an "International Flight" from coast to coast is the right way to go. I just wish AA would replace the 762 which are its original 767's.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6746 times:

Excellent news and long overdue. I was on one of the 762's this past weekend and the premium cabin(s) sure could use the face lift.

I guess this is also indication that AA isn't in a rush to replace them either.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 8):
Nothing in coach? No changes? At least maybe the restoration of free inflight warm meals on this oh so important route? Does AA not realize how many FF are in coach with major high profile firms that are just shy of a few miles to upgrade to Biz and F class?

UA recently discontinued the free meals, so AA is in the running in terms of Y service.


User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

The only difference in Y between them is Economy Plus. It's great to hear AA finally raising their standards to p.s., those 762s are real workhorses.


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

They just one upped United by offering lounge access to J class passengers and access to the First Class lounge to F passengers.

This after United discontinues complimentary meals in Y this puts them about even.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6128 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17):
They just one upped United by offering lounge access to J class passengers and access to the First Class lounge to F passengers.

UA allows First Class p.s. customers to use their International First Class Lounges at LAX, JFK, and SFO (though you have to bluff your way past Concourse G security).


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
t means that the 767-200's may have the new 777 style interiors like the newest 300's have.

Nah... there's not really a signature refit. There are some similar refit packages available but they won't be exactly the same.

NS


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Now, if AA would upgrade the first class cabins on the 757s. The cabins on the 737-800s and MD-80s are newer and more comfortable seats.

Considering that the 757s are working their way back into business routes, such as ORD-LAX, rather than only leisure routes, one would think AA would try to pamper the road warriors that upgrade to first.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

AA sure needs this...anyone have any pictures?

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 20):
Now, if AA would upgrade the first class cabins on the 757s. The cabins on the 737-800s and MD-80s are newer and more comfortable seats.

Considering that the 757s are working their way back into business routes, such as ORD-LAX, rather than only leisure routes, one would think AA would try to pamper the road warriors that upgrade to first.

I want to say that the 757 F class upgrade would be next. With AA moving forward on spending $20MM on their 762's, it appears they aren't going to be replacing them soon. Same with the 757's - they will be around for awhile. I would like to think at least the F class cabins would get an overhaul....new seats, new AVOD perhaps, etc. if they are serious about attracting premium traffic systemwide.

I don't see them considering any upgrades on the premuim cabins for the 738's and MD80's though.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

At the end of the day the aircraft is a widebody. I'd fly it any day over UA's PS Service. And, personally, their PS Service should be standard on such routes so its nice to see someone else step up to the plate.

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User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 23):
I'd fly it any day over UA's PS Service

Is this because you prefer widebodies? What specifically makes you choose AA on this route?



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25 RoseFlyer : I'm just really impressed that they are updating the cabins on planes that are so old. The planes were delivered between 1985 and 1987, so they are ab
26 TrijetsRMissed : That's for sure! And now that AA doesn't even provide pillows it only makes it worse. I figured these would be the next aircraft to be removed from t
27 777fan : Man, I had started a thread on this yesterday but it's gone for some reason. Aint no love for 777fan!
28 MCOflyer : Finally. Glad to hear this happening. Now I wonder if they'll install PTV's in economy. MCOflyer
29 ElmoTheHobo : Yup, but J class passengers do not have lounge access, therefore AA one upped United in that sense, and brought their F class offering up to UA's lev
30 Jjeff : ... Been on p.s. lately? They're working the 757s so hard that the cabins are starting to show it. I did UA33 JFK-LAX in business on Monday and - lost
31 ContinentalEWR : The $20M investment does not give them the one thing they need the most on what will become a sub fleet type: fuel efficiency. These planes are gettin
32 Willyj : But I just talked to a contact at the airline and the lounge access doesn't begin until this summer... why wouldn't they start allowing access immedi
33 Scottieprecord : If AA is updating their 762s, does this show that they don't plan on ordering the 787 anytime soon? Or was no one really expecting them to in the firs
34 Ckfred : Remember that the 738s were delivered with the updated cabins, both first and coach, and the MD-80s received the same cabins in the late 90s. Both ha
35 LimaNiner : Amen to that! I hate taking the SFO-MIA "slaveship", but it's one of my very few options...
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : There isn't anything significantly better. The 763 would be overkill for a 3-class product on this route. This is a niche aircraft. Plus the 762's ar
37 Flamant15 : I would love to see them add winglets with Boeing and increase the efficiency of the aircraft. If you saw the piece on TV a couple of weeks ago then y
38 Elmothehobo : That was one off, the JFK-SFO/LAX routes are very profitable. Hahaha, right after they buy A380s to fly to Heathrow. The A300s are perfect for JFK-MI
39 American762 : I am very happy that AA is finally going to do something. I will be travelling in the F cabin this April and the J cabin in June. Hopefully I will get
40 Jacobin777 : In fact, AA is the top carrier on the JFk-LAX/SFO routes......
41 Cmk10 : This year I cashed in 15,000 miles to upgrade to Business on p.s. to see what was so amazing about it. What I found was a really awful selection of DV
42 UAL777UK : Well all I can say is that having flown F on UA from JFK to LAX/SFO, I would have to be enticed by a serious product upgrade to even consider flying A
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