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Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers  
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1652 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

I read the paper this morning and there was an interesting article about how Lansing should look at other carriers and destinations. The one I found most interesting was F9 to DEN.

Heres a Link:

Airport hopes to get 80% of flyers in area


Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

The problem that LAN and other MI airports have is DTW, as if you are flying NW you can make the less then 2 hour drive and fly nonstop right from DTW or fly from LAN and end up connecting via DTW anyway! It is 6 of one and have a dozen of another. Though they are more aggressively seeking airlines than GRR.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

I fly from LAN occasionally when fares and my preferred carrier can't get it done from GRR. I read this article and routes to CUN and AUA seem remote, unless offerred like 3 or 4 times a year in a package program. The fact that many LAN residents drive elsewhere is surprising. Possibly to FNT for FL low recreational fares, but can't see where else they would be going (Maybe DTW for long Int'l routes).

I like LAN and think it is a well managed airport. However, I don't think it's fares and services are very skewed for the market.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

Lansing NW is now the "B team", B as in su-B-stitutes, and FNT and GRR still have the NW folks.
Lansing does have some non-stop service to LAS and Orlando but so does FNT.

Lansing needs something because it seems to go downhill. You can see all Michigan station boardings on Michigan's MDOT site...aviation section.

As you can see by reviewing that site, Lansing looks to be going south and I don't mean Florida.
safe



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

From looking at the statistics of total passengers though, LAN is in a comfortable 4th behind the obvious DTW, GRR, FNT crowd. I would love to see out to IAD or DCA because NW matched FlyI and once FlyI left, they dropped it.

I would also like to see a F9 service, it would be interesting, especially with their recent a/c order.

I do like how G4 has come in and has 3 destinations now, it provides more opprotunity for local travelers. I love LAN because I live so close and it doesn't have a problem with security wait times. The only bad thing is it has high fares and not many choices. My top choice would be to bring service to IAD and maybe F9 out to Denver.

I am flying G4 in a couple months and can't wait. Do they have their own Ticket Counter yet? I know in the past, they have shared the space with DL Connection, but now with them starting a 3rd destination I think they might have moved, but am not sure.

Having thought about it more, I think one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem LAN has is its' proximaty to GRR/DTW/FNT. It isn't that hard to just book FL out of FNT and drive or same with DTW. If they could bring in another carrier with more options, that would be awesome.

Sorry for the ramble



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
Lansing needs something because it seems to go downhill. You can see all Michigan station boardings on Michigan's MDOT site...aviation section.

As you can see by reviewing that site, Lansing looks to be going south and I don't mean Florida.
safe

slightly off subject... but...

I'm just jealous LAN has the UPS mini-hub for Michigan (outside of Detroit area.)

I still remember when GRR had a 727-100F chartered to/ leased to UPS in GRR back in the early 80's before UPS built the hub at LAN. Can't remember the airline name - recall it was all silver with blue markings and parked on the main terminal ramp at GRR- long before the east side freight terminals were constructed.

... oh well at least we have the FDX mini-hub here in GRR with A310's and the occasional A306.



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

With F9 operating 3x daily service to DTW, I really don't see them entering the LAN market. I suspect they'd go into GRR first, and then they'd be pulling LAN traffic from both east and west. FNT really doesn't have that much service, either, though it's lots better than what's offered @ LAN. And I think the overall location and terminal facility @ FNT is excellent. Nestled right between two interstates and Rte 23, and the recently expanded terminal building. Also, GRR's fairly new east exit off of I-96 couldn't have made the LAN folks very happy when it opened for us. That just made it even easier to choose GRR.

DTW is a beast, though, and also has the advantage of offering low-cost service by NK, FL, WN, and F9. Those carriers offer a combined 70 daily departures from DTW. And then there are all of the n/s destinations offered by NW, both domestic and international. That's hard to beat, and the airport's location on the outskirts of town only makes it an easier choice for the LAN traveler. Although it is on the southwest side, you don't have to travel through the majority of the metro area to get to DTW from LAN.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university

Do the students there take advantage of Capital City Airport?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country),

Not to mention its the state capital. Remember passing thru LAN on Norh Central in 1974 on a diverison from MQT, and at that time LAN had UA DC-8 service to ORD.


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

GRR draws from the greater metropolitan Grand Rapids area with a population somewhere around one million residents.

FNT also draws from a large population base; areas which include the northern metropolitan Detroit communities like Pontiac, Auburn Hills, etc.

I once lived in the suburban Lansing area - Lansing has little to offer other than MSU. Now Grand Rapids and the nearby lakeshore...... a whole 'nuther story.



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User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4052 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

It is so big with many instate students. When I went there many of my friends (that weren't instate) would drive to DTW because a hour and a half isn't that far to drive for a cheap flight. There would also be kids who would rent a car and drive to Chicago to catch a flight. Remember these are college kids. Cheap is their middle name. Not the niche market segment for the airline.

And like most other college towns...the students and the city of East Lansing don't get along and Lansing, like mentioned, offers nothing for students besides a Deja Vu. The students fund E.L. for 9 months of the year and leave via cars.


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 11):
When I went there many of my friends (that weren't instate) would drive to DTW because a hour and a half isn't that far to drive for a cheap flight.

lol...i go to purdue and i gotta catch a bus to take me to indianapolis airport (1hr drive) so i can go to dtw.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

I could be wrong, but vs. University of Michigan I think the percentage of out of staters attending MSU is much lower, while most of MSU students are already from Michigan.

Second of all, college students probably cannot afford to pay the fares out of LAN and will travel to DTW to save a couple hundred $.

I am not sure how much out of state travel is required for people working at the State capitol. The Michigan government has a lot of their own aircraft for its employees to travel on if they need to go out of state.

If I am not mistaken, Lansing is about the 6th or 7th largest city in Michigan following Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor and I believe even Warren. If I am not mistaken its population is barely over 100,000.

Also - LAN was built on the wrong side of town for a good capture area. Had it been built on the southeast side of town between Lansing/East Lansing and perhaps Webberville, there would be a good capture area of Livingston County - Brighton, Howell - which use DTW and FNT currently. You might even be able to grab people from South Lyon and Milford area had LAN been built in a different location.

Although LAN does occassionally grab people from the Grand Rapids area. My uncle lives in Rockford MI, which is 10 miles north of Grand Rapids up 131. He used LAN to fly Allegiant to LAS.


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
You might even be able to grab people from South Lyon and Milford area

an overstatement at the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

Yeah and in Jackson, Michigan about 45 min south of Lansing, they have advertisement to "Fly Delta out of the Capital City!". Talk about poor advertisement for your single flight.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

Well it is not to far from DTW. This might not be a good example but U of M in Ann Arbor does not have flight service eather out of there. Mainly to DTW being only 30 to 40 min outside of the city. But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 8):
Do the students there take advantage of Capital City Airport?

No they do not. Many of the students travel to DTW, FNT, and ORD. Fares out of these airports of course are cheaper then out of LAN. It is not a far trip to drive to MDW to fly with WN to possibly your non stop destination. As mentioned before as well, many of the students in East Lansing are from the Lansing area for college or not to far away in Michigan. I know that when I fly into Michigan I use DTW every single time even though LAN is closer. For one reason, HP flys into DTW and not LAN, fares are dirt cheap compaired to LAN, and I like the drive from Detroit to Jackson  Smile



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 14):
an overstatement at the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you read the whole section - had LAN been built on the southeast side of town such as around I-96 and the exit for Mason(?) it could have been in the capture area for Livingston County - which is growing fast since everyone is trying to move as far away from Detroit as possible. I also think western Oakland would use LAN as an option had LAN been built where I said. However LAN was built long ago to be a Lansing Airport... they didn't think that people from other areas of the state would use it. Back then Battle Creek and Jackson had commercial service too.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
Yeah and in Jackson, Michigan about 45 min south of Lansing, they have advertisement to "Fly Delta out of the Capital City!". Talk about poor advertisement for your single flight.

I saw that sign in Battle Creek too a couple weeks ago and was wondering about that.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
This might not be a good example but U of M in Ann Arbor does not have flight service eather out of there. Mainly to DTW being only 30 to 40 min outside of the city. But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

DTW is more like 15 minutes away, besides ARB has what? a 3000 foot runway? and YIP doesn't have any passenger facilities anymore. DTW is closer to U of M, than most other Detroit area communities.

Like I mentioned, college students want to fly where it is cheapest. Most did that while attending Embry Riddle like I did. Riddle is right on Daytona Beach Airport property and has direct flights to ATL, EWR and IAD, as well as seasonal direct to CLE and ORD. However for me to get to DTW from DAB it would cost me $500 round trip and I would have to connect at one of the above mentioned airports. Instead I would drive an hour to MCO, where I now have a choice of FOUR direct flights to DTW (WN, NK, FL and NW). More often than not I can get a round trip ticket for $200.

I assume LAN is similar in that case, with flights being far more expensive with connections.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
It is not a far trip to drive to MDW to fly with WN to possibly your non stop destination.

Ummm... you are talking college students right? How many of them have their own cars at school? How many of them can get their friends who have a car to drive them to Inner city Chicago? That is a 4 hour drive to MDW at the least.

It would make more sense to fly WN from DTW-MDW and connect.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
Although LAN does occassionally grab people from the Grand Rapids area. My uncle lives in Rockford MI, which is 10 miles north of Grand Rapids up 131. He used LAN to fly Allegiant to LAS.

Actually 2 of the biggest travel agency producers for G4 are both in GRR and that is also where there customers are. So yes LAN does draw from GRR.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

To add to LAN misery, there is bus service starting from MSU and DTW with I think the bus company is Indian Trails(Michigan folks know they have state-of-the-art equipment). LAN airport board isn't too happy about that.
safe



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
there is bus service starting

Its called Michigan Flyer

Michigan Flyer



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Ummm... you are talking college students right? How many of them have their own cars at school? How many of them can get their friends who have a car to drive them to Inner city Chicago? That is a 4 hour drive to MDW at the least.

Yes I am college students. A lot actually do have their own cars at school. And a lot of friends are actually willing to drive lets say a full car load of people to MDW for a gas cost of course. People are generous you know. Good hearts are out there. If you fly out of DTW you only have a few WN flights to choose from.

Do you think that when ATA moved out of LAN that it made a bigger impact on the travel there? If they still fly there then correct me.

Kyle



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
Do you think that when ATA moved out of LAN that it made a bigger impact on the travel there? If they still fly there then correct me.

It did impact fares....The LAN-MDW fare RT was around 120-140 bucks without Sat nite stay...Check it now with NW and check the LAN-ORD with UAEX...
surprise-surprise
safe



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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

are u kiddin me????? i know us college students have tonns of breaks (Espically from sept - jan) where the only sensible way to get home (for such a short time) is flying.......

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
To add to LAN misery, there is bus service starting from MSU and DTW

im not surprised here are lafayette we have service to ind every 2 hrs. 365 days a year..



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 22):
are u kiddin me????? i know us college students have tonns of breaks (Espically from sept - jan) where the only sensible way to get home (for such a short time) is flying.......

Oh I am a college student as well from Michigan and have many breaks but just because there is a college in the town does not mean they will have good air service. This is what I was trying to make my point at. Sorry if it came off differently.



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

The money ran low for DL, so they dropped a flight.


Bob Selig and Nicole Noll are very sharp and prepared to court an airline.
Bob was very successful at LCK.


25 Isitsafenow : I know...I did a little homework on my own. The LAN airport board isn't as strong as it was four or five years ago. My comeback to your statement is
26 FATFlyer : It is not an equipment problem but rather a demand problem. Not enough travellers to Allegiant destinations from LAN to justify going daily on the ro
27 JetBlueGuy2006 : Just so everyone knows, G4 started LAN-PIE service today
28 NASCARAirforce : I guess if the person driving is flying out too, otherwise I can't see someone driving 4+ hours there and 4+ hours back to Lansing. But then again, w
29 JetBlueGuy2006 : Any Idea which one? Maybe a US Airways or on a slim-to-none B6 type w/ E-190 sized planes?
30 WMUPilot : The problem with GRR is the rent for terminal, counter, operations, and gate space is outragious. I believe B6 was primed to start service to GRR (we
31 Jkarp2112 : I completely agree with WMUPilot, GRR needs to drop the costs and get an LCC in there. How about Southwest? they could clean up especially the Florida
32 NASCARAirforce : Never would happen. I used to ask about the same thing when I worked at DAB as to why Southwest doesn't go there. Southwest when they build up somewh
33 Tjwgrr : I think if any LCC starts service to GRR it will be AirTran. They've shown they can go head to head with NWA in FNT and DTW so they aren't afraid of t
34 Neilalp : No you are right, no friend would do it roundtrip. But besides freshman most at MSU have cars or have a really close friend who has one. The drive is
35 NASCARAirforce : Still would make more sense just to drive to DTW though and fly to MDW and connect. The way MSU been playing the last few years it is worth it to go
36 Neilalp : I was able to come up with these facts: MSU: In State-37,266 Out of State-4,621 Other Countries-3,597 TOTAL-45,520 U of M: In State-26683 Out of Stat
37 NASCARAirforce : Yeah I am not sure that it is a big enough market for a significant increase in airlines at LAN. You also wonder how many of the students are just fr
38 JetBlueGuy2006 : So what do you think the airlines they are going to court? My thoughts are: 1. Continental (CLE) 2. US Airways (CLT) 3. Frontier (DEN) -- Once they ge
39 JetBlueGuy2006 : I was poking around the net and really got to wonder if US Airways could start service to the tune of possibly 2/day to CLT and 1/day to PHL? Any thou
40 WMUPilot : If US couldn't hold any flights in GRR I don't see them starting LAN.
41 Post contains links Neilalp : Of the 4621 out of state at MSU 1,717 are from the Great Lakes. 907 Mid Atlantic, 218 New England, 266 Plains, 583 South East, 325 South West, 142 Ro
42 NASCARAirforce : What is the market to fly 2/day to CLT or 1 a day to PHL? We couldn't keep flights between DAB and CLT, after US Airways Express pulled out in the 19
43 JetBlueGuy2006 : Maybe a 1 time day to PHL and CLT, not overload, but it gives more options to LAN travellers
44 Tjwgrr : If LAN wants new service from a mainline carrier or a large LCC, they'll have to "pay" for it like they did for DL with LAN-ATL service...... a financ
45 NASCARAirforce : That is what DAB to get Continental back and to attract United Express. Not sure what the policy with Continental was, but United Express at DAB get
46 JetBlueGuy2006 : Thank you all for your input, it was very insightful
47 Luv2fly : Myself I do not see CO starting up service from LAN anytime soon as they can and do code share with both DL and NW on the flights out of LAN.
48 NASCARAirforce : If they did it would only be a Beech 1900 on Continental Connection to CLE, but still it would be easier to route the passengers on a DC-9 to NW, giv
49 Isitsafenow : Why dont you go to the next airport board meeting and ask them? At the opening of every public meeting, they let the public come to the mike and comm
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