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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Hey all Finns and non-Finns, how about a discussion on Finnish aviation?  Smile
Any views on these and other subjects would be very welcomed:

- What's the next Asian destination for Finnair? ICN? CTS? MAA? Announcement for winter season 2007-08 could be very close.

- What's the next Ryanair destination in Finland? OUL perhaps?

- Will we ever get a non-European carrier to HEL? TG, did you forget us?

- Xmas charters to RVN, KTT, IVL, ENF (Enontekiö), KAO (Kuusamo) etc. Who? From where? Have you done it yourself?

- HEL non-Schengen expansion in 2009 and a possible new terminal after that


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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
Hey all Finns and non-Finns, how about a discussion on Finnish aviation? Smile
Any views on these and other subjects would be very welcomed:

- What's the next Asian destination for Finnair? ICN? CTS? MAA? Announcement for winter season 2007-08 could be very close.

No news about this..They keep this information so well hidden until it's time to tell..There are no rumours even at the moment among the staff what could be the new destination.

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- What's the next Ryanair destination in Finland? OUL perhaps?

If they start a domestic route, most propably it would be to OUL. But TMP-OUL, would it be profitable..? I think an international destination is more propable.

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- Will we ever get a non-European carrier to HEL? TG, did you forget us?

That's what Finnair CEO is saying, that it's just a question of time when someone comes to compete with Finnair Asian network.
In the past we had at least Delta flying to HEL, with L-1011. I don't know where from, some old colleaques just told me this. And Pan Am from Frankfurt hub with B727.
ELAL also used to fly, first with B767, then B757. Air China has been planning to start flights to HEL as long as Finnair has been flying to PEK (since 1988, 1st western European airline to fly to PEK). It was then agreed when Finnair was granted the permission to fly there, that in return Air China would also start flights to the Finnish capital. Still waiting... =)
One at least will come, sooner or later.

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- HEL non-Schengen expansion in 2009 and a possible new terminal after that


On the wall of an office belonging to Civil Aviation Authorities at HEL airport there was a map of the airport with future plans. It illustrated a terminal in between of the two runways. This new non-schengen terminal was not included. Has the plans changed or what, i do not know.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12391 times:

Quoting AY" class=quote target=_blank>OkAY (Reply 1):
If they start a domestic route, most propably it would be to OUL. But TMP-OUL, would it be profitable..? I think an international destination is more propable.

I didn't mean a new destination from TMP but a flight from another (foreign) FR hub to OUL or some other city in Finland. Like STN-OUL, which would be super.

Quoting AY" class=quote target=_blank>OkAY (Reply 1):
That's what Finnair CEO is saying, that it's just a question of time when someone comes to compete with Finnair Asian network.

All European and Middle-Eastern airlines flying to Asia are already competing with AY. They don't have to fly to HEL to compete on the Europe-XXX-Asia flights. But BKK would be one of the only destination that could fill up a plane with Finns without connectoins from other European cities (which AY needs, of course).

Quoting AY" class=quote target=_blank>OkAY (Reply 1):
It illustrated a terminal in between of the two runways. This new non-schengen terminal was not included. Has the plans changed or what, i do not know.

Not new non-Schenger terminal but expansion of the current one - the one that they are already building: http://www.helsinki-vantaa.fi/hel_pressrelease?id=65917

Because of the construction work, gate 33 is now a super-long temporary jetbridge:

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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12383 times:

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I didn't mean a new destination from TMP but a flight from another (foreign) FR hub to OUL or some other city in Finland. Like STN-OUL, which would be super.

ah okay, well in this case OUL would be the most propable destination

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All European and Middle-Eastern airlines flying to Asia are already competing with AY. They don't have to fly to HEL to compete on the Europe-XXX-Asia flights. But BKK would be one of the only destination that could fill up a plane with Finns without connectoins from other European cities (which AY needs, of course).

I didn't mean either the European airlines nor the Middle Easter airlines, I meant the Asian ones: SIA, TG, Air China etc.

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Not new non-Schenger terminal but expansion of the current one - the one that they are already building: http://www.helsinki-vantaa.fi/hel_pr...65917

Yes that's what I meant, the expansion of the excisting one. I hadn't seen this long jet bridge at gate 33, looks funny  Smile


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12375 times:

Quoting AY" class=quote target=_blank>OkAY (Reply 3):
I didn't mean either the European airlines nor the Middle Easter airlines, I meant the Asian ones: SIA, TG, Air China etc.

Well they don't have to fly to HEL either to compete with AY on Europe-Asia...



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User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12361 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 4):
Well they don't have to fly to HEL either to compete with AY on Europe-Asia...

True. They would also need someone (European airline) to feed their long haul flights. Maybe possible within an alliance.. It makes sence in the same way as how Finnair does it.


User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12347 times:

I suppose TG has recently been the strongest candidate to start flights to HEL, perhaps as a continuation of some of their current European services. Only the problems with A380 have now postponed TG's plans..

FF



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

Personally I miss more LCCs at HEL, but it seems to be a hard market,
now only Air Berlin and Germanwings flying, Blue1 is something between.

Ryanair flies to TMP, around 2h from Helsinki.
Is HEL too expensive for the big boys like Ryanair or Easyjet? I would imagine there would be markets, with the right routes.

About the Xmas charters:
This winter Finnish Lapland is expected to get around 560 charters from the other parts of Europe, around 100 more than last year. The Santa business is getting busy there.

[Edited 2006-12-13 18:01:21]

User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12270 times:

What about the rumoured flights from Kemi/haparanda to Stockholm. KF or SK? I read that there are 6 daily flights with AY to HEL why not 1 or 2 daily flights to ARN?

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12242 times:

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 8):
What about the rumoured flights from Kemi/haparanda to Stockholm. KF or SK? I read that there are 6 daily flights with AY to HEL why not 1 or 2 daily flights to ARN?

KF would be the obvious choice. But I guess there is a small chance it would be FC (FinnComm Airlines) who has planes overnighting at KEM. They will actually take over all HEL-KEM flights with AY code-sharing on them. Now that Ikea has helped Haparanda/Tornio(Torneå)/Kemi area to grow, the flights might even work.

Quoting Andaman (Reply 7):
Is HEL too expensive for the big boys like Ryanair or Easyjet? I would imagine there would be markets, with the right routes.

Too expensive for FR at least. They only came to Finland after Finavia was able to open a low-cost terminal at TMP.

Quoting AY" class=quote target=_blank>OkAY (Reply 5):
They would also need someone (European airline) to feed their long haul flights. Maybe possible within an alliance.. It makes sence in the same way as how Finnair does it.

Well not the same but the opposite way. AY can serve the market from large Asian cities to smaller European cities with thin European connecting flights from the wide-body Asian flights. For Asian carriers it's the opposite: they can serve the market from large European cities to small Asian cities. AY is master in the former, TG and JL etc. in the latter version. (Both can, of course, serve from large European cities to large Asian cities.)

[Edited 2006-12-13 20:40:07]


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User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12222 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
- Will we ever get a non-European carrier to HEL? TG, did you forget us?

What about CO HEL-EWR? There has been a lot of rumours about that service since they already have CPH, OSL and ARN. I guess HEL would be pretty logical choice and they could even make money on that with 757. The range of course might be an issue.

DL HEL-ATL is probably just my daydream...!


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12197 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 9):

Too expensive for FR at least. They only came to Finland after Finavia was able to open a low-cost terminal at TMP.

Perhaps HEL would need a low-cost terminal, if any space there.


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12185 times:

Terve!  Wink

Good to see that the fins have started their own aviation discussion aswell. I visited your country numerous times and i love it, it's just a wonderful place with nice people, a wonderful landscape and lots of fun stuff to do. I was actually even playing with he thought of moving there one day.

So, i'll follow your discussions here with great interest and can't wait for my next trip to Finland.

Regards
Sandro  Smile


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12174 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 12):
Terve!

Good to see that the fins have started their own aviation discussion aswell. I visited your country numerous times and i love it, it's just a wonderful place with nice people, a wonderful landscape and lots of fun stuff to do. I was actually even playing with he thought of moving there one day.

So, i'll follow your discussions here with great interest and can't wait for my next trip to Finland.

Regards
Sandro

Terve Sandro  Smile

I wish you good trips to Finland! There have been some confused foreign visitors lately in Finland, most of the country strangely 'warm' and with out snow, some expected next week though. I hope Santa gets his job done properly.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Before I start a thread just to ask this question, Does any Finnish A.neter have some info on the HEL-PTY bi-weekly charters? Who's flying and who's the Finnish Touroperator having PTY as a destination this Winter?


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 14):
Before I start a thread just to ask this question, Does any Finnish A.neter have some info on the HEL-PTY bi-weekly charters? Who's flying and who's the Finnish Touroperator having PTY as a destination this Winter?

Tour Operator is Oy Aurinkomatkat-Suntours Ltd Ab, which is a member of the Finnair Group:

http://www.aurinkomatkat.fi/general/general_info.asp?id=7&subid=29

The flights are Finnair Leisure flights on charter-configured B752s.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 15):
Tour Operator is Oy Aurinkomatkat-Suntours Ltd Ab, which is a member of the Finnair Group:

http://www.aurinkomatkat.fi/general/general_info.asp?id=7&subid=29

The flights are Finnair Leisure flights on charter-configured B752s.

Kiitos (or it's Kiipis?)  Smile



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12104 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 16):
Kiitos (or it's Kiipis?)

Ole hyvä! "Kiitos" is correct.  Smile "Kippis" is what you say when you drink vodka (or something else).  Wink



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 17):
"Kippis"

In fact, "get pissed" is a nice mnemonic for Kippis.  Smile

Tony



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6389 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12073 times:

A Finnish tread - great - that's exactly what I need to have first hand answers to a few questions.

In five weeks time I am going to Kittilä (CPH - HEL - KTT and back). What a time of the year to go there! What can I expect? Minus 40 degrees C? I hate minus 40 even as much as plus 40.  Angry But at least there will be no mosquitoes.  Smile

It will of course be dark 24 hours with just a couple of hours twilight around noon. How do people survive during such conditions? My stay will be only 48 hours, and as far as I am informed it will involve little more than a sauna visit, so I will probably survive.

When the AY e-ticket arrived in my mailbox, then I noticed that the equipment was an A320!!! How come that such a big plane is needed for such a small and remote place next to the North Pole? I would have expected an ATR-42.

I heard a rumor telling that last summer the Kittilä airport terminal building burned to ashes. Is that correct? Has it been rebuilt?

I will be visiting a small place (forgot its name) some 40 miles mostly west of Kittilä, almost on the Swedish border. How are road traffic conditions normally at such places in mid January? Is there a fair chance that it will be smooth and fairly on schedule? We will be about a dozen business colleagues from various European countries and I assume that my Finnish colleagues charter a bus.

I will have one day off duty up there. Is there something interesting to look for at this crazy time of the year?

I would love to have some qualified answers to these questions, as well as any other good advise.

tiafyh (tnx in adv for ur hlp), Preben



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
Xmas charters to RVN,

Some of tomorrow's arrivals:

11:15 Dublin FCA8402
12:00 Nottingham Eastmidlands MON9010
12:30 Belfast FCA8409
12:50 Nottingham Eastmidlands FCA6578

http://www.finavia.fi/airport_rovaniemi

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 19):
In five weeks time I am going to Kittilä (CPH - HEL - KTT and back). What a time of the year to go there! What can I expect? Minus 40 degrees C? I hate minus 40 even as much as plus 40.

The airport website ( http://www.finavia.fi/airport_kittila ) is showing -2 C at 1.50 a.m.... quite warm for this time of year. So let's just wait what it will be in a few weeks.  Wink

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 19):
When the AY e-ticket arrived in my mailbox, then I noticed that the equipment was an A320!!! How come that such a big plane is needed for such a small and remote place next to the North Pole?

KTT is the main airport to serve the biggest ski resorts in Finland, that's why.  Smile

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 19):
I heard a rumor telling that last summer the Kittilä airport terminal building burned to ashes. Is that correct?

Parts of it did burn, but not all:
http://www.finavia.fi/airport_kittila?pg=news&nid=65860
The airport is running normally at the moment.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 19):
How are road traffic conditions normally at such places in mid January?

Usually, there's no need to worry. But for current information, here are the live road weather cameras in Finland:

http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/english/frames/kelikamerat-frame.html

(Click the map on the left to see the detailed map section for Lapland.)



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12062 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 17):
Ole hyvä! "Kiitos" is correct. "Kippis" is what you say when you drink vodka (or something else).

Good thing I still remember those, there're not that many finnish words one could learn in Sweden and I already know not to start talking in Swedish to a Finne.

Now something more in the likes of the thread, It would be interesting to see more AY in major cites from the former URSS, like Baku, Tblisi, Alma Ata, Tashkent, Jerevan and some other important cities in India, Japan even in TPE. Flights from HEL to those destinations in the former URSS don't need widebodies.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6389 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

Thanks a lot UpperDeck! Now I know a lot more about Kittilä and the region. And thank you so much for all those sites to find actual and detailed information. Very much appreciated!

But those -2 deg C right now doesn't tell much. At this very moment it is record breaking "hot" all over Scandinavia. Here in Denmark we will "suffer" from +12 deg C tomorrow. And for several weeks we have had an almost constant and strong wind from south-west. The sea around Denmark could have been frozen by now, instead (crazy) people go swimming in the sea every morning. Global warming or not, that won't last all winter.

Skiing resort... But has the skiing season begun already in mid January at such a northerly latitude way beyond the Polar Circle?



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12038 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 22):
Thanks a lot UpperDeck! Now I know a lot more about Kittilä and the region. And thank you so much for all those sites to find actual and detailed information. Very much appreciated!

But those -2 deg C right now doesn't tell much. At this very moment it is record breaking "hot" all over Scandinavia. Here in Denmark we will "suffer" from +12 deg C tomorrow. And for several weeks we have had an almost constant and strong wind from south-west. The sea around Denmark could have been frozen by now, instead (crazy) people go swimming in the sea every morning. Global warming or not, that won't last all winter.

Skiing resort... But has the skiing season begun already in mid January at such a northerly latitude way beyond the Polar Circle?

The skiing season can start already in October in Lapland, the high season is in Feb-March, that time Finnair has flown even with MD-11 there.

MD-11 in Kittilä:

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Both skiing business and Santa business has grown fast up there. You have to try a husky ride or snow mobiles, that's fun!



The Levi skiing resort in Kittilä:

http://www.barentsphoto.com/getfile.php/251497.921.qyteeyaeyw/Levi%20ski%20resort.jpg

Please let us now how the trip was, you could write a report  Smile


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):

Good thing I still remember those, there're not that many finnish words one could learn in Sweden and I already know not to start talking in Swedish to a Finne.

Now something more in the likes of the thread, It would be interesting to see more AY in major cites from the former URSS, like Baku, Tblisi, Alma Ata, Tashkent, Jerevan and some other important cities in India, Japan even in TPE. Flights from HEL to those destinations in the former URSS don't need widebodies.

Well, Swedish is the second official language in Finland and the first language for a part of Finns so you can always try to talk Swedish to a Finn, English always a safe choice though  Smile

I know AY is very interested to expand atleast in Russia, but Russia hasn't always been an easy partner with this question.
Other question is where the profitable markets would be.

About Japan and India: AY is already in Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya and Delhi,
perhaps more Indian cities coming later. They have the rights to fly to Mumbai already.


25 UpperDeck79 : I would like to see some calculations about Sapporo, if it could work. No European airlines flies there at the moment (KLM used to) and the city has
26 2travel2know : Talking about Japan, I was thinking more of KKJ - Kitakyushu - or KIJ - Niigata, not really CTS. PUS in South Korea could be even attractive for a KK
27 Nimish : How's the new AY 21/22 HEL-DEL-HEL service doing so far? Does anyone have any feedback? Is it predominantly connecting traffic or is there a significa
28 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Well, it's 3 pw now and it will go 5 pw in the summer. AY said it's selling better than expected, actually. Lot's of Scandinavian connecting traffic,
29 Andaman : Package holidays from HEL to Goa, on AY's 752, have been popular for years, but the connection to DEL has open more choices.
30 DABZF : ... it was JFK-ARN-HEL I think... might have also been without ARN in between!? But how about no mentioning of Blue1... they are expanding like crazy
31 UpperDeck79 : Ah yes, I forgot about Goa. But as you said, the DEL flights opened possibilities for packages to Northern India's tourist destinations including Agr
32 DABZF : Just to think about it aren't AY holding traffic rights to quite a few HEL-Asian routes? I can remember that it was AY who stopped KE Cargo flying ICN
33 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : Here's the Korea-Finland Air Services Agreement It says the following: So does that actually mean that if there is no code-share agreement, only one
34 Post contains images Tancrede : Moi kaikki, Olen tulossa ensi torstaina Helsinkiin Finnairilla Pariisista. Lentokoneeni sapuu Vantaan klo 23:00. Olen siellä noin pari viikkoa ja tak
35 Prebennorholm : Thanks Andaman for your great information. Since husky rides seems to be available around Kittilä, and knowing the people who invited me, then I'm a
36 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : However, you should remember that huskies were never traditionally used in Finland! They are there now only for the tourists... So the address "Santa
37 Post contains images Andaman : Terve Tancrede Welcome to Finland, I wish you a good trip! You speak really good Finnish. The weather is finally changing and the real winter with re
38 WSOY : You'd be amazed what people do there besides skiing. Whatever that may be, the demand for flights is quite steady.
39 Post contains links and images Andaman : So this is where the Santa lives, in Rovaniemi, south-east of Kittilä, full of tourist these days: Finnair has opened The School Of Santa: http://ww
40 Post contains images Ravel : Actually it is "99999 Korvatunturi, Finland", however this is not his official address any more. Btw, the Rovaniemi airport is right next to Santa Cl
41 Tancrede : Thanks, and I hope that you are right abouth the weather. BTW, I heard that you get a storm at this moment on the southern coast.
42 Post contains images DABZF : ...that's how I read it! KE can not fly if they don't have AY as a codeshare or v.v. By the way... is this a Santa thread or aviation thread!?
43 Post contains images Andaman : ...hard to be separated, as Santa is the main tourist trap in Finland this time of the year
44 Prebennorholm : Santa IS aviation! He runs SPS, the world's largest and oldest cargo airline these days. (Santa Parcel Service).
45 Andaman : Blue1 to LED/SVO sounds really good, all competition welcome, KF keeps AY busy in Finland. Blue1 has expanded rapidly and maybe that explains all the
46 Post contains images WSOY : Snow status in Finland on-line. The picture is autoupdated. The situation of the day (14.12) is unnaturally bad.
47 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : Cool, one of the many visitors to IVL made it to the top pic of the day: View Large View MediumPhoto © Juha Portti
48 Post contains images OHLHD : Finally a Finnish Aviation thread! Great Idea UP79!!! Yes wheather I crazy at the moment. I just visited my grandmother, on the sad of occation of the
49 Post contains images Joge : There should be also a bunch of Russian charters flying into Helsinki in the nearby days as they tend to do so every year. Anyone having more informat
50 LordHowe : Nice thread! Keep up the good work! Does anybody happen to know - i bet you do - where the AY A340 is flying these days? I mean besides four times a w
51 FunFlying : Yes, OH-LQA stays now overnight in HEL and the next flight will be tomorrow to NRT.
52 Post contains images Tancrede : Moi, I have been studying in Finland. I own a Master degree (maisteri) from the University of Helsinki. And I love to fly with Finnair, one of the be
53 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I've been thinking of flying to Helsinki again for a couple of days after xmas, nothing definite though. But in case i'm going, any local HEL spotters
54 Post contains images Joge : You got it! Seems like there's a small HEL A.net meet coming up. Ok, who's in? -Joge
55 LordHowe : What a waste of equipment! Or is it so that the "old lady" is so tired after the HEL-PVG-HEL very tight six/seven times a week schedule since July 20
56 EFHK : Wow, Fantastic! A Finnish aviation thread! Thanks UpperDeck! On MON/TUE and WED/THU it flys to PVG, only on FRI/SAT it overnights in HEL. The "end of
57 Post contains images OHLHD : Yes I am in! When would be a good time? How about Juhanus???
58 Post contains images Joge : As Tancrede will be here in Helsinki for two weeks and ZRHnerd might come here as well after Christmas, I suggest something closer to end of year/fir
59 Post contains images OHLHD : I also donot believe we will be able to take sharp fotographs at juhanus
60 Post contains images Joge : LMAO!
61 Konrad : Is HELKRK coming back next summer ? What freq/equipment ?
62 Andaman : Yes, Krakow will be back, four times weekly, it was very popular summer 2006. They will use Embraer 170/190 and also A319, according to their website
63 Post contains links and images EFHK : Yes it is with the amount of flights doubled!    Flights are on Mon, Wed, Thu and Sun, and they're mostly operated with E-170s, but some flights fr
64 Post contains images ZRHnerd : That's one sexy baby. Btw. What's juhanus?
65 Post contains images Joge : Juhannus is a Finnish drinking festival, equivalent to Oktoberfest in Germany. No, just kidding. It's mid-summer festival, but yeah, for many it's ju
66 Post contains links and images Andaman : Oh boy, that E190 looks good, Embraer has become my favourite. View Large View Medium Photo © Normando Carvalho Jr. Any idea whats her first route?[
67 EFHK : Looking at Finnair's schedule, on Mon-Thu AY375/376 to OUL, Mon-Fri and Sun AY665/666 to CPH, Tue-Fri AY325/326 to VAA, Wed-Sat AY387/388 to KAJ, Sat
68 Joge : Flying all the way from Brazil, it will have to go through a check. Also, I wouldn't be that sure the seats are in yet. But at least the paint is don
69 UpperDeck79 : Huh? You think ATL could work but EWR not?! Yes, ATL has very good connections, but no-one from Finland actually goes just to ATL. EWR has good conne
70 ZRHnerd : I agree with UpperDeck79. A HEL-ATL service won't work. ATL being a strong skyteam hub and AY being a OW member, there would be close to no feeder tr
71 EFHK : Ok, my point of view might be a bit one-sided as I've flown Delta a lot and my family has a good amount of SkyMiles. So over the years I've gotten un
72 ZRHnerd : Well, MIA and ORD are a completely different pair of shoes. MIA is AAs hub to mainly middle and south america, whereas ORD is a well located hub for
73 EFHK : You have a point. But I imagine MIA has a lot more O/D traffic than ORD?
74 Post contains images ZRHnerd : That's right, but not as much O&D PLUS feeder traffic as O&D plus feeder traffic from ORD, and the addition of the two makes the passenger number. A
75 Post contains images EFHK : Quite possible. It would also open new code-share possibilities which JFK can't offer, or at least aren't offered right now. The problem would be the
76 ZRHnerd : Yes, but just slightly. Exactly what I was thinking. SK and AY are in a similiar situation at ORD. SK being an SA member, has UA based at ORD for fee
77 EFHK : That's already too much, if thinking about SVO flights. 35/50 minutes connection time in HEL when flying JFK-SVO, and 45/35 minutes on return, depend
78 Post contains images Andaman : I wish the US West Coast would be back for AY, the used to fly to SEA, LAX and SFO once. Just dreaming... My first intercontinental flights were Helsi
79 Post contains images EFHK : Out of curiosity, Volga-Dnepr Antonov 124 is coming tonight to HEL as VDA4316 from Reykjavik (Houston, Gander) at 00.30, estimated at 23.50. Departs t
80 LAXDESI : I think they should look into SFO-HEL-MAA, and develop a scissor hub over time at HEL for India-North America routes. What are the visa requirements
81 Andaman : Indian nationals need visa to EU, to US as well? Perhaps AY could think returning to the west coast after they have got more wide bodies, will get 4?
82 Sukhoi : It would be nice to see a HEL-ARN-MIA with the 752 but the range of this machine is not enough?
83 DLBOIFIN : I strongly disagree with that! Look at CPH, SK is the dominant carrier here and still DL manages to have full flights to ATL. DL has a strong hub in
84 UpperDeck79 : I think LAXDESI meant that do Indian nationals need a visa to transfer at HEL. Which I think they don't. But I'm not sure...
85 ZRHnerd : Point taken. They most definately don't. As long as they stay in the non-Schengen area of the terminal, they have in fact not immigrated into Finland
86 UpperDeck79 : I can't believe the number of charters departing tonight!!! From RVN: 17:45 Manchester TOM242 17:50 Liverpool FCA661 18:35 London Gatwick TOM8202 19:0
87 EFHK : I wonder if there will be even more closer Christmas. And they're all to UK, except the AY to MXP! I didn't know ENF handles that much charters. Does
88 Post contains links and images Andaman : Not all to UK, there was one to Dublin   This winter 560 Xmas charters expected, they keep Santa busy up there. And the reindeers, huskies, all the
89 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Is that you?
90 UpperDeck79 : According to today's Helsingin Sanomat, there's only one suitable airport in Northern Sweden, Kiruna. Is that correct?
91 Post contains images Andaman : Yes, me in front, with horns Got a little extra job, tourists give good tips (not like the Finns who never tip)
92 Andaman : The same paper told there are more services ready in Finnish Lapland than behind the border, big investments made in hotels, ski centers etc. I would
93 Post contains images ZRHnerd : haha, wait for the Swiss Wish there was some snow around here, can't wait to grab my snowboard
94 UpperDeck79 : I believe most people use the train as it's much cheaper and only takes 1 night from Moscow. There will be 18 charter trains from Moscow to various p
95 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : More of this Christmas season's charters: Here are the tiny terminals of ENF (Enontekiö) and IVL (Ivalo): Some UK charters from recent years: View La
96 Post contains images EFHK : You're right, it looked too alike!   Has anyone actually spotted OH-LKE at HEL yet?[Edited 2006-12-19 20:31:23]
97 UpperDeck79 : Today there are some Paris flights: CDG-KTT FPO1681 Arriving at 14:40 KTT-CDG FPO1682 Departing at 15:40 CDG-IVL AY4876 Arriving at 20:10
98 LordHowe : "Who" is FPO? Regards, LordHowe
99 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : According to airlinecodes.co.uk and Wikipedia it seems to be Europe Airpost from France (callsign "French Post"). So maybe it's just a flight to get
100 OHLHD : My french is not so good anymore but acc to their homepage they have a B737-300 for their pax flights but it is a Combi??? Their cargo fleet is 12 B7
101 LordHowe : That's what it has to be - why else stop in Lapland for just one hour ... How is it with this years Asian nonstops to Lapland. Last year it was Tokyo
102 UpperDeck79 : And a Belgian flight tomorrow to RVN: 10:55 Brussels-National MON9066 Since there are no domestic flights in Finland in the evening of Dec 24 and the
103 Sukhoi : Its funny to see all the charter flights to northern Finland but all the kids and parents in the Nordic countries know that Santa lives at the North p
104 Post contains images Andaman : Well the Danes say Santa is from Greenland, Finns believe in their Lapland-theory, as do all those charter tourists They should fix the tourist servi
105 Post contains images EFHK : Santa isn't the same! And it would also ruin the whole credability of the Santa business, think about a travel agency brochure with "Go to see Santa
106 UpperDeck79 : Just a few people from Manchester at Kittilä today. Look at the KTT departures board: 17:05 London Stansted R8263 17:10 London Stansted FPO1244 17:
107 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : In the last three days two new aircraft started operating from the HEL hub: OH-LKE, Finnair's first of ten Embraer E190s and OH-ATD, FinnComm Airlines
108 DavidT : Ouch! I don't want to be at RVN when there are that many flights... the airport is tiny! (but the cafe is very nice...)
109 Post contains images Andaman : Perhaps it's only good Santa doesn't work year around..
110 Post contains images DavidT : Definately good, means it's quieter when I come to ski in February Does anybody know if we are likely to be seeing the 190 in MAN any time soon? We g
111 Post contains images EFHK : From March all flights are supposed to be E-190s.
112 Andaman : Yes, in March? There's an AY E190 thread too, for more details.
113 Post contains images Joge : AY 074 from NRT to HEL seems to be via RVN later today, 24th Dec. -Joge [Edited 2006-12-24 01:41:36]
114 Post contains images OkAY : At least for Finns Santa Claus has always lived in Korvatunturi, Finland So precisely correct place to visit the old man is in deed RVN!
115 Joge : Also AY 080 from Nagoya to Helsinki is flying via Rovaniemi. Seems like the place to be this afternoon, MD11 and A343 expected. -Joge
116 Mk777 : do you think AY will ever fly to IAD..SK does from CPH, why not AY, not enough pax??
117 Andaman : Any new destination in US would be great, but yes, I don't think enough pax for IAD. SK's IAD-CPH serves many (mainly?) transit passengers, HEL serve
118 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Yes, just like wrote a few days ago.: And according to Amadeus.net, they seem to be on time:
119 DavidT : Thank you both. Upside: it's a new aircraft type to fly on from MAN! downside: it's strill the same cross section as the 170 and those little e-jets
120 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : One upside compared to 320s: you will never end up in a middle seat!
121 Post contains links DavidT : That's very true! I don't know how many people saw this in the news and I apologise if it's already been posted... Ivalo to LGW flight diverts to MAN
122 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : Interesting domestic departures at HEL this evening (when there are no actual flights)... http://www.helsinki-vantaa.fi/domesticdepartur
123 DavidT : Hahaha, I assume that's what the displays show in the terminal too? Nice touch by Helsinki airport.
124 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Right now it looks like AY074 from Tokyo is running a bit late at RVN and both Japanese flights are on the ground at the tiny airport! Must look cool
125 Post contains images Joge : 17:00 Merry Christmas HH001 23:59 Merry Christmas XMA -Joge
126 Andaman : Cool! I just wish Finnish passengers would act like that sometimes... Finns can be such lambs in a situation like that.
127 Post contains images EFHK : Ah, yes, they have them every year! BTW, what's the post limit for a new thread?
128 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : About 200, so not just yet, hehe. Osaka-Rovaniemi-Helsinki AY078 seems to go on time today, too, according to amadeus.net:
129 LordHowe : Actually just passed by our house (some 30 kms from HEL) and is landing in HEL 30 minutes before schedule. Took off in RVN 1605 and is landing in HEL
130 Post contains images EFHK : The Irish cheat then, their thread 26 had only 123 posts.   Do you think AY will order 2-3 more A340-300s next year to fill some of the gap between
131 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : I have no idea... But yeah, there will be quite a gap between the 4th new A343 (which will arrive in 2008) and the 1st A350... I just flew one of Blu
132 EFHK : Or maybe it would be better not to order new, but lease some used A340s, as I think there will be more available with some other airlines dropping th
133 ZRHnerd : Didn't you find it to be extremely quiet in flight? I found it to be an incredibly comfortable plane to fly on.
134 UpperDeck79 : True. But then again how much better are the new -300Es compared to older -300s? We were sitting in front of the wing, so I guess it was pretty quiet
135 EFHK : I don't really know, but probably not enough to outweigh the cheap leasing costs.
136 Post contains images EFHK : Is this going to be a regular visitor?
137 Post contains images Joge : Should be here the next two weeks or so. Went to see it yesterday. Nice looking plane. -Joge
138 Post contains images EFHK : Great! We don't get too many jumbos here...
139 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat is reporting that Copterline is suing Sikorsky for a minimum of 45 million euros in a New York court over the S-76
140 EFHK : Today (Thursday) should be an interesting one in Kittilä, a few flights from CIS, with at least Atlant-Soyuz, Aerosvit, Vim Air, Kavminvodyavia and K
141 Andaman : It seems Finnair's A343 will be in domestic service at least on one day this winter, HEL - KTT (1,5h) return on 17th Feb, a busy skiing weekend in Lap
142 EFHK : Does anyone know when AY's M11s have to go out of service due to heavy maintenance (D-check)? I know one was in November so AY had less widebody fligh
143 EFHK : I saw this on today's arrivals page. Has KF started charters? 14:25 Salzburg KF7052 13:40
144 Post contains links Noora : Could it be a flight for STS Alppimatkat? Here's a link: http://www.alpresor.se/afi/2003.asp
145 EFHK : Thanks, that's definitely it.
146 Post contains images ZRHnerd : You guys should join the chat more often, I havent talked to a finnish person for one month now Starting to feel homesick even though i'mat home, gues
147 FunFlying : HEL will get again a new destination next summer - Visby on Gotland island, Sweden will be connected thrice weekly with HEL by City Airline's ERJ-145
148 Post contains links Noora : I didn't find the following posted here on A.net so here we go: Blue1's MD-90 had some problems with cabin pressure on a flight from Helsinki to Oulu
149 Post contains images Andaman : And I guess no time to warn the passengers before the oxygen masks came down? Must have been scary for some , though kind of cool too...
150 Post contains images Prebennorholm : Let me try it first. Thursday next week I am going to KTT. On the CPH-HEL sector the ticket says equipment = E190. I had no idea that it was the very
151 Post contains images Andaman : So you will arrive in KTT between two high season, first there were British Xmas tourists in Dec and the Finnish ski tourists will arrive in Feb. One
152 Prebennorholm : Yeah, my company has some training course facility near Kittilä. I have heard it described as a "cottage" and a "palace". It's probably something in
153 Post contains links EFHK : They should have been delivered a second EMB-190 by now, but the first one was a couple of weeks late so maybe the second one is too. Same website re
154 David_itl : Today saw the 1st AY E190 at MAN.
155 UpperDeck79 : AY A300 and other aircraft at HEL in a music video in 1997:
156 Post contains images Andaman : Wow, you found a Finnish classic, an UltraBra fan here And indeed, AY had an A300 once, for holiday charters mainly. I never was on that myself.
157 Post contains images WSOY : They had two A300-200s (2-crew), and they still fly. [Edited 2007-01-10 10:29:37]
158 WSOY : ..should have added that the regs of the A300s were OH-LAA and OH-LAB. The latter features in the video clip above.
159 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : virtual.finland.fi: Court says Finnair pay to Asian cabin crew trade secret
160 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : More news from virtual.finland.fi: Finnish Railways says next gov't should fund EUR 400 mln airport line Would be sweet! I hate to take the bus to HEL
161 Post contains images EFHK : Absolutely! I haven't been to any other major European airport which wouldn't have had a rail link to the city centre! BTW, I'll be flying to LPA for
162 Andaman : Ouch, AY's 752 holiday charter is pure pain... I was planning to fly to LPA too, and to avoid charters I was thinking to combine BCN and the Canaries
163 Post contains images EFHK : I have heard the "rumours" and will see for myself. BCN probably isn't the best winter destination, better in summer. But if you're going to the Cana
164 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : That's hilarious! I've been wondering if anybody would have to do that, and now you will. Since it's my original home town, I'm always happy when mor
165 Post contains images Andaman : Actually BCN not bad in March, less tourists and ok weather usually. That much Iberia concerns me a little though or perhaps I would be happily surpr
166 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : I've taken a holiday in YYZ in December, OSL in March and now going to DUB in January...
167 Post contains images EFHK : I must admit I was QUITE surprised when AY's booking engine suggested that to me. But after thinking about it for a second (more flying, EMB ride, th
168 Post contains links EFHK : Another incident; this time Jetflite's Learjet 60 skidded off a high speed exit in HEL. No injuries. http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/B...3%A4n+opas
169 Andaman : I haven't tried them yet but I have understood IB offer very limited service inside Europe, nothing for free basically, among other things. Read many
170 Post contains images EFHK : Oh, OK. I always thought they offered a decent service but that was probably just my imagination as IB is part of OW.
171 Post contains images Andaman : The black Spanish sheep of OW? By the way, thanks for the 'respect'!
172 Vasu : That might be nice to fly on!
173 Andaman : Yes, also tried to get LANChile A340 to the same OW package, on MAD-FRA, but the booking system didn't offer it, should book separately - LANChile ac
174 LordHowe : Did you know that AY uses 752 also on HEL-BCN route - at least when I was trying to book for May 2007. I totally agree with yoy that AY's 752 is pure
175 Post contains images Andaman : Yes, scary ..AY charter division should be separated from the mother company more cleary, maybe Aero could handle it in the future.
176 Post contains images EFHK : If you're lucky, it might even be the A340-600! Current AY schedule for next summer shows occasional 752 flights to FCO,BCN,CPH and ARN (not only the
177 Andaman : I wouldn't be too happy as passenger. Isn't the seat pitch 29" on AY 752 charter version, comparing to 32" on their Airbuses? FCO and BCN are one cla
178 DLBOIFIN : I flew few times on 757 between HEL and CPH last summer and it seemed to be all Y flight. Same seats, same meals to everybody. So I don't think that
179 Andaman : So 752 flights to CPH and ARN will be all Y then too. I guess less C class traffic in summer but busier otherwise.
180 AC747 : I notice Finnair and Blue 1 are to return to DUB this Summer from HEL. I wonder does anyone know why this route cannot be flown year round ? I remembe
181 TrijetsRMissed : I have been surprised that AY has not added a route to ORD since basically every other large European carrier flies here. Yes I would think the route
182 Post contains images Barbro : Whooohooaa what a thread!!! About FR, it's weird that they are even thinking about opening a new "mini-hub" in Finland. The appeal of TMP has to do wi
183 DLBOIFIN : If we think this a bit further, wouldn't it make more sense if AA would start to operate ORD-HEL? 767-200/300 would be optional for that run compared
184 Andaman : Totally agree, AY should serve DUB regularly. And my Irish friends living here in Finland and ín Dublin share this opinion. Perhaps next winter will
185 Andaman : Yes, could make sense. On the other hand cargo plays some role here too, especially with MD-11.
186 TrijetsRMissed : Yes I see your point. AA operated ORD-STO in the '90s with a 762ER I believe. I don't think that route still exists though, maybe it does..? Maybe it
187 Andaman : You mean ORD-ARN (Stockholm)? AA don't fly anywhere in the Nordic area, just codeshare. By the way, there have been rumours CO would come to HEL, but
188 LordHowe : They once had a plan - back in 1990 with the beginning of their winter schedule - I was even routed back home from SJU via ORD in November 1990 - but
189 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Yes, that's it, my bad. They might not operate the route anymore with their own metal but I am 100% sure they did during the 1990's. My dad flew the
190 Andaman : AY says about year '06: "In North Atlantic scheduled traffic, capacity decreased by 8.3%. Change in revenue passenger kilometers was -7.4%, and passe
191 Sukhoi : Both DL JFK-ARN and AA ORD-ARN flew to ARN until 9/11. And now we have CO ARN-EWR and US ARN-PHL (summer) instead. Also AY had a mini hub at ARN unti
192 OkAY : A far as I remember the AY HEL-JFK route has been under the concideration of being discontinued. And never it has been done. At the moment (and for ma
193 UpperDeck79 : 8?!! When did that happen?
194 Jormy : I don't think it's a big problem for AY to buy additional cargo capacity from "real" cargo carriers. Not long ago we've seen WO DC10/MD11's, EZ B747'
195 OHLHD : Is there any chance that one of the MD-11´s or more would be converted to Cargo only A/C´s? Is there enough demand?
196 UpperDeck79 : With the A350 being late, I don't see that is an option.
197 OHLHD : and after the A350´s arrive?
198 UpperDeck79 : Who knows. It would be great to have some of them for cargo and some under Aero's name for long-haul charter flights.
199 ZRHnerd : Did i see AY's ERJ190 on approach to ZRH today or was that wishful thinking? Can anyone find out?
200 Post contains images FunFlying : You did see correct! OH-LKE operated today as AY863/4 HEL-ZRH-HEL. FF
201 Post contains images ZRHnerd : great! lovely bird Thanks for the info
202 LordHowe : The new HEL-LJU-HEL route seems to interest more than expected. Originally it was planned to have Emraer flights but at least on our flight back home
203 Post contains images OHLHD : GO GO GO
204 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : Ok, here we go : Finnish Aviation Thread Vol. 2 (by UpperDeck79 Jan 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)
205 Prebennorholm : Sorry, no E190. On three out of four sectors the real equipment didn't match the schedule. CPH-HEL should have been E190, it was A320, almost empty.
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