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Turkish Airline Staff Sacrifices Camel At Airport  
User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm

To mark the last delivery of 100 aircraft, maintenance workers clubbed together to buy the beast - and then consume it. The sacrifice took place at Istanbul international airport

Insane.

[Edited 2006-12-13 17:12:55]

[Edited 2006-12-13 17:13:24]


The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson
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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

actually it wasn't for the 100th, it was a thank god the RJ fleet is gone festive  Wink


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12274 times:

Where East meets West - on the tarmac at IST.

User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12257 times:

What i dont get is, how did they drag this camel into the airport without anyone questioning them.

Did it have 1 or 2 humps?  duck   yuck 



The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11862 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Thread starter):
To mark the last delivery of 100 aircraft, maintenance workers clubbed together to buy the beast - and then consume it. The sacrifice took place at Istanbul international airport

Sounds like great fun! Wish I would have been invited or my previous airline employer would have had such festivities surrounding the conclusion of new deliveries; all I got was a layoff notice!

Joe


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11788 times:

If I'm not mistaken, when Air Madagascar (MK ?) got a B747 they sacrificed a bull on the tarmac too.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11711 times:

So how airlines get their food!  duck 

I think it is kind of cool and would have tried some camel meat if I was there. I don't see why someone should lose their job over it though. Yes, by American standards it seems a bit unusual but if it did happen in the states the guy would probably keep his job thanks to the unions.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11537 times:

Errrr. how did they kill the beast on the tarmac - if I am not allowed to bring liquids past security, I am not sure they are allowed to bring swords, guns, whatever weapon airside to to some ritual killing of a camel? I sincerely hope they did not strangle the poor thing to death and cleaned up the mess properly....

Anyway, they celebrated the withdrawal of their last Avro RJ - which is somewhat bizarre and maybe shows a bit of bad taste. OTOH - just wondering if some a.netters secretly slaughter a bronco in the wild wild west whenever an airline replaces some Airbus with Boeings.... - I have got to tell Borat to find out for his sequel....


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11428 times:

What will TK staff do when they join Star Alliance??? Tradition is good but there is a time and a place for it and IST wasnt one of them. If they want to do this stuff in a village then fine but at a international airport its a bit much.

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11656 times:

Maybe weird to some of us, but a celebratory ritual - and a special one, for Muslims during their Festival of Sacrifice.

Sad to see an animal slaughtered, but we need to respect (not necessarily understand) other cultures and their traditions, in any shape or form.

Flight safety was not compromised, let's get on with our lives...



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

this is an aviation forum and we should discuss about aviation and not about a camel. you could talk about the RJ and their leave and somethink else, but not about any traditions or cultures or nations or meats...

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

This was a bit unusual of a custom, but it may reflect the customs and beliefs of the staff. To me the bigger problem is if they actually killed and butchered the camel in their workplace. It isn't really part of their job description or probably allowed, especially if an open fire was used to BBQ the meat. That is why the supervisor/manager was fired. I am quite sure their are customs done by airline mx workers all over the world, although not this extreme.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 24):
how did they kill the beast on the tarmac - if I am not allowed to bring liquids past security, I am not sure they are allowed to bring swords, guns, whatever weapon airside to to some ritual killing of a camel?

I'm confident that mechanics at an airport with a major MX operation would have a variety of cutting tools.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 26):
we need to respect (not necessarily understand) other cultures and their traditions, in any shape or form.

I have to disagree. Cannibalism would be a good example of why.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 26):
Flight safety was not compromised, let's get on with our lives...

 checkmark 


User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

This is a clip of CNN Turk reporting about the incident.
Sorry for those who don't understand.


I still can't believe this happened.
 Sad


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11464 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 29):
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 26):
we need to respect (not necessarily understand) other cultures and their traditions, in any shape or form.

I have to disagree. Cannibalism would be a good example of why.

To respect a tradition (or opinion) does not necessarily equate to agreeing with it.



The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10636 times:

how can someone do such a thing???

[Edited 2006-12-14 05:32:17]


De-icing RULZ!!!
User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

I surprised at the surprise of some of the Western A.netters to the event. In Nepal (until recently the world's only Hindu Kingdom), it is customary to sacrifice a buffalo whenever RA gets a new plane and to pour the blood on the aircraft to ward off evil. Also it is crazy to generalize that Hindus and Buddhists get into a tizzy when beef is served. There are enough Hindus who will gladly relish a steak and enough Buddhists (eg. Thailand and other parts of SE Asia) who would try out a beef burger at Burger King. In this respect what I can assure you is that in comparison you will find far, far fewer Muslims or Jews who will eat pork.

For those who state that Turkey is far from Western standards, may I remind them of the Armin Meiwes cannibalism incident in the heart of Germany.

rgds//Vimanav



Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
User currently offlineSylvcath From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10229 times:

At least they ate what they killed. I'd hate to be the poor soul who had to clean up the mess.

I don't know that I've ever heard so much elation about getting rid of Avro's.



"sylvcath" = Sylvan Catharsis
User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9037 times:

Personally, a Goat would have worked better....

User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

Shameful. No other words to describe this.

I hope the management takes the right decision.

cheers

sq773


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

I am quite surprized about some of the pro-butchering comments by learned Anetters.

In India where large number (majority) of people are meat eaters, at such occassions a coconut is broken. (If anyone of you have followed Indian aviations threads, this has been discussed at length. Every new induction of aircraft to IC had its share of broken coconuts and applying of holy colors). This is quite symbolic. I think this particular tradition has evolved with time when public cruelty became a matter of social shame, and I feel it was a good change or rather a "evolution".. step in the right direction.

How many of you would like to be that poor unsuspecting camel dragged to the hot tarmac, confused by all those jet noises and being pounced on, only to be get its wind pipe cut? I fail to see how this is could be something to be proud of?

Why people are becoming more fundamentalists and bigots by passing day, hell bent on pleasing god with blood?


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

I wonder how they killed it. If they used large knives, or a gun, it would be a very real security threat.


"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

We have a custom here of slaughtering chickens, frying their wings, and slathering them with kick ass hot sauce after a job well done. Whats the difference with the exception of copius amounts of blood that ends up on the ramp??  Smile

User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 79):
well just like every topic on A.net, we have all flavors....

Yes, but not for camels.

Just as you accept it is normal to sacrifice an animal, we here in the USA accept it is OK to view an incident like this as inhumane, barbaric and prehistoric.



The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson
User currently offline777FlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 27):
this is an aviation forum and we should discuss about aviation and not about a camel. you could talk about the RJ and their leave and somethink else, but not about any traditions or cultures or nations or meats...

Would this have made news had the killing not been on an airport? Unlikely. Was the place of the killing inappropriate? Yes. Just a huge lack of judgement. Meat is meat. I personally wouldn't eat camel, but then I won't condemn a particular culture for their beliefs.


25 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : COME ON!!!
26 Copter808 : I must be missing something here...I fail to see anything wrong with what the Turks did--and they certainly have no reason to be embarrassed! What I D
27 Gamarocchi : Copter 808, the point is not eating meat (even if I do admire people who are able not to eat meat), but slaughtering the camel on the tarmac. Which by
28 777way : I know what you mean, I'm Muslim too, but the concept seems barbaric and outdated, even pagan in all honesty.
29 DZ09 : You should be more worried about how fellow Muslims and fellow human beings from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. are treated in the UAE than how a c
30 Gamarocchi : Donating food to the needy is unquestionably useful and admirable. What is questionable is the ritual itself, awash in pain and suffering. Yes, worryi
31 Wingnut767 : [ This a far cry from killing and butchering an animal for the barbecue. It is ridiculous to even compare this way. Most hunters throught out the worl
32 Garnetpalmetto : OK all, this thread has wandered far afield - going to discussions ranging from whether or not camel is kosher/halal to discussions about the CNN news
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