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Spirit Airlines Applies For FLL-Port Au Prince  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

Spirit Airlines has filed application for services to Haiti on 12DEC06.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=432911&docketid=26607

The route will be Ft. Lauderdale - Port au Prince on board 144-seater A319, effective 01APR07.

Currently American is the only US carrier flying to Haiti.

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

based on the schedule, I'd say they are targeting the local traffic:

FLL-PAP 0800-0855
PAP-FLL 0955-1255


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

But I think AA flies to Cap Haitien , am I right?

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
But I think AA flies to Cap Haitien , am I right?

Port au Prince only.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Effective 12/14/06 AA will serve MIA-PAP 3X daily (2 AB6, 1 757).

AF offers 4X weekly 320 service on the same route.

AA doesn't serve CAP (yet). I've heard AA has looked at it though...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
Effective 12/14/06 AA will serve MIA-PAP 3X daily (2 AB6, 1 757).

They serve MIA-PAP 3x daily year-round with the exception of a small amount of time in the fall when they put more planes into maintence.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
AF offers 4X weekly 320 service on the same route.

3x weekly, on the routing MIA-PAP-FDF-PTP-CAY. It takes the entire day for the plane to do the route, so it operates in alternate directions on opposite days, resting on Mondays.

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Currently American is the only US carrier flying to Haiti.

Actually, they aren't. Ft. Lauderdale-based commuter airline Lynx Air offers scheduled service from both Fort Lauderdale and Miami to Cap Haitein.

It will be interesting to see what American Airlines does in response. American Airlines flies daily Fort Lauderdale-Port Au Prince service with a 737-800. The route is a very, very good performer for them.

[Edited 2006-12-13 20:45:32]


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It will be interesting to see what American Airlines does in response. American Airlines flies daily Fort Lauderdale-Port Au Prince service with a 737-800. The route is a very, very good performer for them.

If AA were not so plane constrained I would imagine we would see AA trying to beef up and/or mirror NK routes out of MIA.

Maybe the 737 will bump up to a 757.

How will the new NK fares compare to the current AA fares? Will they be doing that silly $9.00 fare?? This could be a killer fare war. Good news for PAP passengers who consistently pay top dollar for their tickets.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 6):
If AA were not so plane constrained I would imagine we would see AA trying to beef up and/or mirror NK routes out of MIA.

AA is plane constrained? They just sold a bunch of 757s and parked AB6s and M80s.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Spirit is not a lowfare airline, they are low cost. It is unlikely that you will find bargains on this route with them. Grand Cayman fares for example start at $298 typically.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Good news here, hopefully NK will be as popular there as they are here in the Bahamas.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
t will be interesting to see what American Airlines does in response. American Airlines flies daily Fort Lauderdale-Port Au Prince service with a 737-800. The route is a very, very good performer for them.

Yep, based it loads alone it looks like it does great. One time I was checking ticket prices and it was 1400 dollars!

(btw AA807 was the flight where I saw someone bringing a fan onboard!)

AA also has service to PAP from JFK and previously BOS.

Cheers,
Devan  wave 



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

I'm surprised DL hasn't started JFK-PAP yet. Maybe we'll see that and/or ATL-PAP when the 73G's arrive.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

I hope NK knows what they're getting into as far as PAP. With the excessive baggage and political instability. I notice they don't RON the plane there,didn't think they would  

[Edited 2006-12-14 02:47:19]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

We won't see Delta do ATL PAP but down the line a daily flight from New York would not suprise me. Literally nearly all traffic from the US to Haiti goes to South Florida and New York. MIA PAP has the highest percentage of local traffic of any AA route from MIA. There are days when the morning flight goes out with zero connecting passengers.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 11):
I notice they don't RON the plane there,didn't think they would

Yeah it's my understanding that the crews don't even leave the plane for security reasons. They land and turn that bird right around...


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quote:
FLL-PAP 0800-0855
PAP-FLL 0955-1255

Okay, something's wrong - eastbound in 55 minutes, but westbound is two hours and 55 minutes? In reverse, this would work, crossing a time zone and all, but something's not right here.

Quote:
I'd say they are targeting the local traffic

There really isn't much of any other kind, is there?

I hope this is successful for both Spirit and Haiti.



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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

The timing is correct.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
Okay, something's wrong - eastbound in 55 minutes, but westbound is two hours and 55 minutes? In reverse, this would work, crossing a time zone and all, but something's not right here.

It is correct. There is a time zone difference. Port Au Prince is one hour earlier.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quote:
It is correct. There is a time zone difference. Port Au Prince is one hour earlier.

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-caribbean12.php

According to this map, Port-Au-Prince and southern Florida are in the eastern time zone. The flight times should be roughly the same.

And as Haiti lies to the east of Florida, if it was in a different time zone, it would be an hour AHEAD, as the further east you go, the later the time gets. For Haiti to be an hour BEHIND, it would have to lie to the west of Florida, and that is the Gulf of Mexico.

There is definitely something wrong with the times.

According to AA's website, all four of their MIA-PAP flights are blocked at two hours and two hours, ten minutes on the return:

MIA-PAP AA 377 dp 6:30 AM ar 8:30 AM
PAP-MIA AA 816 dp 9:40 AM ar 11:15 AM



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):
According to this map, Port-Au-Prince and southern Florida are in the eastern time zone. The flight times should be roughly the same.

You are correct, they are in the same time zone. However, Haiti does not observe daylight savings time, hence why the schedules are correct.



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User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

This is interesting. PAP was rumored a while back and then I heard it didnt get approved. Maybe it was just a rumor that we had applied for it, but we hadnt.

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
AA is plane constrained? They just sold a bunch of 757s and parked AB6s and M80s.

Yeah that is why they are plane constrained. There are no jets to start new routes because so many have been parked and sold in the interest of fleet cominality and lowering costs.

To start a new route these days you have to cut one somewhere else.

I did not realize any A300s had been parked.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Quote:
However, Haiti does not observe daylight savings time, hence why the schedules are correct.

This is a logical statement.

However, I have checked AA's website for flights in January (Eastern Standard Time) and May (Eastern Daylight Time), and there are no differences in the scheduled time. In both January and May, flights times are identical.

Since I won't be travelling to Port-Au-Prince anytime soon, I can't say as this really affects me; however, either American or Spirit has something incorrect...I just can't figure out which one.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=434301&docketid=26607

Spirit Airlines received approval on 22DEC06 to fly this route...


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

I'm sure PAP ops will be a bit of an eyeopener for all @ NK.


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 21):

This is a logical statement.

However, I have checked AA's website for flights in January (Eastern Standard Time) and May (Eastern Daylight Time), and there are no differences in the scheduled time. In both January and May, flights times are identical.

Since I won't be travelling to Port-Au-Prince anytime soon, I can't say as this really affects me; however, either American or Spirit has something incorrect...I just can't figure out which one.

I can't figure it out either. If MIA and PAP are in the same time zone, then there is no way it is a 55 minute flight. I know PAP doesn't observe DST, so it should be a 9:55 arrival. I also don't get that AAs schedule doesn't change? I'm confused. I'll have to ask a Haitian I guess!


25 Yellowtail : Oh boy..now they are really gonna tick of AA. Going for their bread and butter! Yeah. hope their eyes are ready for the mountains of baggage that are
26 Post contains images United_fan : Yeah,there's a reason AA uses the mighty A300 on such a short flight
27 MAH4546 : No, it doesn't. Spirit isn't a low fare airline. For example, on the Grand Cayman route, outside of promo fares, $149 each way is the norm. Spirit ha
28 United_Fan : From what I've read,Hatians bring everything,including the kitchen sink with them,as the island has nothing,not even wood.They already chopped it dow
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