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New LGW-US Business Class Only Airline  
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Had a search but couldn't find any info on this.

"US airline plans business only Miami - Gatwick flights

11.12.06

A US company plans to launch business class only flights between Miami and Gatwick if it wins court approval to take over a bankrupt airline.

Icon International Holdings has agreed to buy bankrupt Falcon Air Express for $4.2 million, subject to approval by the bankruptcy court. Miami-based Falcon Air Express filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in May and laid off 73 of its 169 employees. The airline has continued to fly with a reduced fleet as it worked to reorganize.

Icon said it plans to offer business-class only flights, with flatbed seats, gourmet cuisine, Internet connectivity, satellite TV and entertainment systems at each seat. Icon CEO Alan Brooks said the airline intends to launch service next year on routes including Miami to Gatwick, New York's JFK, Los Angeles, Mexico City and Toronto."


Source - http://www.uk-airport-news.info/gatwick-airport-news-111206.htm

Anyone know anything of this or how likely it is?

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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3695 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

IMO they would be hard pressed to get decent slots at LGW, the line for take off is horrendous at the times that US flights generally depart.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

How much demand is there for these UK-USA business-class flights?!

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3695 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
How much demand is there for these UK-USA business-class flights?!

Maxjet seems to be surviving from STN, they do however have the advantage of STN being North of London, so they have a slightly different catchment area.

In addition it seems that their definition of business class is approx 1/2 way between say BA WTP & Club or VS PE & Upper Class.

Flying from LGW theres a lot more competition. I can think of two factors the exising airlines have multiple departures available on the JFK route, so the timing on a limited schedule might be a problem. And LGW - Miami can't have a huge number of premium seats available at present. Could a new entrant grab enough of the passengers to justify it.


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting LGW (Thread starter):
Internet connectivity, satellite TV and entertainment systems at each seat.

Not sure how they'll get satellite tv, as to my knowledge no broadcaster has a satellite pointing to the mid atalntic ocean.

Even some Jetblue flights go far enough from US shores to lose the satellite signal - let alone mid atlantic!

sounds like there is some marketing spin here, with not much thought in to the actual realities.


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
How much demand is there for these UK-USA business-class flights?!

Not a lot, Miami is more a leisure route than business. Hence why all BA flights to Miami are configured on the Low Club World 747s!

I doubt this is going to work for them...


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 5):
Not a lot, Miami is more a leisure route than business. Hence why all BA flights to Miami are configured on the Low Club World 747s!

Contrary to popular belief, Miami also boasts a healthy business demand. We're home of the world headquarters of companies like Burger King and the home of the Latin American offices of many other corporations. It's not all leisure.

I wonder what heavy aircraft will look like in Falcon Air Express colors, or if they'll go ahead and introduce a new color scheme.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Quoting LGW (Thread starter):
Had a search but couldn't find any info on this.

I did post this the other day but just to prove the search doesnt work, I cant now find the thread I posted!!!



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

IMHO, if they can only get average loads of 60% on the STN-JFK flights, they are never going to make it on a LGW-MIA flight.

Could be compeltly wrong though!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 5):

Not a lot, Miami is more a leisure route than business. Hence why all BA flights to Miami are configured on the Low Club World 747s!

Shows how much you know. Do you really think British Airways flew the Concorde to Miami for eight years to cater to tourists?

There is significant business demand between Miami and London, and BA, VS, and AA's planes go out full in the premium cabins frequently. In fact, American Airlines flights 56/57 (MIA-LHR-MIA) is the single most profitable LON-USA flight of the ninteen daily flights American Airlines flies to London.

Just because BA choses to use the higher density configuration doesn't mean much. Miami was one of the first cities in BA's network to switch to 4-class service when it was introduced. Virgin Atlantic uses lower-density aircraft on their MIA service.

Now, whether or not this airline is going to work (if it ever gets off the ground) is a big question mark. There isn't the bulk demand for business class that there obviously is from New York City or Chicago, and it is going to be tough to get passengers to switch.

[Edited 2006-12-13 23:57:36]


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