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Boeing Starts Final Assembly Of 1st 737-700ER  
User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5736 posts, RR: 48
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

This is the first one for ANA. News is off Bloomberg.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061213/sfw075.html?.v=77

[Edited 2006-12-13 21:21:34]


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

still no indication which route it'll fly, however.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

will ANA equip them with PTVs?


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User currently offlineZamaria From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Will the B737-700ER require certification testing? I imagine since it is basically the same as the BBJ1, it will not. Anyone know for sure?

-Z


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

what will be the code of the 737-700ER? 73GER?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30626 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6241 times:
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Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 1):
still no indication which route it'll fly, however.

I'm still hoping SEA-NGO as the "Dreamliner Express".  Smile

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
what will be the code of the 737-700ER? 73GER?

Works for me.  checkmark 


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

I hope more order this airplane. i'm tired of people saying the plane is too small to be on that long. Well who wants to me on a 757 that lont since its the same fusalage.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

I wonder how much advantage ANA and other future customers will take of the 73GER's range. It can fly, for example, from Seattle non-stop to Tokyo or China, and from Miami to any city in South America or continental Europe, even Moscow! The range is pretty impressive.


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Quoting Zamaria (Reply 3):
Will the B737-700ER require certification testing? I imagine since it is basically the same as the BBJ1, it will not. Anyone know for sure?

The article says the aircraft is in final assembly, and that ANA will take delivery in early 2007, so I'm guessing there wouldn't be enough time in there to do a certification. I'm guessing none will be needed.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 6):
I hope more order this airplane.

Well, Continental hasn't ordered it yet? Tongue in cheek, I'd imagine 10-15 for use EWR-EU (cities too minor for even a 752) or IAH-SA (say, Manaus, Recife, etc.)  Smile

Who knows?

-Dave



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
AH-SA (say, Manaus, Recife, etc.) Smile

73G can do IAH-NE Brazil just fine.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
73G can do IAH-NE Brazil just fine.

Thanks for your response. It'll be interesting to see how ANA uses theirs.

-Dave



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
Thanks for your response. It'll be interesting to see how ANA uses theirs.

I could imagine maybe from Japan to smaller markets in India or the Middle East.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I could imagine maybe from Japan to smaller markets in India or the Middle East.

It's interesting, though, that they have IIRC only ordered two frames. Seems like a limited application, at least initially.

-Dave



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User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The range is pretty impressive.

Indeed! I'm very impressed with the 73GER's range. I think this will open up many random routes such as BNA-LGW, AUS-MAD, MSY-CDG, MIA-MUN, RDU-ANC, MEM-TXL, etc... Imagine the possibilities.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

I wouldn't like to fly a narrow body for a 10hour flight!!!


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
I wouldn't like to fly a narrow body for a 10hour flight!!!

Not even MAXjet/EOS/Primaris/PrivatAir? I bet you'd change your tune fast.



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User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

If it has AVOD and the operator has good service, I don't mind flying it at all! Yes, wide bodies are definately the way to travel, but flying a 737 long haul will certainly be a different kind of experience for change.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
Not even MAXjet/EOS/Primaris/PrivatAir? I bet you'd change your tune fast.

No, because of claustrophobia, I avoid any narrow-body a/c.The sole narrow-body that I like is the 757, but not for flights over 4/5 hours



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting Moek2000 (Reply 13):
Indeed! I'm very impressed with the 73GER's range. I think this will open up many random routes such as BNA-LGW, AUS-MAD, MSY-CDG, MIA-MUN, RDU-ANC, MEM-TXL, etc... Imagine the possibilities.

The question will be: What is the CASM for a 737-700ER on these routes? I would imagine they'd need a significant fare premium over connecting services to make it work. Unless the business level demand was there on a given city-pair, it'd be difficult IMO to be successful. The next generation narrow-body might change that though.

-Dave



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I could imagine maybe from Japan to smaller markets in India or the Middle East.

That's on the consideration list, particularly India.


User currently offlineBronko From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 810 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 17):
No, because of claustrophobia, I avoid any narrow-body a/c.The sole narrow-body that I like is the 757, but not for flights over 4/5 hours

Yea, flying in a Gulfstream for a 8 hour flight would be torture since it is even narrower than a 737.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Quoting Moek2000 (Reply 13):
Indeed! I'm very impressed with the 73GER's range. I think this will open up many random routes such as BNA-LGW, AUS-MAD, MSY-CDG, MIA-MUN, RDU-ANC, MEM-TXL, etc... Imagine the possibilities.

MIA-MUC is already served with widebodies on LTU. Though some of those routes would never work (MEM-TXL, AUS-MAD) even with a 737ER, you are absolutely correct on how many routes this opens up if airlines take advantage of the range. BNA-LGW and MSY-CDG are excellent examples: medium-sized US cities to major European hubs.



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User currently offlineSka From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
I wouldn't like to fly a narrow body for a 10hour flight!!!

I can see why people would think this, but it's not that bad. I remember flying from STN-EWR on a 757-200 and from EWR-SEA on a 737-700--both flights were quite nice, actually.



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
The question will be: What is the CASM for a 737-700ER on these routes? I would imagine they'd need a significant fare premium over connecting services to make it work. Unless the business level demand was there on a given city-pair, it'd be difficult IMO to be successful. The next generation narrow-body might change that though.

Same argument the 757 had to overcome. And it took many years.

The killer app is this... a nonstop premium does exist in Economy. In Business, it gets even better... you get almost 100% of the J-class business, draining it from other carriers. No premium is needed, just the magnetism of nonstop flights. A 73G with plenty of J-class traffic will make money, no problem. All such city pairs would support a 73GER. Not sure which city pairs that describes, though.


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