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What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?  
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24904 posts, RR: 56
Posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Like the question says what is it? I have a feeling its the L1011 or B707? Can anyone help?


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

I believe it might have been the CV-990... getting close to Mach .90. I also read that the L-1011 could get close to Mach .90 too, but it would be sucking a lot of gas in the process. In terms of regular ops the 747 can still cruise at mach .86.


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User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

The B727?? I once heard that it went supersonic with structural damage as a result...


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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

I did hear B727 to be the fastest subsonic airliner but not about it went supersonic. First passenger aircraft thet went supersonic was DC8-43 (during test flight, of course), it landed safely with no damage, and the crew felt nothing when increasing speed but there was some effect when decreasing.

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

A couple planes have went supersonic, for example I think there was a 747SP that slipped out of trim and went into a spiral dive from FL 350. Recovered at FL 120, wings bent upwards a couple feet perminately.


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User currently offlineAirNova From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

All of you guys are forgeting Tupolev 144. It was a supersonic airliner.





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YUL





User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

I doan't know for sure but I do have one experience. I once went on a United flight on 757-200 from LAX-ORD. We got the
re in under 1 hour 30 min. THe pilot said we were going 840 (more or less) because we had close to 200 mph tailwinds. I don't know if that is considered going close to supersonic or not. But I know that I'd hate to be going the other dirrection with that headwind.
-Aaron


User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1346 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

I don't know how accurate those airshow things are, but I have been in both a Lufthansa A340 and a Finnair MD-11 that showed the speed to be 690 MPH. I believe thats quite not supersonic at 30000 feet, but it sure is close.

User currently offlineGreeneyes53787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

The Convair 990A could cruise for short hops of about a thousand miles at .96 mach. However, they'd wiggle their tail a bit. They were certified for .91.

But today I hear on this forum that the 777 is fast.

Greeneyes


User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

The maxinum speed of a 747 I think is M0.92 but cruises at .85

If the Tu144 is included, it went even faster than Concorde!

Pacific


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

I believe the MD 11 is also pretty fast. I think its faster than both the 777 and the 747.

Avion


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Ok here is your supersonic info-

Aio86- assuming an altitude of FL300, 840 mph is about Mach 1.23


Ahlfors-It is supersonic-about Mach 1.01-just barely over it.

G.R.



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User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Avion's post hit me that the MD11 had a CRUISE speed of M0.87. Don't know the max. Boeing removed the stats from the web page now.

Pacific


User currently offlineDash8 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Bar none it's the CV-990.
What you see on those screens are groundspeed.
If I had a 800 MPH tailwind I wouldn't be going supersonic in my 172 because the wind is pushing me and my sound and everything.
Mach is based on True Airspeed. So you can't use groundspeed.
After the CV-990 it's a tossup between the 747 and the L1011. I once went to the cockpit of a KLM 743 and saw 0.88 on the Mach with no glitch.
After that it's anyone's guess.......

Regards,

Xander


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39672 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

I thought the 747 SP was the fastest sub-sonic with a 0.92 rating.

Maybe I am wrong.



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User currently offlineIndianGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

This has been discussed before under the topic: "Fastest subsonic Airliner".

Its the Tupolev-154M. It goes nearly supersonic. The CV990 also comes close.

The B727 mentioned above did not go supersonic in level flight. It went into a shallow dive due to some failure. So i dont think that counts.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

CV990, L1011, B727-100, in that order. Of course, the L1011 burns a lot less fuel per pax than the others do - the CV990 is basically a rocket!

User currently offlineAirCanadaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

The 777 can go as fast as .92 in level flight. Boeing test pilots took it up to .98 in a shallow dive during the testing period back in 1995. Long range cruise for the 777 is M0.84. I understand that on short hops between ATL and MCO, Delta pilots routinely take their 777s as high as .90. I hear the same about DEN-ORD and SFO-DEN 777 runs on United.

Pat


User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

The TU-144
it is nicknamed "concordski" and it is faster and bigger than the concord.
regards
trev



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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

ive heard its a toss up between the 727 and the l-1011.

does the CV990 even fly anymore and if they do who operates them?



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

IndianGuy, Tu154 (M or whatever else) was never "near supersonic". I flew on it 60 or so times and it was never faster than 960 km/h. I said it in the previous topic too, and if you are not agree, please, provide your source of information.

Tu144 was to be faster than Concorde by design (M2.24 vs M2.02) but I've never heard it achieved this speed in a real flight. Did anybody hear?


User currently offlineFamousNeptune From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

no it is the tupolev TU 154.

User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

FamousNeptune, especially for you  : no, it is not.

User currently offlineFamousNeptune From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

get a live , rix.
they say it is ,and it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

FamousNeptune, especially for you once again : no, THEY say it is not, and it is not!

25 Post contains images FamousNeptune : oooh too bad for you coz it is, look at your sources again
26 RIX : ??? Erik, I'll be really thankful to you (no sarcasm) if you tell me what your source is (and so prove me you are right) but, OK, what is the source?
27 Airman99o : Ok Fastest supersonic airliner is : Tu-144 @ max crusing speed it was 2500 km/h or 1550 m/h which in turn translates to mach number of 2.35. Fastest s
28 RIX : The specs for Tu154 are 950 km/h! Again, did anybody hear about Tu144 REALLY reached its design max speed?
29 TWA717_200 : I finally found some specs on the 154M. Max cruise is 514kts or 590 m/h.
30 Flapsdown : commercial airliners fly mostly in the range of 575mph-600mph. they simply are not designed to go any faster. indeed they can, but the plane would exp
31 Delta15 : Ive flown at over 700MPH on an L1011 from Sfo-Atl.
32 F.pier : In August, 1996 I flown from Memphis to Amsterdam and I remember that the speed shown on the onboard monitor was 1019 km/h. I don't remember it in mil
33 F.pier : In the last message I forgot to tell you that I was flying on a KLM's MD11.
34 RIX : ...and I'm pretty sure it was a ground speed, not a true airspeed. I had the same on May flying on UA777 from IAD to LHR. The reason is that both were
35 Fanofjets : The only subsonic airliner to reach supersonic speeds was a DC-8-40 (RR Conway-powered overwater variant) on a test flight before delivery to Canadian
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