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EK Are Eying More French Destinations...  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Following posts on French aviation forums,EK have requested traffic-rights to Marseille and Toulouse.
The threads indicate the French aviation authority have approved the flights..
No official confirmation as of now nevertheless.
These would be the fourth destination after Paris ans Nice.


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

I am sure they will be operated with A332s, since they are thin routes!

[Edited 2006-12-14 22:54:17]


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
I am sure they will be operated with A332s, since they are thin routes!

So is NCE, but they operate a 777-300 ! Poor thing can't take off fully loaded from NCE, they have to stop at FCO on the way to/from DXB. I have no idea how EK fill the aircraft, it has pretty limited connections in DXB and the fares are always astronomical. I suspect they do a bundle on first and business, but the back must be empty.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

They have asked the Nice airport authorities to install jetways to receive their A380s !!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
I have no idea how EK fill the aircraft, it has pretty limited connections in DXB and the fares are always astronomical.

Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there  duck 


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
They have asked the Nice airport authorities to install jetways to receive their A380s !!!!!!!!!!!

No way..you have got to be serious? Does EK really want to fly the A380 there?



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2689 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Oh man I hope they do go into Toulouse!! I travel there about once every two years from New Zealand and would LOVE not having to transfer at Paris (usually between airports and airlines).

Let me see, AKL-SYD-DXB-TLS, or maybe AKL-MEL-DXB-TLS. Sounds good to me - a trip to Europe and an Australian stopover for a few days. Perfect  Smile


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there

EK has excellent connections to NCE via DXB both outbound and inbound from PEK/PVG/KIX/HKG/KHI/BOM/DEL/SYD/MEL/AKL and MNL. They have also good outbound connections to KUL/SIN/BKK via DXB.

So I dont know how u can say that EK has poor connections for NCE pax flying east of Dubai???!!!


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
So I dont know how u can say that EK has poor connections for NCE pax flying east of Dubai???!!!

No, I think he means the timings of the flights in terms of connecting.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
EK has excellent connections to NCE via DXB



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 8):
No, I think he means the timings of the flights in terms of connecting

EK's NCE flights are scheduled like the chunk of the airline's Europe flights, i.e. departing from DXB in the 7-9am outbound longhaul bank, which perfectly connects to EK's overnight longhaul inbound bank at 5am. Emirates' NCE-DXB flights arrive back at the DXB hub in the midnight inbound bank, again together with flights from all over Europe, providing optimal connectivity to the 2am outbound longhaul bank. Connectivity for NCE passengers, in other words, is as good as it gets. I'm with Behramjee here.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

NiceNews
Nice Airport
The new A380 will land at Nice Cote d’Azur Airport in 2008-2009
Emirates has announced its intention to land the A380 which will fly Nice-Rome-Dubaï at Nice Airport.

The airport management is currently studying the adaptations necessary to its infrastructures in order to welcome the giant of the airways. Several other companies are likely to use the A380 for important events such as the Film Festival or the Grand Prix or even certain professional trade shows taking place on the French Riviera. The platform is already capable of receiving large aircraft such as the 747 or the Antonov 124, used to transport the Alcatel Space satellites assembled in Cannes to Kourou in French Guyana. One of the new gangways installed two years ago is adapted for the A380 and the runways are already equipped.

www.nice.aeroport.fr



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
EK's NCE flights are scheduled like the chunk of the airline's Europe flights, i.e. departing from DXB in the 7-9am outbound longhaul bank, which perfectly connects to EK's overnight longhaul inbound bank at 5am. Emirates' NCE-DXB flights arrive back at the DXB hub in the midnight inbound bank, again together with flights from all over Europe, providing optimal connectivity to the 2am outbound longhaul bank. Connectivity for NCE passengers, in other words, is as good as it gets. I'm with Behramjee here.

Perhaps dig up that piece of work you did on the EK hubbing code... and provide the link.
I think that explains it more than adequately...


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

I wonder why they don't consider Lyon as another french gateway. I know it only takes 2h by TGV to/from Paris. But a Lyon flight would probably also serve the Geneva region.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

I wonder why they want to upgrade to a A380 on DXB-FCO-NCE, instead of flying two 332s or 772s, on DXB-FCO-DXB and DXB-NCE-DXB.

User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3497 times:

NCE is a flagship route as it is very popular with the Gulf Arabs.

I am a little surprised at the mention of TLS before LYS also. MRS may make sense as well. However what puzzles me is that these routes would come before serving cities such as AMS, BRU, etc.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3460 times:
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Nice would obviously also be gateway to the rich Monaco hence why they'd want a good product out there in that market.

User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I would hardly say NCE is a 'thin route'. Thinner compared to Paris perhaps, but not as 'thin' as Marseille and Toulouse.

Im suprised EK havn't requested traffic-rights to Lyon, before Marseille and Toulouse.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6):
Oh man I hope they do go into Toulouse!!

With the number of deliveries they have coming, and the number of times the A380 will have to go back to get fixed, they might as well make it a revenue station .

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 16):
but not as 'thin' as Marseille and Toulouse.

I believe there is a big Arab population in Marseille and to a lesser extent in Toulouse. Whether they have the disposable income to travel in large enough numbers to fill a plane more than once a week, I don't know. Also I would imagine most of them would be more likely to travel to North Africa than the Middle East and beyond.

[Edited 2006-12-15 19:57:42]


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
believe there is a big Arab population in Marseille and to a lesser extent in Toulouse. Whether they have the disposable income to travel in large enough numbers to fill a plane more than once a week, I don't know. Also I would imagine most of them would be more likely to travel to North Africa than the Middle East and beyond.

As you said, the "Arab" population in Marseille area comes mostly from North Africa. I don't think there are a lot of people from the Gulf.
These new EK routes also surprise me, as well as the A380 in NCE. But, anyway, this is good news !


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

The A380 to Nice is probably to serve the high-rollers and their bags of money bound for Monte Carlo.

Really, I don't know, but if it's true, Nice is one destination I have never imagined a 380 would go....but a nice surprise and change from the usual suspects we keep hearing about *possible* future destinations of the A380 such as NRT, LHR, FRA, CDG, YUL, DXB, SYD, etc.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2886 times:

NCE is more a F/J class route than Y. A lot of "well-heeled" people in the Arabic island go there for shopping and so on...

User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2878 times:

I'd be shocked to see TLS or MRS before LYS or GVA (technically a french airport too!). As was previously stated, Marseille has a sizeable Arab population, but they're almost entirely from the Maghreb. Also, Marseille isn't exactly renowned as a 'top-end' destination, nor are the inhabitants of Marseille particularly wealthy. It doesnt seem to make much sense for EK to serve Marseille, nor TLS. I dont know what in particular would attract EK to Toulouse, especially when far more economically viable destinations such as GVA and LYS are not yet served. Especially GVA, its served by all major Arab players except for the biggest of them all! Quite peculiar.


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
Really, I don't know, but if it's true, Nice is one destination I have never imagined a 380 would go....but a nice surprise and change from the usual suspects

Absolutely. But if you think about the number of A380 ordered by EK, it's logical to see new destinations served with it in addition to the "usual suspects" as you call them  biggrin 


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 21):
Also, Marseille isn't exactly renowned as a 'top-end' destination, nor are the inhabitants of Marseille particularly wealthy. It doesnt seem to make much sense for EK to serve Marseille, nor TLS. I dont know what in particular would attract EK to Toulouse, especially when far more economically viable destinations such as GVA and LYS are not yet serv

While I tend to agree that the population in Marseill does not seem particularly wealthy,the Hinterland of Marseille ( Aix en Provence,Cassis,Toulon) are quite wealthy....
ALso TLS sees a quite large amount of riches that travel -so the destinations are not as far-fetched as it seems.
That does not mean EK will not target GVA ,AMS or BRU -but the thread was about France anyhow...



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

EK is going to announce officially VCE-DXB, on Dec 19. Who knows, maybe there will be other cities to Europe announced on the same date.



[Edited 2006-12-16 15:19:22]

25 Post contains links Feroze : http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2963292
26 Post contains images Gkirk : Could NCL be one as rumoured?
27 Ncelhr : They have never said they' ll operate A380 throughout the year but they'll definitely operate it during May (Cannes Film Festival & Monaco Grand Prix
28 Ptugarin : Is Nice-Rome the shortest scheduled segment on an A380 so far?
29 YOWza : It would be wild if EK had one or more A380s in F/J only configs for routes such as this. It may even be viable! YOWza
30 Jacobin777 : Considering they fly the 773 there, it just might be possible..would certainly be cool to see..but I'm not so sure about the runway lenghts if they g
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