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Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?  
User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23893 times:

I think LHR-HKG throguht Pacific Ocean which the B772LR flew. What do you think ?

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23895 times:

Hypothetical city pairings based on A/B statistics or actual legs flown?

SIN-EWR is the longest scheduled flight now.

Based on projected milage from A/B...pick two cities at the farthest reaches.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23784 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
I think LHR-HKG throguht Pacific Ocean which the B772LR flew

Reverse that city pair IIRC. HKG-LHR via the Pacific, Seattle, LAX, NYC, the Atlantic, then London.

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
What do you think ?

I think the longest route a plane can fly is around 10000 miles in still air, if you have a 777LR with all the extra tanks you can get. Pretty much means you can almost fly any city pair in the world, but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.
Ultra long haul routes are being investigated. SIN-EWR is the longest for now, and time will tell just how far a plane can fly, and be filled with pax who want to be on a plane that long.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23745 times:

The longest potential routes that are possible are not likely because even the A346 and 772LR cannot operate westbound at MTOW. The holy grail of long routes is probably SYD-LHR. If you can do that at MTOW then you have really got something.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 23563 times:

the longest route a plane can fly is all the way around...
It's been done, more than once.

Of course you could change your routing to make such a flight as long as possible, but I assume you mean direct routing.

The longest flight with a commercial aircraft was from San Francisco to New York via Hawaii, Ceylon, Pakistan, Brazil, and the Bahamas.
Flown in December 1941 and January 1942 by a Panam B314.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4102 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 23500 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
I think the longest route a plane can fly is around 10000 miles in still air, if you have a 777LR with all the extra tanks you can get. Pretty much means you can almost fly any city pair in the world, but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.
Ultra long haul routes are being investigated. SIN-EWR is the longest for now, and time will tell just how far a plane can fly, and be filled with pax who want to be on a plane that long.

I often marvel at what is really on the other side of the planet from SLC and what would be the shortest most direct route possible. The Boeing 772LR has a factory specified range of 9,420 nautical miles. Only the shaded part of the map isn't reachable with the range of the "World-liner";
Big version: Width: 481 Height: 241 File size: 6kb
Boeing 772LR range from Salt Lake City; 9420nm

Of course there are a number of other technical characteristics that must be factored into determining what the true maximum range of an airliner really is such as weight at take-off, weather, upper level winds etc...



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23344 times:

The longest any plane would need to fly is 12,430 miles, or one half of the Earth's circumference, hypothetically. Obviously 12,430 miles going west is a lot harder than 12,430 miles going east. But that should give you a rough answer to your question.
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.


User currently offlineCO767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 23116 times:

How bout CO 777 EWR-HKG...16 hours.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6937 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23095 times:

Nearly two years ago (!) we had this interesting discussion on a very similar topic.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1974706


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23061 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

the longest feasible i've found is EZE-PVG at just over 12,000. My poor friend is from BsAs and works in Shanghai, home ain't exactly around the corner...



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23027 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 3):
The holy grail of long routes is probably SYD-LHR.

That's the toughest one because of the winds. AKL-LHR is a lot longer but it's easier because it would be flown east-bound in both directions. GRU-NRT is also very long. These flights will become possible with the A350R and ER versions of the B787.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22887 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):
The longest any plane would need to fly is 12,430 miles, or one half of the Earth's circumference, hypothetically. Obviously 12,430 miles going west is a lot harder than 12,430 miles going east. But that should give you a rough answer to your question.
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

Don't forget that in real life, few flights can follow true great circle routes due to ATC requirements, ETOPS restrictions, the need to avoid overflying restricted areas, areas reserved for military purposes, war zones etc etc. In many cases that adds significantly to distance travelled. And in some cases, certain airlines have to take very devious routings to avoid entire countries/regions, e.g. El Al on services between TLV and BKK where they can't overfly Arab countries that lie on a great circle route. They thus fly south over the Red Sea until clear of the Arabian peninsula and then turn east over the Indian Ocean. That adds about 2 hours to LY's flying time on that route vs. the most direct routing. And before the end of apartheid in South Africa, SAA was prohibited from overflying most countries in Africa and thus had to take a much longer routing than other airlines to/from Europe.

And the shortest routes are often not the fastest due to prevailing winds. Flights often use very different routings in each direction between the same points. e.g. Nonstop flights between the east coast of North America and points such as HKG/SIN etc. normally use the traditional transpacific routing over Japan and Alaska eastbound to benefit from the usually very strong westerly winds, although that route is roughly 10% longer than a true great circle route. In the westbound direction they generally take a much more northerly routing, frequently almost due north over the North Pole and across Russia and China, not even coming anywhere near the Pacific Ocean. That is much closer to the shortest great circle route and headwinds are normally less in the Polar regions.

I would guess that only a tiny percentage of flights every day operate on a true great circle routing.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 22626 times:

i think
AKL-JFK through Europe should be on the list


User currently offlineSNA350 From Belgium, joined Dec 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22230 times:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=m...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

that's the best I can find
they are all pretty close to the 'magic' 12430nm

interesting to see is that the 3 routes pick completely different directions

[Edited 2006-12-15 17:05:43]


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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19276 times:

The trouble with questions like this is that the poster seldom makes the question specific enough to avoid wildly different answers. My assumption would be that he means what is the longest potential direct distance between 2 cities. No restrictions for range of aircraft or possible no-fly zones.

If that is the case I would think that SNA350's answers using AKL are the ones to beat.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19235 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.

Are you sure?  eyepopping 


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19153 times:

Quoting SNA350 (Reply 13):
interesting to see is that the 3 routes pick completely different directions.

It's funny to think that two places on the opposite sides of the world are essentially the same distance in any direction. Means you could always take advantage of the wind like Zvedza points out.

[Edited 2006-12-15 21:07:47]

User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19038 times:

The longest route is GRU-NRT at 11,489 miles.
AKL-LHR is 11,409 miles.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18995 times:

Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 17):

I'd like to edit or delete my previous post but I don't know how to do it.
I am sorry for the erroneous information I posted.


User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18789 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 12):

CGN-DUS if you fly once around the world Smile I guess B773ER meant a flight that could really exist if an airliner has the range. I think no airline would fly from HKG to LHR over USA. Its just a useless spending of kerosin. Pax wont like it.



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User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18665 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable

Seems like I was pricing that itinerary just last week...... Smile


User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18033 times:

I have three, based strictly on distance, not on winds, restrictions, etc.

They are:

1. Singapore-Quito, Ecuador

2. Perth - New York

3. Madrid - Wellington, NZ

Someone can check me on this, but all of these should be over 12000 statue miles, with #3 being the longest if I remember right.

Btw, the requirement was that the cities involved be big enough to land/take off a heavy. I think all of these meet that requirement, but I'm not positive about Quito and Wellington.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17506 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.

Hahha, the bigger challenge is finding 200 other people in PHX to take that trip with you.....



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User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17254 times:

london to capetown????

,james



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17142 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
My assumption would be that he means what is the longest potential direct distance between 2 cities. No restrictions for range of aircraft or possible no-fly zones.

Don't forget no inflight-refueling. Otherwise, that plane would be up there forever almost!



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25 Post contains links Aviateur : "Longest route a plane can fly?" Depends where you start from. And do you mean technically, or realistically? This question is pretty easily solved us
26 Post contains links Aviateur : "Longest route a plane can fly?" Do you mean technically, or realistically? Technically, it's a great question. You'd need to pinpoint the one airport
27 PADSpot : Reminds me of that old German comedy skit when some customer calls the LH call center and asks for a CGN-DUS flight ... Lufthansa: "We don don't fly
28 A342 : I think I have found the longest possible route between 2 airports: From SYX (Sanya, Hainan Island, China) to ARI (Arica, Chile). That's 12430mi, or 2
29 N1120A : The longest routes that would actually be able to support themselves financially are NRT-GRU and NRT-GIG at 9984 and 10004nm respectively. There are
30 Jamincan : I don't know. I'm inclined to believe that an EZE-PVG routing would work depending on the economics of the plane. If not now, sometime in the future.
31 Timz : The GC Mapper is a great tool, but the formulas it uses don't work for city-pairs this close to antipodal. Actual distance ARI to SYX would be a bit
32 Nzrich : Yes but AKL-LHR is already in existance 11409nm and it is economic so much its gone twice daily..
33 N1120A : EZE-PVG wouldn't have the kind of yield that could support an ultra-long haul. Incorrect. AKL-LHR is 9910nm. You were using statute miles.
34 VV701 : The world's longest non-stop fully commercial flight was in March 2006 when BA 772 G-YMMO carried British Prime Minister Tony Blair from BRU after an
35 Nzrich : ok thanks i was copying someone elses post thanks for the correction
36 MCOGVADCA : I'd have to agree with Jamincan, EZE-PVG would indeed be economically viable due to recent economic agreements/significant number of mutual business i
37 Post contains images MotorHussy : As has been mentioned already, the longest route in the world currently scheduled and flown is SQ's 15,345km or 9,535mile SIN-EWR route. Regards MH
38 Warren747sp : Quantas had a flight LHR-Sydney which they made a couple of flights before it was cancealed.
39 OzGlobal : "Quantas" (no comment). What's this talk of LHR-SYD? QF fly this route 5 or 6 times daily! If you mean non-stop, this was done once for publicity at
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