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Fog From Hell!  
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Happy Global Warming Christmas, Chanakuah, New Years, Quanza:
If feels anything but here in the Eastern USA. With temperatures in the 60s, we've been getting fog, fog and more fog causing a major air traffic cluster
f**k up and down the coast. I remember as a kid seeing a news story on TV that CDG had jet engines built into the ground around their ramp areas and when they got hit with the fog, they fired them up burning off the fog.
Do they still use this? And, how is the temperature around the airport affected? How long do they have to run those engines on average to burn off
a moderate fog?
And, hve weather delays increased due to the overall climatic rise in temperatures worldwide?


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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Yea... here is my wx at work this morning

KACY 150935Z 16003KT 1/8SM FG BKN001 OVC006 08/07 A2986 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 T00780072


not too good.... thank goodness everything made it in last nite.

Fog like this all over the east coast makes it hard to find a takeoff alternate!!

[Edited 2006-12-15 11:03:46]


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User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Doesnt look anything like Global Warming here! Big grin Were having like heavy rain and wind, oh well, how surprising is that? Its Oregon afterall.  bigthumbsup 

KPDX  Smile



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User currently offline787atPAE From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 143 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Y'all should've heard the wind all night up here in the Everett, WA area!!

This was the first time I've heard the wind howl before it actually hit our house.


User currently offlineEGNRA380 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

At SYD the past few days it has been rain, storm and low cloud - welcome to my first summer working in the southern hemisphere. The storm on Monday pm (local) (10/12/06) made for a fun landing and great views from up front


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Yeah tons of fog here. Bad for ATC...good for my garlic that I planted a couple months ago!!


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

What, are you blaming that we sent you the fog from HEL?
AY did fly to JFK yesterday but I don't think that was its cargo  biggrin 



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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Fog from Hell eh? I always thought Hell was very hot and very low humidity and therefore not the best climate for fog?  duck 

Once in a while here in DEN we can get bad fog but it usually doesn't last very long...... Our craptacular weather usually involves high winds blizzards and hot temperatures at altitude


-Carl



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

I flew out of ZRH this morning and there was heavy fog around the airport with basically no visibility. This occurs quite often in winter as the airport is situated in some kind of valley and the fpg really gets stuck there. My flight was delayed over an hour as connecting passengers arrived late caused trhough the decrease in capacity in such conditions for landing aircraft where double as much distance needs to be keped between planes.

User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Yesterday, Atlanta was all backed up because of 0 visibility caused by fog in the morning. I went into ATL twice yesterday - delayed both times. We even got put in a hold over Ohio minutes after takeoff from Columbus because of the traffic!

CLT was also a mess yesterday from what I could tell - we cancelled an ATL-CLT roundtrip because of weather.

-Tony



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User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 6):
What, are you blaming that we sent you the fog from HEL?

Oh please, this is getting old, and I don't even like it!  Angry  Wink



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User currently offlineKuna From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

A flight we sent out yesterday (12/14/06) was diverted to Little Rock, due to Memphis having a 100 ft ceiling. The plane was scheduled to land in MEM at 0747CST but didn't reach MEM until 1007CST.


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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

It has been foggy as hell here in Houston too. My flight into IAH from PHX last night barely made it in due to the minimums last night. Very fun approach at night though.

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Our early morning flights always have a thick layer of fog to get over at SBA,


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User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

The fog in Austin was mind-blowing this morning. Early am, at around 430, things went from completely normal to virtually no visibility! It was freakish, but ...honestly, kinda lovely!

Michael
Austin, TX



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User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Quoting Nworlnsbearcub (Reply 14):
The fog in Austin was mind-blowing this morning. Early am, at around 430, things went from completely normal to virtually no visibility! It was freakish, but ...honestly, kinda lovely!

Do you work at the airport? I overnighted in Austin last night and worked a 7am flight out of AUS this morning. The fog was pretty thick, even at 7am! I get back into AUS 1pm tomorrow and out again the next morning. Great airport and even better city!

-Tony



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User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 15):
Do you work at the airport? I overnighted in Austin last night and worked a 7am flight out of AUS this morning. The fog was pretty thick, even at 7am! I get back into AUS 1pm tomorrow and out again the next morning. Great airport and even better city!

I don't work at the airport, but I agree 100% with your comments! Austin is amazing. And yes, the fog stayed around UNUSUALLY late!

Michael



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User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

The First Officer and I were talking tonight about a report he just read in the paper - The 5 Drunkest Cities in America. Austin ranked #5 (behind Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Columbus and Boston) ... hello Sixth Street  Smile


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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

We were completely socked in at DFW this morning as well. Humidity was around 98% overnight, and as soon as the sun started coming up - the visibility was gone. We were working on a 738 at a gate, and by the time we pushed, you could not see the tail from the nose.

Still got out ok though, and ON TIME!!!  bigthumbsup 

Drew



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User currently offlineNworlnsbearcub From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 17):
he First Officer and I were talking tonight about a report he just read in the paper - The 5 Drunkest Cities in America. Austin ranked #5 (behind Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Columbus and Boston) ... hello Sixth Street  

Wow, and I'm from New Orleans... scary. Big grin

Michael



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User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting Kuna (Reply 11):
A flight we sent out yesterday (12/14/06) was diverted to Little Rock, due to Memphis having a 100 ft ceiling. The plane was scheduled to land in MEM at 0747CST but didn't reach MEM until 1007CST.

Assuming you meant the visibility was also below mins? Destination wx is visibility driven.
Ceiling only comes into play for deriving alternate mins.

Exemtion 3585 must have paid fro itself the other day on the East Coast!

[Edited 2006-12-16 03:12:20]

User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Yesterday, for us here in PVD, DCA had the worst weather. Don't get me wrong, all of our flights yesterday morning saw delays, PHL, CLT, PIT, etc...but DCA was horrible. The first outbound, overflew DCA and went straight down to FLL. And the first inbound DCA overflew DCA and came to PVD straight from MCO. Made me miss the days of our flights n/s pvd-fl...

-Tony@PVD



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
Exemtion 3585 must have paid fro itself the other day on the East Coast!

..not to mention the heads-up stuff...  Wink


User currently offlineAvallillo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

The system you refer to in the original post was installed at both Orly and on the original runway at CDG, now known as 09R. It was called TurboClair, and you can still see the bunkers, on the right hand side of the runway, from about the beginning of the overrun to around 2000-3000 feet past the threshold, where the jet engines were installed below ground.

As far as I know, the system has not been active for some years, since it is more or less superfluous with CAT III autolands in use. It apparently was successful in temporarily burning a hole in fog, right over the approach end of the runway. Of course, I suspect that planes could not actually land while it was in operation.

The last time I used this runway for takeoff (09R), the bunkers were still there.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting Avallillo (Reply 23):
The system you refer to in the original post was installed at both Orly and on the original runway at CDG, now known as 09R. It was called TurboClair

Thanks for the information! I'm still curious, how high the air temperature rose during one of these fog buring cycles. And, I guess planes could not come and go.



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25 Zvezda : When I lived in England, I was once got into fog so thick I had to open the driver's door to see the paint stripe on the road in order to navigate at
26 Post contains images Goldorak : CDG is very often in a "complete" fog during winter mornings. I landed several times in these conditions and I'm always impressed. You see the ground
27 TAN FLYR : I was speaking with colleuges on the east coast Friday, your fog sounded like what we get here in the central valley of California during the winter,
28 Kuna : Yes the visibility was below mins as well, but I do not remember what the visibility was at the time.
29 DashTrash : I was on a 4 day trip with 20 total legs. I flew 13 of them and 14 of them actually operated. We operated our morning originator 6 hours late Thursday
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