N1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 551 posts, RR: 18 Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15845 times:
This just hit the news wires....
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TUI Orders Boeing Planes, Will Add Hotels and Cruises (Update1)
By Maria Sheahan
Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) -- TUI AG, the German tourism company that yesterday said it's cutting 3,600 jobs, will upgrade its aircraft with 65 new planes from Boeing Co., add hotels and expand Internet booking to revive sales.
The strategy includes merging the Hapagfly and Hapag-Lloyd Express businesses into the new TUIfly.com brand and focusing on the low-cost market via Internet-based sales.
TUI also plans to create its own leasing business for its jets.
In addition, TUI said it will pay about 2.0 bln eur for 65 Boeing jets, scheduled for delivery as of 2010, replacing aircraft required from 2010-2013 without increasing overall capacity.
These aircraft will all become part of TUIfly.com.
TUI said it had ordered 65 Boeing short- and long-haul planes, mostly 737s, worth around 2 billion euros and would combine its airlines under the new brand TUIfly.com to create a 60 million-euro earnings boost.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15772 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3): Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Hopefully some 787s for long haul as well...
You're not going to get many 787 for $2B
Perhaps, but the article talks about longhaul planes as well, and since you would get even less 748s for $2B and the 763 is probably not an option, it sure sounds like 787 to me .
Anyway, good news. Is this a new order for Boeing or confirmation of current UFO orders?
The text says mostly737s so this includes a different aircraft type and the 787 is the obvious choice.
757 is not produced anymore, 767 is an outdated aircraft and an order is not likely except they need new aircraft very soon but I doubt that. I think it is safe to say that this have to be 787.
Will the aircraft be for TUI Britain or TUI Germany ?
I would be good news if it were not for that part:
Quoting N1786b (Thread starter): TUI AG, the German tourism company that yesterday said it's cutting 3,600 jobs, will upgrade its aircraft with 65 new planes from Boeing Co.,
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15407 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8): Judging by the amount, I'd say both...
From what I have heard so far are the aircraft meant for the whole TUI group so 787s as a 767 replacement for Thomsonfly is likely.
Quote: The strategy includes merging the Hapagfly and Hapag-Lloyd Express businesses into the new TUIfly.com brand and focusing on the low-cost market via Internet-based sales.
TUI also plans to create its own leasing business for its jets.
In addition, TUI said it will pay about 2.0 bln eur for 65 Boeing jets, scheduled for delivery as of 2010, replacing aircraft required from 2010-2013 without increasing overall capacity.
These aircraft will all become part of TUIfly.com.
Aerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15188 times:
I gues it is crisis meeting time at LTU HQ today - all LC or CHarter Carriers in Germany have placed a major order and/or merged (with the exeption of Condor). There is so much capacity on the market now that one of them will bite the dust - my bets are on LTU!
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15124 times:
Quoting Aerosol (Reply 12): I gues it is crisis meeting time at LTU HQ today - all LC or CHarter Carriers in Germany have placed a major order and/or merged (with the exeption of Condor). There is so much capacity on the market now that one of them will bite the dust - my bets are on LTU!
Yes but except of LTU and DE neither of the LC and Charter airlines in Germany offer longhaul flights. Hapagfly has retired its last A310-300 a while ago.
No if this order is for 737 only like many say it is not such a big threat for LTU.
Regarding DE if the rumors are true and LH will sell its share we will likely see the brand of Condor disappear leaving only LTU as a second German longhaul carrier.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 11): You don't get a whole lot of B787 if you pay 2 billion Euro for 65 aircraft = 30,7 million Euro per aircraft. Sounds more like 737's to me.
TUI have corrected the value of the Boeing order to US$3.9bn or E3.0bn. This has been reported by the company itself and some of the newswires are updating their articles now.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 14658 times:
Quoting Wingman (Reply 16): Hmmm, for all the complaining we do about Boeing sales in Germany it's turning out to be a gut year.
Between Air Berlin and TUIfly.com, that's 125 aircraft from Boeing. Add LH's stunning 748 order and that's close to 150 frames. The dollar/euro thing may be at work here, too. But...I'm not complaining!
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 14419 times:
Actually i'm sure a part of the order (atleast for 737's) will go to ArkeFly... They are the only TUI airline which doesn't own short-haul planes, and have to lease theire planes from BMI, Iberworld, Aventura etc. They already announced there were looking at a couple of 737's (probably about 4-5)
i think the long-haul planes will go tho Britania for replacing the oldest 767's, and to Germany as they still don't own long-haul planes (hence the A310)
25 Flying-Tiger: We still don´t know if there are actually long-haul planes in this order, at the moment I doubt it. Besides Hapag-Lloyd/Fly/whoever decided years ag
26 NA: The 737-800 has a list price of 66 -75 million $ according to boeing.com, a 787 upwards from 138 million. TUI pays 60 million per aircraft included in
27 USAF336TFS: I can't think of anyone who deserves it more. Congratulations PanAm!
28 TinkerBelle: Great job Boeing. 1000 orders anybody?? Absolutely right. No one would do a better job as a mederator more than PanAm_DC10 does.
29 DIA: If the order does include the 787, I am curious to know if it will be for one kind only, or two...the 788 and/or the 789.
30 ERAUgrad02: Maybe the long hauls are 767's...lol hey who knows but i still like this plane. one could only dream...lol.
31 Aircellist: Let me add my congratulations to PanAm! Cheers!
32 AwyrCymru: I have been looking at the press release at the tui-group website [ link - http://www.tui-group.com/en/presseme...2006/20061215_Pressekonferenz.html ]
33 Columba: I am dying to find out.......would be great the first 787 order from Germany !!
34 Hamlet69: That is indeed the question. My gut feeling is it will be a combination of both. And before we get too ahead of ourselves, let's also note this, as p
35 ERAUgrad02: I hope there are more orders for the -900ER. Tthis is a great airplane. Are therir aircraft 1 class or 2?
36 Bh4007: Where does Thomsonfly stand in all this:- Will they be merged into Tuifly? (I doubt it though, as they have managed to build up quite a brand for them
37 BA787: Nice but I really hate the yellow livery of TUIfly, much prefer the beautiful blue
38 2wingtips: With nearly US$4b being spent, there will be a WB component here, and it will be 788s IMO. I wonder if the SU/LY slots will come into play here seeing
39 Aidoair: The thomsonfly brand name will totally disappear within two year unfortunately and the entire tui airlines group will become tuifly. Also apparently
40 BA787: And you know this how? NA i doubt Thomsonfly will disappear, they are too well known and too well liked. And I will cry if they become yellow
41 Bh4007: Where will that leave the 787s and the new long haul service? The low-cost model is somewhat incompatible with the above. bh4007
42 777ER: Oh yea, way to go Boeing and Tui. Before this I had never heard of Tui, except New Zealands Tui Beer
43 Aidoair: http://www.ttglive.com/NTTG_fullstory.asp?ArticleID=6833 as well as from the TUI AG website where it states that they will intergrate all the airline
44 Humberside: So this will mean HUY will have a scheduled low cost service once this happens? (TOM presently operate HUY-PMI in summer and HUY-ALC in winter on a c
45 Wjcandee: Aaaah. The SkyBus livery. Are German school busses yellow?
46 Hamlet69: Okay, Boeing has now issued its own statement regarding today's news: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061215d_nr.html IMO, the most explan
47 PictureThis: Firstly, it is nice to hear that TUI are going to invest in new Aircraft. I always thought they would be Boeings. And another thing I always thought f
49 RayChuang: I may have to wear this pretty soon.
50 Columba: Are there any unconfirmed 787s on Boeing´s website that could be for Tui ?
51 AMSSFO: These are the UFO 787 orders: Unidentified 28-jul-06 2 B787-8 Unidentified 15-sep-06 11 B787-8 Unidentified 25-sep-06 2 B787-8 Unidentified 26-sep-06
52 BA787: If they change the Thomsonfly Livery to Yellow, I will set up a demonstration. I love the blue I have always thought TUI stood for Travel United Inte
53 Columba: Likely only the -8. Hapag-Lloyd before only operated A310 and A300 aircraft the -9 would likely be too big. Interesting would be if the -3 would be c
54 Tigerotor77W: And by me as well! Interesting order... we'll see how it pans out.
55 Columba: TUI stands for "Touristik Union International". It is really strange that neither Boeing or TUI-Fly have stated what kind of aircraft and which versi
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