PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7333 times:
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AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands, Dec. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AerCap Holdings N.V. ("AerCap," NYSE: AER) today announced that it has signed an agreement with Airbus for a firm order of 20 new Airbus A330-200 widebody aircraft.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7224 times:
No info given on delivery dates; I wonder if this means that airlines like BMI, Aer Lingus and Aeroflot, which had been looking for A330s for 2008 delivery, will now have to go through lessors like, well, AerCap?!
Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
Well congratulations to Airbus on what has to be considered a a major deal for the A330 series.
I also believe that Aerocap is interested in the A332F. They have previously mentioned 30 frames at Farnborough. Hopefully that order is still on the table as soon as the A332F program is given to green light.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7165 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2): That's a biggie, is this the LCC that JL mentioned were looking at A330s?
AerCap is not a low cost airline but a lessor. Perhaps that low cost airline could lease these aircraft from them.
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3): Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?
I doubt that these positions have ever been available. Airbus didn't take that order from the books and rumours have it that EK themself has found a taker for these.
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7012 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): AerCap Holdings N.V. ("AerCap," NYSE: AER) today announced that it has signed an agreement with Airbus for a firm order of 20 new Airbus A330-200 widebody aircraft.
It is now confirmed by both AerCap and Airbus: http://www.aercap.com/press/aercap%20a330%20order%20dec%2006.htm
The Airbus press release is not yet on their website.
What I find interesting is that neither AerCap nor Airbus indicate when these A330 will be delivered.
I have noticed that Airbus has started since some time to omit this information in their press releases.
In the light of the debate about what is a firm order, the language of the press release is also worth a thought: "an agreement for a firm order".
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6935 times:
Quoting Breiz (Reply 8): What I find interesting is that neither AerCap nor Airbus indicate when these A330 will be delivered.
I have noticed that Airbus has started since some time to omit this information in their press releases.
In the light of the debate about what is a firm order, the language of the press release is also worth a thought: "an agreement for a firm order".
don't some of the lessors order planes without clear delivery dates pending signing an actual lease eg ILFCs huge A330 order several years ago still leaves then with 2-3 dozen orders with no clear (at least to anyone outside ILFC and Airbus!) delivery dates.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6853 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6): Could this be the much-hailed and long-awaited VS A332 order?
Were they to order the A332? Would be phenomenal if they did..
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6622 times:
A very nice order. The 330 is having a great year. Congrats to both companies.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4845 times:
Very interesting...
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 13): I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.
A330 slots aren't that precious... yet. I'm not thinking the risk would be worth it. But they might know something I do not...
Now the question: which engines? I would assume Trents.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4616 times:
From the AB press realease:
"With close to 1,100 orders and 86 operators, the Airbus A330/A340/A350 Family is the world's most modern long-range family available today."
Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4583 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16): Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!
Your right, they are definitly not the same. Airbus are just plugging publicity for the new model. But then sometimes airbus refer to the family concept as being the enrire range.
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4543 times:
Well perhaps the A350 is the new model in this family. I guess that the whole airbus range is part of a family in a way, in that there is a coherrent system of type rating commality across the whole range. So perhaps the A350 can be refered to as being part of the family, but it is certinly a different model to the A330/340.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4293 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 19): Well perhaps the A350 is the new model in this family. I guess that the whole airbus range is part of a family in a way, in that there is a coherrent system of type rating commality across the whole range. So perhaps the A350 can be refered to as being part of the family, but it is certinly a different model to the A330/340
When the A350 was based on the A300/310/330/340 fuse cross-section then they used to call it part of the family but I think it's been left in by mistake as the XWB is totally differant now!
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2622 times:
I think the A350XWB should not be considered to be part of the A330/340 family. Airbus put the old A350 together with them, but I think they'll change that.
Is there any way to find who will lease these 20 planes? I would think they will not go to just one single operator. Maybe Aercap doesn't even have a customer for them. Wouldn't be a big problem, considering that Austrian had 36 interested airlines for their (used) A332.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2402 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 22): Quoting Thorben (Reply 21):
Is there any way to find who will lease these 20 planes?
There will be plenty of interested parties! Its not exactly hard to find takers for A330s.
Sorry, bad English from my part. I wanted to ask whether there is a way to find out who will lease them, in the sense that we know which livery to expect. Of course, finding interested airlines will be very easy.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3): Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?
Is there any connection between this order and the EK A346 cancellation.....in any way shape or form? Or will these 20 A330s be built in addition to the airframes that were intended for EK but will go to some other party (as A330s or A340s)?
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6): Could this be the much-hailed and long-awaited VS A332 order?
"With close to 1,100 orders and 86 operators, the Airbus A330/A340/A350 Family is the world's most modern long-range family available today."
Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!
The new math, Airbus style.......this is why Airbus gets itself into trouble with some of its press releases, which in turn cause so much controversy here at a.net. Didnt we just have a thread with a zillion posts concerning how to count orders in the A330/340/340NG family? Airbus is stating that the A350XWB Mark 3 is a new airplane, wider fuselage, new wings, new engines, how is it part of the A330/340 family? Under this scheme, the A300/310 are part of the family too.
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20): When the A350 was based on the A300/310/330/340 fuse cross-section then they used to call it part of the family but I think it's been left in by mistake as the XWB is totally differant now!
If the spin-doctors in Airbus's PR department made a mistake like this, they should be dismissed......I dont buy the ""I forgot"" arguement.
Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 14): Congratulations to Airbus! This is a very nice order, and it shows the A330 is still a very attractive option for airlines.
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 13): I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.
I agree on both counts - it is a nice order for Airbus, they need to keep pushing out A330s (and A320s) for a few more years while their successors are developed. I do think that these airplanes will be in high demand....there are many carriers who will need solutions while they are awaiting for their 787s and A350XWBs to be delivered.
25 Trex8: I've said it before and I'll say it again given some of those EK A346s were due for delivery in 07 unless A had already counted then as non existent
26 Scbriml: Exactly, and it was interesting that EK said another customer had taken the A346s and Airbus hasn't yet removed the order from their books. Some day
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