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Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 37904 times:

What had started as a harmless event, ended up with United's N772UA taken out of service...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...s+Boeing+777+pilot+goes+sadly.html

A United Airlines Boeing 777-200 has been taken out of service after a wayward celebratory water cannon salute for a retiring pilot.

For reasons still to be explained, instead of water, the fire trucks blasted foam at the 777. Both of the aircraft’s PW4077 engines are now being examined.



PH


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 37696 times:

What kind of damage can foam cause to engines? Is it an agressive liquid?

User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 37693 times:

Guess no more salutes  Sad



Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37548 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 2):
Guess no more salutes

I hope not. Hopefully they will just fire whoever made this expensive mistake.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37461 times:
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A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37336 times:

What a dumb mistake.  banghead  Does anybody have any idea of how long this a/c is out of service and how much $$'s this will cost UA? I hope it's back in service in a day or two (which I suspect) and they bill the airport management for the costs. As suggested above, perhaps this will end the water salutes for retiring pilots at UA. With today's tight airline budgets and time problems, any little thing like this may have to end, especially if any unexpected costs may be incurred.

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37332 times:

Yeah, and the article goes on:

The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

 Smile  duck 

Tony



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User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37225 times:

whoops a daisy! thats like mistaking a firework for a party popper and letting it off in someones face.  Wink

If it was his first day with the fire service the rest of the crews are never going to let him forget it! He'll probably get the nickname 'killer' or something.



Phoning it in from a place with no phones.
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37195 times:

N772UA? Isn't that the first 777 ever built? Jeez...nice job to the airport fire department...

 airplane B4e-Forever New Frontiers airplane 


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37203 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

Uh, huh..John Leahy was sriving the truck that shot the foam...I guess that Airbus has found a new way to stop 777s from flying!! Just kidding!!



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37158 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 8):
N772UA? Isn't that the first 777 ever built? Jeez...nice job to the airport fire department...

No, N772UA is number 5.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 37155 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
No, N772UA is number 5.

Ahhh, I see, I see. Still, there's a big "mein bad" there.

 airplane B4e-Forever New Frontiers airplane 


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36700 times:

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Reply 1):
What kind of damage can foam cause to engines? Is it an agressive liquid?

Nasty stuff yes - it is extremely unpleasant and most definitely NOT the type of thing you want in your engines.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36613 times:

Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?  Wink

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 36550 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?

LOL!!!! Quality!!! Big grin



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 36307 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.

Chillax!  Silly the PW4077 is a great engine for UA because on the standard 777-200A's that do flights such as MUC-IAD FRA-IAD etc. and a maximum of SFO-NRT their MTOW is much lower anyways meaning the weights lifted are not requiring the same power as from the PW4090 like the 777-200ER's.

BTW PW4077 is a very light engine and has proven itself very good with UA.

Cheers Leo Big grin



Happiness is V1 in Lagos
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 35977 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
Does anybody have any idea of how long this a/c is out of service and how much $$'s this will cost UA? I hope it's back in service in a day or two (which I suspect) and they bill the airport management for the costs.

There's no doubt that UAL will be sending someone else the bill for this snafu.


User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 35904 times:

Hahahah! That was a salute for the plane too then!  Big grin

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 35299 times:

In the words of one Homer J. Simpson


Doh!


I wonder if the Fire Department has to pay for the repair?

Will we start to see the Garden Hose or Squirt Gun salute?


-Carl



If Your Dying Were Flying
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 35119 times:

Accidents do happen, I guess the guys were over excited. Costly mistake, bet they won't do that again


Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 34959 times:

Several years ago a similar event happened to a Delta 777 in Atlanta where the captain was retiring. As the aircraft taxied in, the fire trucks sprayed an arch of water over the airplane and the plane hit one the trucks with a wing tip.

User currently offlineLostmoon744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 34121 times:

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 18):
In the words of one Homer J. Simpson


Doh!


I wonder if the Fire Department has to pay for the repair?

Will we start to see the Garden Hose or Squirt Gun salute?

Personally, I'd love to see it done with squirt guns in the future. Too funny.


User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 32761 times:

I get a visual of "The Christmas Story" when Ralph was helping his dad change the tire....

Same thing when the guy hit the valve for the cannon...

"Ahhhhh..... Fuuuuuuuuudddddddgggggge."

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?

 rotfl  Possibly the best asked question on A.net!!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 31865 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

That's hilarious. Interesting to see what the driver will do when an LH 748 lands at IAD in a few years..lol


User currently offline77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 31446 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 16):
There's no doubt that UAL will be sending someone else the bill for this snafu

I doubt it. An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad. If the taxpayer is required to pick up the tab, I am sure these type of salutes would be unfortunately stopped pretty fast.


25 FlyDreamliner : His mission is to stop the 777 at any cost.... since he can't do it by outselling it, he has to sabotage them.... one at a time. Probably drive the f
26 RoseFlyer : I think you are being insultive. The engine was the first engine of anywhere near the power in a commercial application. It was a revolutionary engin
27 C680 : Unless they requested water and got foam. Then UA has a pretty good case.
28 LHRspotter : "According to Flight sister product ACAS, the aircraft was delivered new to United toward the end of 1994. No damage has been reported in the aircraft
29 PlaneHunter : N772UA was delivered in September 1995. The first ever B777 delivery took place in May 1995, so it's a bit amateurish that they talk about "toward th
30 RP TPA : I disagree. I'm sure some people at United will be doing plenty of saluting. The one-fingered kind.
31 Post contains images SpruceMoose : That would be Q6 or Q7 of 1994, right? -SpruceMoose
32 BA787 : Quite funny though , bet the fireman feels so stupid
33 Cessna057 : No plane deserves to be taken out of service.
34 UnitedNRT : The aircraft as Qantas described is very efficient at what stages it operates and is more efficient than the dash 200ER in terms of CASM.
35 RoseFlyer : The plane did have a lot of hours of service on it before delivery to United. The first 5 777s went through an extensive testing procedure as the 777
36 LMP737 : Three years ago at SNA a firefighter did not set the brake on his fire truck. It then rolled into an AA 757 damaging the forward r/h wing body fairin
37 Post contains images RedFlyer : It has a very unique and appropriate tail number. If it was #5, what were the tail numbers on the birds delivered before it? Or was it delivered out
38 Jetfixr757 : The foam is known as A triple F or AFFF, it is a non corrosive protein, they probably will get away by doing a boroscope and a water wash, however the
39 Ncelhr : FD's probably insured so the insurance will pick the tab.
40 United777atGU : We really need that plane back in service right now with all the 777s flying right now, the increased capacity for the season, and our IAD-KWI runs...
41 AirEMS : From: The Great Employees of United Airlines To: Dulles International Airport ARFF Crews: We just want to tell you that in our eyes your number 1! He
42 MCOflyer : This could have been avoided, but people do make mistakes. Hopefully the consquences won't be bad for the guy who was responsible for the loading. I w
43 PlaneHunter : The first ever B777 to be delivered was N777UA (s/n 007) - even a more appropriate number than N772UA. UA delivery schedule for 1995: N777UA (s/n 007
44 Zvezda : Who normally pays for these? I hope it's not the airline i.e. the passengers or the airport i.e. the taxpayer. If the pilot's union pays for them, th
45 ATCGOD : It's been my experience that government entities (local, county, port authority, etc.) are self-insured. So whoever the fire department is connected
46 Post contains images N774UA : And the oldest one in the UA fleet is N774UA. It first flew in July 1994. For testing that is. Regards N774UA
47 Post contains images ThePalauan : Are they sure it wasn't Ashton Kutcher? I can see him holding a sign in front of the plane saying that the captain just got punk'd. Ahh lucky thing t
48 Post contains links Leelaw : Update to the story posted by Udo last week: "United Airlines unitentional foam salute that damaged Boeing 777 meant as water salute, says Dulles fire
49 STJ : I agree, the FD does this as a courtesy and at the airlines request so even though it was an accident and it was the FD fault they shouldn't be liabl
50 BAW716 : I guess the only thing I can say is, OOPS!!! baw716
51 Post contains images Wukka : Just out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know where the original Boeing reg N77702 went after flight testing? I'm guessing part of the UA deliveri
52 Post contains links and images Myt332 : Would you believe me if I said it's with Cathay now? View Large View MediumPhoto © K.L.Yim The original reg of the prototype was N7771 also.
53 Wukka : Wow! How did you track that gal down? I've had nothing but dead-ends trying to find what happened between construction to current placement. Did she
54 PlaneHunter : N7771 spent more than six years with Boeing as a B777-200 (06/1994-12/2000), was re-engined from PW to RR powerplants (first flight 11/2000) and deli
55 Pilotaydin : what's the big deal, your country has so much friggin money if you go all out then expect things like this to happen, no one's perfect. Some of you ar
56 Post contains images Wukka : Thanks PH. Great info, but I was looking more specifically to the story of Boeing reg # N77702 before she got re-registered with her actual delivery
57 PlaneHunter : I can't find anything B777-related for N77702 either - all I can find is N7772 (s/n 002 - the second B777 built) which is active as N774UA today. It
58 RDUDDJI : I missed this thread earlier. I happened to wander out to the scene when this happened. There was so much foam on the a/c that the pilot could not see
59 Post contains images Wukka : I always gave this pic credit to N774UA, as well, but dammit! The reg is quite clearly (per the console): BOEING N77702 EN-CB on what appears to be a
60 Post contains images Electech6299 : Hmm, the article's pretty specific about ending foam salutes, but it seems pretty light-hearted. That still leaves open the question of water salutes
61 HAWK21M : Amazing. Serious error there. regds MEL
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