Cdekoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
And don't forget Martinair... The Other Dutch Airline
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AMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Keep in mind that Transavia Airlines also is a big Dutch carrier. Transavia has become a LCC with operations from Amsterdam, Rotterdam and charter flights out of other Dutch airports.
OwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
I do not think a new independent airline will pop up in the Netherlands. The dominance of the KLM Group (KLM, KLM Cityhopper, transavia.com and partially Martinair) is too strong. For a small company like Holland, however with 16,000,000 inhabitants, new independent airlines face extremely heavy competition from those national established airlines and LCCs from abroad like Ryanair and easyJet. Attempts like Netherlines, V-Bird, Air Holland and Dutch Bird ended up unsuccessful or were sold. Dutch ArkeFly is related with the TUI group. Belgian-Flemish company VLM Airlines (with Dutch owner Jaap Rosen Jacobsen) is an exception and is doing very excellent as a regional niche airline operating from Anwerp, Rotterdam, Luxemburg and Mönchengladbach.
OwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
Forgot to mention that Dutch airlines suffer heavy competition from foreign airports like Brussels, Liege, Düsseldorf, Paderborn and Köln-Bonn. Especially the German airports are favorite to the Dutch who live in the east and south of the Netherlands because of their easy accessability, much lower parking fees and airport taxes. Those foreign airports are reachable within a 1 or 2 hours cardrive.
Schiphol is an expensive airport to travel from, busy though comfortable and safe but situated in a very traffic jam sensitive area. Düsseldorf is my most favorite airport: cheap, spacious and friendly.
South Netherlands based Eindhoven Airport is booming and is the second busiest Dutch airport and is becoming a serious alternative for competitive airports like Brussels, Liege, Düsseldorf and Köln-Bonn. Rotterdam is in favour to transavia.com and VLM Airlines and is now transavia's second Dutch base. Netherlands' most southern based airport Maastricht Aachen Airport (some 30 km North from Aeroport Liege) is trying hard to play a role again and is, with the help of its province Limburg, attracting industry to its airport.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Quoting OwlEye (Reply 4): Belgian-Flemish company VLM Airlines (with Dutch owner Jaap Rosen Jacobsen) is an exception and is doing very excellent as a regional niche airline operating from Anwerp, Rotterdam, Luxemburg and Mönchengladbach.
VLM havent served Monchengladback for some time - think maybe since Air Berlin started flights there (before moving later to DUS)
Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5): Netherlands' most southern based airport Maastricht Aachen Airport (some 30 km North from Aeroport Liege) is trying hard to play a role again and is, with the help of its province Limburg, attracting industry to its airport.
MST is loosing Easyjet however which is a big blow. That leaves KLM to AMS and LHR as the only scheduled services I think
Cdekoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
As for some regional traffic, aren't there any plans to expand Lelystad Airport? Would that lift some of the pressure off of Schiphol?
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Lfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3195 posts, RR: 31 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1594 times:
As for Lelystad, plans were shot down by the gov't to make it an airport. ( as I recall, read it in De Telegraaf... and my dutch is somewhat sketchy not too bad though)
Leo
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1402 times:
If, any only if, KLM/AF would seriously start cutting back on European and/or LongHaul services out of AMS.....then there is the possibility that a new major Dutch carrier would develop. The Netherlands is a small country and does not have the populaiton to support a second carrier: consider that KLM was one of the first airlines to look beyond their local market to compete in the world market, connecting cities world wide via the very successful AMS hub - only because of this vision did KLM develop into the major airline that it is today.
We could see the expansion of the transavia concept (AF seems to have finally noticed that the transavia product is a success) and/or some other low fare or smaller dutch carriers emerge (especially serving the often forgotten about dutch regional airports such as MST), but KLM will continue to be the one and only major airline of the Netherlands for the foreseeable future.
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