8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1319 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10297 times:
Chicago and Nairobi have been recently announced to start in 2007, but does anyone know of any other routes Virgin Atlantic are hoping to serve?
At the moment they are receiving a new A346 every month. Does anyone know how many they ordered?
Surely with these new aircraft arriving, new routes should be announced more frequently? Or are these aircraft replacing older ones?
What is the situation with Rio de Janeiro? Will Virgin ever fly there?
I can imagine these destinations in the long term:
Beijing (hopefully to start before the 2008 Olympics!)
Mauritius - although, I think they are starting that already, but for some reason it cannot be booked on the website!
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10266 times:
Quoting B742 (Reply 1): LGW-MRU starts in November 2007 (B744), perhaps you cannot book flights as of yet.
I guess that makes sense. Nov 2007 is quite a while away!!
I too hope they serve MEL, although I feel if BA cannot manage it, I don't see how VS can, unless they set up a codeshare with Virgin Blue? At least BA had the advantage of being a OneWorld partner with Qantas so would allow for onward connections.
I don't think they could set up this route based on O & D traffic. There just isn't enough between these two cities as well as the 2 x daily Qantas route.
DJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9566 times:
Quoting B742 (Reply 1): MEL has been mentioned on several occasions, although rumours only.
If they start a service to Melbourne, I wonder if they would think about starting a service to BNE. Virgin Blue have a nicely sized hub here in Brisbane so inbound passengers could easily connect onto tourist destinations such as CNS, or even get a train direct from the airport to the Gold Coast (saves needing to fly to OOL).
If VS play their cards right, they could easily make the service work, and would bring back the BNE to London (whether it be LHR or LGW) since BA stopped serving BNE 6 years ago now.
MCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9449 times:
Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 11): VS are starting a new MAN-MCO service next year probably to contend with AA's seasonal MAN-MIA route. I know MCO is ot MIA but VS are a premium leisure airline
VS has been flying MCO-MAN year-round for many years now, and is arguably a more established route than MIA-MAN given the latter is only a seasonal service. Unless you mean that VS is starting a second daily MCO-MAN...?
Also, I would contend that these two routes are quite different with very little overlap, not many people who can afford VS would opt to fly into MCO and then drive to Miami. Just my two cents...
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6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3345 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9310 times:
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 13): If they start a service to Melbourne, I wonder if they would think about starting a service to BNE. Virgin Blue have a nicely sized hub here in Brisbane so inbound passengers could easily connect onto tourist destinations such as CNS, or even get a train direct from the airport to the Gold Coast (saves needing to fly to OOL).
I would think MEL would come online before BNE, and i cant see both happening at once, as the sector requires 3 aircraft for a daily service.
I think a few options could be MEL via BKK, or even via PEK when rights become available. MEL has equally as good a hub as BNE, with connections to more populated cities, such as ADL, Tasmania, canberra etc.
That being said, BNE desperately needs some China services, so perhaps an extension of a Chinese city to BNE??
The problem with an Indian expansion right now is that there is HUGE overcapacity in the market, and with the new Indian Airlines (and in particular IT) pushing on for international services (without thinking about the economics of it) it's a very tough market only getting tougher. That said, I would expect that - if VS chose another Indian destination - HYD (like someone mentioned above) or BLR would come before CCU; Calcutta might be an Indian economic up comer but it's still no BOM or so at all.
With QR, EK and EY adding new widebodies to their fleets on a daily basis practically, I think the yield environment here is gonna be tough. I think VS can keep their DXB service in the long run, but I doubt there'd be room for more M.E.
Quoting B742 (Reply 1): MEL has been mentioned on several occasions, although rumours only.
There is an excellent thread out there on this subject, a couple of months old I think. Basically, no one could seem to agree! Personally, I don't think so, again, yields are too low (which of course also has something to do with the M.E. carriers)
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 13):
If VS play their cards right, they could easily make the service work, and would bring back the BNE to London (whether it be LHR or LGW) since BA stopped serving BNE 6 years ago now
BNE could, like MEL, be interesting, but again, BA probably left because of poor yields, and I reckon they haven't got any higher in recent years - and they're certainly not about to.
Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter): Beijing (hopefully to start before the 2008 Olympics!)
They all seem very likely, also Rio could be cool (cooler than Sao Paulo anyway!).
Love VS, flying with them BOM-LHR in four days, can't wait, it was such a nice experience last time, even flying in Y!.. Sadly they don't use 346 on LHR-BOM, would love to try that a/c...
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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4971 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9052 times:
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17): The problem with an Indian expansion right now is that there is HUGE overcapacity in the market, and with the new Indian Airlines (and in particular IT) pushing on for international services (without thinking about the economics of it) it's a very tough market only getting tougher. That said, I would expect that - if VS chose another Indian destination - HYD (like someone mentioned above) or BLR would come before CCU;
The Indian markets over served from UK are MAA, BOM and DEL only.
If VS flew nonstop to AMD or BLR from LHR, they will make money on both routes due to lack of nonstop flights. Only BA flies to BLR nonstop from LHR, where as no Western carrier except for KU flies to AMD.
If they were to start PHL, I see a couple of things hindering them from doing so.
1) Available space at PHL, although you did mention that this was a long term possibility. Maybe something will open up, because I believe gate space is an isssue here, but I believe I could be very wrong on this. What about US and WN growing PHL there, and airlines like DL playing musicle gates/slots regarding the US/WN expansions?
2) Suppose they start PHL service from either LHR or LGW. They would compete with BA and US respectively. However, given the massive international O&D, this might not be such a problem...
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HUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8726 times:
I know it wouldn't ever happen, but wouldn't you love to see VS metal flying over Maho Beach! An amazing site that would be. Realistically though, could anyone else see Virgin fly to Honolulu? That might be better suited to LGW though. Or maybe Osaka. I don't know, purely guesses. As for South America, I think it would be a matter or when rather than if.
: By the way Virgin is adding an extra flight a day to Barbados to offset the closing of the old BWIA and start up of Caribbean Airways starting in Apri
: Gate space should not be a problem for one daily flight leaving with the European bank, at least now that we got the Int'l terminal open. DL and WN a
: [quote=MSYtristar,reply=5]You better believe that I spoke with the flight crew of the VS A346 that was here yesterday and got their thoughts on VS ser
: Why does India get mentioned so often, Pakistan is underserved and is one of the main types of traffic that the likes of EK, QR and EY carry onwards a
: BA did MEX-MSY-LGW with the L15 in 1982...before that, NA flew MSY-CDG/AMS for a short while in 1979. Besides that, just charters, and the interchang
: Yeah, what am I thinking??? They'll go to A-west I am sure. Duh! The DOMESTIC gates are the ones that are a nightmare
: Gate space surely wouldn't be a problem in A. The only reason US is squawking so loud about not having enough international gates (pre-DL takeover pr
: Wonder if there would be any expansion from GLA if their short MCO series does well
: Ek-a380 perhaps "Security issues" have a lot to do with it??? If yo see what I mean.
: VS have been flying MAN-MCO for ages! Is it extra frequency or something? No.... they're a scheduled airline, like BA.
: Yeah, I don't know why I thought there would be slot troubles. A-west is a brand new terminal that can easily be expanded... On top of that, your arg
: Thanks for the FYI. I never knew about that BA service. I thought NA flew some route to Europe for awhile, just off on my destinations.
: IMO they will fly to Rio by 2008. Agree 100% and Rio was on their past wish list. Felipe
: Strictly speaking, that might be the case, but India is not bigger that low yields/over served cities pull down the yields of the overall market. If
: MAN-MCO has been operating upto 9 weekly since July so perhaps we could be looking at going to 10 to 12 weekly? The potential routes for them ex-MAN r
: I saw a photo on a.net of 4 VS 744's at MCO. Pretty awesome awesome sight. Almost thought it was London for a sec.
: It's just hard for me to believe that Virgin will ever open Vancouver. I even have some doubts about them flying into Toronto as well. Canada and UK h
: BA, VS, and QF (until nonstop service starts) have a big disadvantage on the Kangeroo route relative to hub operations like EK and SQ. The latter hav
: We should defenetly start taking over South America CCS to BOG and GIG
: Just throwing in a few VS wild cards here...: PHX SAN With increasing relations betwen U.K./Europe and Southwestern U.S., for instance Europeans buyin
: The loads on LHR-TLV flights on both LY and BA are very good. BA just upgraded it's day flight in March from 763 to 772 and is considering to upgrade
: Hmm.. to be honest I just don't think it's VS potential; guess it's a bit to short for their onboard product (and four-engined a/c).. Does BA do a "f
: Well asides Chicago, Nairobi and Mauritius which we know about, Rio has long been mentioned as on the wish list. HKG was supposed to get extra flights
: Oh as an aside - I've also heard a rumour from an impeccable source that the bmi A330 that got pulled from Mumbai services due to the cracked undercar
: The day flight operated by 777 offers all the 4 onboard classes and on the 763's there are all classes available besides F as the 763's don't have an
: There is plenty of business during the summer, although from YVR to London there are 4-6 flights a day to London between AC, BA, Z4, VZ & TS, not to
: Australia is booming and has been for some time - especially the Queensland Coast - and I suspect that BNE has indeed changed its yield profile to so