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DE 757-300 Takes Off With Open Window!  
User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19715 times:

Chack out what i found on www.planepictures.net

A condor 757-300 taking off in Malta with the F/O's window open!!
And I know that this in no way is legal!

http://flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=566294

Cheers Leo


Happiness is V1 in Lagos
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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19704 times:

Windows are to be closed and locked before the crew begins take-off, but if the window comes open, Boeing training procedures are to continue the take-off.

There is nothing mechanically wrong with the airplane, and its more dangerous to abort a take-off at high speed than it is to leave a cockpit window open. Once the crew is airborne, they can divert their attention to the window. The nose deflects air around the side windscreens, so other than some noise, they are able to function just fine.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19510 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
There is nothing mechanically wrong with the airplane, and its more dangerous to abort a take-off at high speed than it is to leave a cockpit window open. Once the crew is airborne, they can divert their attention to the window. The nose deflects air around the side windscreens, so other than some noise, they are able to function just fine.

at which altitude they could close the window at the earliest do you think?


User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19417 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):

I have known guys to fly big jets from MIA to FLL with the cockpit windows open, surprisingly enough, the air just rushes around the windows and doesn't actually blow you away getting inside, so it will be alot louder but as far as danger is concerned, very little, obviously the aircraft will not pressurize, but once airborne they can close the window quite easily.
Jet


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19372 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 2):
at which altitude they could close the window at the earliest do you think?

I have no idea of a specific FL, but they would likely take care of the window ASAP once they have taken off.

There's a video showing a clip from a Boeing training video where the exact scenario above takes place. I searched for it on YouTube, but the only clips I could find were dubbed over with Regge music and lame comments in Spanish or Portuguese  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19346 times:

Well, if they were taking off from TUS, PHX, LAS, or a similar desert city in the summer, I could definitely understand.  hot   melting 

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21512 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19243 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 2):
at which altitude they could close the window at the earliest do you think?

I'd think that once they reduce from takeoff power to climb power, one pilot would fly and the other would shut the window. That's generally at about 1000' to 1500' AGL, but can very by airport and airline.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19250 times:

did they delete that picture or why can I not access it?


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19178 times:

Does that cause a significant pressure problem compared to taking off unpressurized? Is the plane fully pressurized at the end of the takeoff roll?

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19122 times:

Bild ID existiert nicht.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19081 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 9):
Bild ID existiert nicht.

Habe ich auch gerade bemerkt.

I'm curious why it was deleted, such a pic would cause a boatload of hits, I hope to see it here on A.net.

Patrick

[Edited for typo]

[Edited 2006-12-16 01:37:58]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21512 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19058 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
Does that cause a significant pressure problem compared to taking off unpressurized? Is the plane fully pressurized at the end of the takeoff roll?

I'd imagine it would be similar to having an outflow valve stuck open, so the plane wouldn't be able to pressurize until it was closed, but other than that it shouldn't be a big problem, considering that as long as they got it closed before 7000', the cabin altitude would still be climbing after that point. Though the longer they left it open the more ear-popping there would be in the back.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 966 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18862 times:

It does get harder to close the faster the airplane goes but the positive differential pressure helps you close it. So as long as you begin to close it early, the increasing cabin pressure will actually help you close it. In testing it is actually not that hard to just turn the window crank and close it.

User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 18583 times:

that website did not work i checked for condor 757-300 but nothing showed up, but some my travel airways pics.


The sky is no longer the limit, but the mere minimum
User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 18566 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 2):
at which altitude they could close the window at the earliest do you think?

I would think the best time to close it would be right when the plane rotates, as that is the time when the most airflow is diverted from the windscreen.


User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18517 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 14):

I would think the best time to close it would be right when the plane rotates, as that is the time when the most airflow is diverted from the windscreen.

That would actually be the worst time. If a window pops open there is no danger however the pilots need to fly the plane first, stabilize the situation and lastly close the window.


User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18499 times:

jetphotos.net has a couple of closeups. Interestingly enough, two different DE 753's took off with the window open on the same day. The captions say that they are training flights, perhaps it was part of the training. I would link to the photos, but...


Josh



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18420 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 14):
I would think the best time to close it would be right when the plane rotates, as that is the time when the most airflow is diverted from the windscreen.

The nose diverts air around the side windows no matter what. Even after the plane is airborne, surprisingly little wind is felt inside the cockpit.

Granted, it's noisy as hell and the aircraft can't pressurize, but the crew isn't subject to tornado force winds or anything.


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18257 times:

It is no big deal. No problem at all.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17988 times:

The link is not working.
The Sound on Engine start would have alerted the crew that the Window was open.
Suprising.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17334 times:



 Wink



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17142 times:

Nobody saved this pic?

georg


User currently offlineAbleToFly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16738 times:

I really want to see that picture, but I can't find it?!

AbleToFly


User currently offlineExc47 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15903 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 7):
did they delete that picture or why can I not access it?

I believe it was deleted...
 Sad


User currently offlineToolman From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15702 times:

the comment says, it was a training flight. they do this to simulate crosswind take offs.

25 AirbusA346 : How can having a window open represent a crosswind take off?? Tom.
26 Moek2000 : He just wanted some "fresh air" that's all...
27 Lumus : This may sound dumb, but why would the plane be full of pax on a training flight?
28 BCNGRO : lol I wouldn't like to fly at FL400 like that...[Edited 2006-12-16 16:11:48]
29 EMBQA : What makes you think it was full of passengers...?? I see empty seats
30 Post contains images Legoguy : I think in the third picture, what you think are passengers, are actually just seats
31 Toolman : because there is a bigger resistance on one side of the plane.
32 Post contains links Wingnut135 : On most heavy aircraft the window is cranked open and closed, as well as on the 753. You can see the crank in this pic, just under the window, to the
33 2H4 : An open window would not produce even a remotely accurate representation of a crosswind takeoff. 2H4
34 LarSPL : it is not illegal to fly with an open window. you just cant pressurize the aircraft. it does not reflect a crosswind takeoff. just to correct some com
35 DavidT : There is a Boeing training video availble on the net somewhere that discusses exactly this. It shows a takeoff with an open window on a 737,75/67, 747
36 FSPilot747 : Actually, to simulate crosswind takeoffs, you find a windy day.
37 Post contains images EWS : No shit sherlock!
38 Post contains images FSPilot747 : I must have forgotten the [/sarcasm] tag. seeing as you took me literally
39 Post contains links AmericanAirFan : Maybe it's just an illusion but it looks like in this picture the Captain's Window is slightly open. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1094589/L/ Int
40 Cubastar : Actually, it is not a big deal. The DC9, MD80, 727series and I suspect the 757 series all have sliding windows, manual or otherwise. Many times in the
41 TransIsland : My post with the link to the photos on another site was deleted, but the registration is D-ABOK, it's a B753, it happened in LMML on December 13, 2006
42 Post contains links Maddy : Just take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZhOGmo3fC8
43 PillowTester : What a weird choice of music, I would have rather heard the captain shouting or whatever was happening in that video.
44 LHR777 : It's a sun-shade across the window. It's not open.
45 JAAlbert : That window looked open to me
46 Post contains links RyDawg82 : For those wishing to have a better explanation of what's going on in that video, check this out; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_87KqdX7PE Goes into
47 HAWK21M : Whats the logic. regds MEL
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