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Both DL And US Congressmen Oppose Merger  
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2941 times:

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/16239519.htm


Pretty much sums up what will happen when the DOJ reviews this issue:


Some of what is stated:
"WASHINGTON – Even though the new Congress won’t convene until January, key lawmakers already are preparing for hearings to examine the economic impact of possible airline mergers, some of which involved carriers that serve the airport in San Luis Obispo.

Many members of Congress are condemning the potential deals, while few if any are supporting the idea of industry consolidation. Congress has no direct role to play in approving mergers, but it could help sway public perceptions and increase political pressure on the Justice Department to reject the airline transactions on antitrust grounds.

Perhaps the most controversial of the potential acquisitions involves US Airways Group Inc.’s unsolicited $8.7 billion bid for Delta Air Lines Inc. The two carriers have routes that overlap significantly along the East Coast, and hubs relatively near each other in the West.

Congressmen representing Atlanta, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Charlotte, N.C. and other cities where the two airlines have major operations fear that a merger would wipe out jobs, diminish air service and drive up ticket prices, Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., said.

Concerns about a loss of competition grew dramatically last week when UAL Corp., parent of United Airlines, and Continental Airlines Inc. announced they are considering a possible merger.

US Airways and United Airlines provide service to San Luis Obispo.

In addition, AirTran Holdings Inc. offered to buy Midwest Air Group Inc. for about $290 million. With so many carriers now in play, the number of concerned congressmen is growing.

"We can voice our opinion," Lewis said "And because we all represent different parts of the country, speaking out could have a tremendous impact on what happens."

Last week, incoming House Transportation Committee Chairman James Oberstar, D-Minn., said that if it appears that the USAirways takeover of Delta would be going forward in the new year, he would hold a hearing into the matter. Teri Rucker, a spokeswoman for incoming Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii., said that panel also is planning a hearing.

Oberstar said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.

Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."

Michael Boyd, president of the Boyd Group Inc., an aviation consulting firm, agreed that Congress would become involved because so many lawmakers represent cities with huge stakes in the outcome. "There are a lot of dogs in this fight," he said.

Delta management opposes the transaction with US Airways, but if it were to go forward, the two carriers would have to drop routes to avoid expensive redundancies and overcome antitrust concerns. That could eliminate jobs and flights, especially in smaller cities, such as Savannah, Ga., and West Palm Beach, Fla.

"Any Georgia legislator who doesn’t stand up against this merger isn’t doing his constituents any good," Boyd said.

Indeed, many already have jumped into the battle, making floor statements and working behind the scenes in Washington to stop the merger. For example, Rep. David Scott, D-Ga., made a House floor speech shortly before the 109th Congress adjourned, saying that members of Congress should "do everything we can to stop this merger from going through on the grounds that it is anti-competitiveness, it is anti-consumer and it is anti-American."



OttoPylit

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Pretty much sums up what will happen when the DOJ reviews this issue:

If the creditors like Boeing and American Express don't blow it out of the water first, putting cold water on "Dougie's" massive ego!



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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
American Express don't blow it out of the water first

Yeah. I doubt AMEX will be too happy to hear that the new Delta would either drop them or force them to compete with Master Card.



/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Thanks for posting that man,

hope your're well Otto Merry Christmas to you and your family!

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 2):
Yeah. I doubt AMEX will be too happy to hear that the new Delta would either drop them or force them to compete with Master Card.

 checkmark  USAirways is big with Bank of America who issues a USAirways Visa card for their FF mileage plan. Recently Bank of America purchased MBNA which was the first "franchised" American Express card operator bank to issue an American Express card other than Centurion Bank which is wholly owned by American Express. The MBNA American Express Card won't make any where near the money for them that the current SkyMiles card does. American Express will take the risk of DL standing alone, which risk is far less than US acquiring them in the estimation of an increasing number of analysts. One other FF card note; rumor has it that American Express has been making a deal to allow Costco Wholesale Warehouse Club members to have their $85.00 fee waved completely with a paid Costco membership and the $135.00 fee for the platinum card waived with a paid Costco Executive membership (same rumor for the AC Aeroplan mileage card from American Express!). If such a deal were in the works for real, that would be so cool, but the proposed US takeover would put a nix on that very quickly since they would likely use the Bank of America American Express card rather than current the Centurion Bank issued card. Costco members should also let Costco management know they should also sign on to fighting this deal.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Politicians never do the right thing based on merits. They, by definition, are politicians whose sole goal is to get reelected and pander to their constituents. Would you expect anything less from your Congressperson if you lived in Atlanta? This by no means, means they have looked at the merits of the takeover proposal and made a learned decision.

Consolidate or die a long, slow and painful death.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5):
Politicians never do the right thing based on merits. They, by definition, are politicians whose sole goal is to get reelected and pander to their constituents. Would you expect anything less from your Congressperson if you lived in Atlanta? This by no means, means they have looked at the merits of the takeover proposal and made a learned decision.

Consolidate or die a long, slow and painful death.

Hey Bicoastal, try reading the entire thing before criticizing. If I remember correctly, it is the purpose of the politician to represent their constituents who elect them. That is their job and why they are being paid. Heck, one would think that Congressmen in US Airways territory would be all for this merger, but alas, they are not. They are all concerned about the same thing, protection of the people who elected them in those districts, protection from diminished air service and raising of ticket prices. So APPARENTLY, its NOT ONLY Georgia politicians! They have spoken to people, both in DL and US territory alike, and cannot come to a valid reason as to why this merger should happen. And even if DL did choose to die a slow and painful death, no harm to you, so what do you have to complain about?

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Congressmen representing Atlanta, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Charlotte, N.C. and other cities where the two airlines have major operations fear that a merger would wipe out jobs, diminish air service and drive up ticket prices



Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."



Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
"Any Georgia legislator who doesn’t stand up against this merger isn’t doing his constituents any good," Boyd said.



Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
For example, Rep. David Scott, D-Ga., made a House floor speech shortly before the 109th Congress adjourned, saying that members of Congress should "do everything we can to stop this merger from going through on the grounds that it is anti-competitiveness, it is anti-consumer and it is anti-American."

OttoPylit


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
If I remember correctly, it is the purpose of the politician to represent their constituents who elect them.

I don't believe in governing by poll. The average American is woefully misinformed about the vast majority of topics and their opinion should be discounted in all cases. Politicians should be voting based on what is "right" in their mind, not what will get them a few more votes or campaign contributions.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
Congressmen in US Airways territory would be all for this merger, but alas, they are not. They are all concerned about the same thing, protection of the people who elected them in those districts

They are listening to their constituent union members who work for US Airways. Unions are concerned about less union jobs (and dues paid to them) in a consolidated industry. Unions from Philly to Phoenix would never support a merger. So, congressmen in those areas are pandering, too. I'd rather my congressman make the right decision and not the politically expedient decision.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
They have spoken to people, both in DL and US territory alike, and cannot come to a valid reason as to why this merger should happen

Hmmm...maybe to make the right decision they should speak to people outside of Atlanta without a vested interest. Ever hear of an impartial perspective? I have no respect for anything politicians do.

[Edited 2006-12-16 04:30:31]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5):
Consolidate or die a long, slow and painful death.

Those arent the only two options.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
Ever hear of an impartial perspective?

Im not impartial because alot of peoples jobs are at stake. The economies of these areas will greatly be affected.

No one is impartial all the time. People have opinions. Thats the differenece between me and my cat Toby (and all of Gods other creatures). He doesnt have opinions. He just cares that I feed him and clean his box. That just people: we have opinions.

Im not impartial and Im not going to pretend to be. Based on your response, youre not impartial either, so dont pretend to be.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

They have these things called "spell check," "grammar check" and apostrophes. I am...I'm. You are...you're; do not...don't; That is....that's.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5):
Would you expect anything less from your Congressperson if you lived in Atlanta? This by no means, means they have looked at the merits of the takeover proposal and made a learned decision.

I'm certain the politicians in all areas of the country are looking at this, and despite the usual pandering to constituents and the protecting union jobs issues, most will have enough sense to realize this merger proposal from Parker is "Consolidation from Hell!"

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5):
Consolidate or die a long, slow and painful death.

If this consolidation were to go through, the death for both carriers will be inevitable. Parker's business model for this is extremely flawed and even the most insulated or benign politicians will be able to see right through it.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 7):
Politicians should be voting based on what is "right" in their mind, not what will get them a few more votes or campaign contributions

Exactly what I was saying! They are voting on what is right for the people that live in their districts. That is their job. I vote for what is right for the people in my district, you vote what is right for the people in your district. Whoever comes out on top is the winner. Welcome to the American voting process.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
Unions are concerned about less union jobs (and dues paid to them) in a consolidated industry. Unions from Philly to Phoenix would never support a merger.

Umm, shouldn't the unions at US Airways be all for this merger? Of course they should. Delta is a non-union airline, which means that US should be able to staple all DL people to the bottom of their seniority lists and *POOF*, they have new members to pay dues. Its interesting how easy that works out.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
Hmmm...maybe to make the right decision they should speak to people outside of Atlanta without a vested interest. Ever hear of an impartial perspective?

I see that you are NOT listening. I'm getting tired of repeating myself, but here we go:

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."

Pay close attention to where it says, "I've heard from members on BOTH(key word there) sides of the aisle". Note that the word 'BOTH' means on each side of the argument.

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Last week, incoming House Transportation Committee Chairman James Oberstar, D-Minn., said that if it appears that the USAirways takeover of Delta would be going forward in the new year, he would hold a hearing into the matter. Teri Rucker, a spokeswoman for incoming Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii., said that panel also is planning a hearing.

In this particular instance, feel free to note that neither party represents ANYONE in ANY of US or DL's precincts, yet, they see red flags flying already. Oh, and gee whiz, both(there is that darn word again) of these people live outside of Atlanta and have no vested interest.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 8):
I have no respect for anything politicians do.

Which has just shown what bias all of your posts hold and your attitude towards politicians actions just of what position they hold. To take a quote from a friend of mine, "Credibility, meet window." Thank you.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
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Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11):
Parker's business model for this is extremely flawed

Actually his business model for the merger itself is quite sound : grab DL while you can get it for $8 bil ... 'cause if you wait 'til after BK is completed, it'll cost 12-16 bil, which he can't afford.

His business model for what to do after he's got it? Well, that's a whole 'nother story ...

As for his reasons? I'm firmly convinced he thinks DL is gonna trounce his rear with its stronger post-BK position, and vastly lower costs.

Ie : remove the competition rather than come up with a competitive product ...

- litz


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 13):
His business model for what to do after he's got it?

   Which is my point. $8.6 Billion (USD) isn't going to be the Snake-Oil he thought would win over the larger creditors however. If he could come up with $10-11 Billion (USD) then the money talks and the BS walks.
Even then I doubt the DOJ anti-trust regulators will let him keep very much of it, which is why this is such a risky proposition and why so many of the politicians are taking the positions they are, being against this whole idea.

[Edited 2006-12-16 21:28:30]


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User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Of course, the Congresscreatures also expect the taxpayer to take a multi-billion-dollar bath on the taxpayer loans and payments Delta used to stay flying after 2001 (and that US almost defaulted on before the AWA merger, for that matter).

The government shouldn't have a role in this business discussion one way or the other -- the fact that Delta's going to use the government to prevent them from paying the price for their poor business skills is pretty illustrative of the fact that they have no long term plan for returning to profitability. The second bankruptcy, as a result, is going to be extremely painful and will probably result in a Delta liquidation.



"Hey guys, Delta is OUR Delta right now." -- Unpaid Creditors
User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting USAirPlatinum (Reply 15):
Of course, the Congresscreatures also expect the taxpayer to take a multi-billion-dollar bath on the taxpayer loans and payments Delta used to stay flying after 2001 (and that US almost defaulted on before the AWA merger, for that matter).


DL never even applied for the ATSB loans after 911. US and HP were the two biggest carriers that received them. In fact, HP was very close to ceasing operations without them. That money has now been refinanced through hedge funds and is in effect helping finance the hostile takeover.

Your case is for no government intervention in the industry. Ironic that if that was the case both US and HP would likely be gone and DL and most of the rest of the industry would be strong and healthy.


User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Oh, I opposed the ATSB loans for US and HP as well. But today is today -- and if you check the register, Delta did receive massive "stabilization" payments from the US government, larger than HP and US combined.

The whole "avoid a merger" mania is forcing Delta to take their eye off the ball. They're throwing together a desperate plan for the next six months to avoid being a merger/takeover target, and ignoring everything going on around them. With a UA/CO merger in the works, the Airtran/Midwest proposal, etc., they're totally open to have the domestic network (the only profitable part) savaged.

Mix in CO's transatlantic network and UA's transpacific network, and an anticipated decline in European travel due to tax increases, AND probably increases in fuel costs, and Delta's looking pretty shaky going into 2007. US would offer cash and break-even with the two companies merged together, but apparently the DL folks favor their pride over stability. That's fine for me, but I don't want to hear complaining when the second Chapter 11 rolls around and Delta's viability is once more in question.



"Hey guys, Delta is OUR Delta right now." -- Unpaid Creditors
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
Oberstar said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.

Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."

Oh cut it out with the "lack of competition" crap. Is it 2000 all over again?!? Jeez, these politicos have their heads so far up their constituents ass it's sickening. We all know one of the shuttles will be sold. But with the plethora of LCCs up and down the east coast (airTran, anyone? Southwest, anyone? Spirit, anyone? jetBlue, anyone?) there will not be lack of competition.



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User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Wait a minute, the story here keeps changing.

First, I learn that US is a piddly regional LCC with no real international presence, who cannot hold a candle to Delta's 300 city empire, lacking flights to many of those destinations. Then I hear the competitive overlap will be overwhelming and create a monopoly.

Which is it?



"Hey guys, Delta is OUR Delta right now." -- Unpaid Creditors
User currently offlineStarCityFlyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Seems like to me that everyone in this debate needs to take a few steps back and cool off a little. The real issue here is, based on RATIONAL and INTELLIGENT examination of the two (or perhaps more) plans that are put before the Secured and Unsecured Creditors Committees, which one provides the greatest value to all parties DIRECTLY connected to the operating entity.

Delta, just like US Airways (old) and Northwest and United all found themselves in a financial disaster as a result of many factors. The legacy airline industry (IMHO) is pretty much in the twilight of its business model and whether we like it or not, we will probably see a lot of our old favorites go away.

What will traveling look like 25 years from now? We'll probably be seeing the likes of Southwest, AirTran, JetBlue and similar carriers going through a lot of the same difficulties that the Deltas, Uniteds, US Airways and Northwests are going through today. Again, just MHO.

I've flown Delta and US Airways for many years. Both have some incredibly talented people and if you take a step back from the emotion, think about what might could be if you put those talented people together to forge a world class carrier.

No one wants to see anyone loose a job and certainly in mergers and acquistions, that inevitably happens. Perhaps we might be reminded of what Lee Iacoca said to the folks at Chrysler many years ago. "Gentlemen, I have X number of jobs at this pay scale or I have X minus this number of jobs at your payscale. It's up to you to choose how many folks you want employed."

Just so you'll know, I don't have a "dog in this hunt" other than I hope the emotion will be taken out of the discussion for the benefit of rational, logical and reasonable consideration of all offers on the table.  crossfingers 


User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Quoting USAirPlatinum (Reply 17):
Oh, I opposed the ATSB loans for US and HP as well. But today is today -- and if you check the register, Delta did receive massive "stabilization" payments from the US government, larger than HP and US combined.

The whole "avoid a merger" mania is forcing Delta to take their eye off the ball. They're throwing together a desperate plan for the next six months to avoid being a merger/takeover target, and ignoring everything going on around them. With a UA/CO merger in the works, the Airtran/Midwest proposal, etc., they're totally open to have the domestic network (the only profitable part) savaged.

I have no idea what payments you are talking about. DL never received any government loans after 911. US and AWA did.

What you aren't acknowledging is that this merger mania was created by Parker and Tilton. No one else is interested. Once this deal dies the others will fall by the wayside.


User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

DL never received any government loans after 911. US and AWA did.

DL, and most other airlines, received payments direct from the federal government after 9/11 and a couple of other times. Being the third largest carrier, they received one of the highest amounts. It wasn't a loan, but a direct cash payment.

What you aren't acknowledging is that this merger mania was created by Parker and Tilton.

Yep, two strong, cash-flow positive carriers.

No one else is interested.

Actually, AirTran seems pretty interested. And whether or not the acquired are interested doesn't matter. Delta has stiffed its creditors -- they're now demanding a payoff of at least as much of their debt as possible.

Parker did this for the old US creditors with his transaction combining HP and US. He's got credibility and proven results for the creditors and investors alike. He has cash, equity, positive cash flow, earnings, and Wall Street backing. He's got what it takes to make it happen, and the fact that Delta doesn't like it really doesn't figure into the equation.

Once this deal dies the others will fall by the wayside.

That's a laughable contention. UA and CO were talking even before the US deal was announced, NWA has hired i-bankers to sell/merge the company, AirTran is on the prowl, etc., etc., etc.

There's too much capacity in the market, and the weak, heavily indebted players -- with DL at the top of the list -- are on the endangered species list. If there aren't consolidations and mergers of bankrupt organizations into solvent ones, there will be a wave of collapse/liquidation/firesales of assets instead -- with DL and NW at the top of the list of companies in jeopardy.



"Hey guys, Delta is OUR Delta right now." -- Unpaid Creditors
User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6144 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 6):
And even if DL did choose to die a slow and painful death, no harm to you, so what do you have to complain about?

He isn't complaining, just mentioning a possible outcome and illustrating the difference.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 12):
Pay close attention to where it says, "I've heard from members on BOTH(key word there) sides of the aisle". Note that the word 'BOTH' means on each side of the argument.

You have that wrong... it doesn't refer to both sides of the argument.

Where it says, "I've heard from members on BOTH(key word there) sides of the aisle", BOTH doesn not mean "each side of the argument" but, literaly, BOTH sides of the "aisle" in congress, i.e. that there is bi-partisan agreement... as in BOTH dems and republicans.



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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 18):
Oh cut it out with the "lack of competition" crap... But with the plethora of LCCs up and down the east coast (airTran, anyone? Southwest, anyone? Spirit, anyone? jetBlue, anyone?) there will not be lack of competition.

There will be a lack of competition for some smaller cities, which will see flight cutbacks and will not gain new airlines. Places like Gainsville, for example, has service on both Delta (to ATL) and US Airways (to CLT). If the two merge they will almost certainly cut back some service to Gainsville. And that is not the type of city that a jetBlue or Southwest would fly to.


25 USAirPlatinum : Places like Gainsville, for example, has service on both Delta (to ATL) and US Airways (to CLT). If the two merge they will almost certainly cut back
26 ORD : It's both. US does not have the international scope Delta does to Europe and South America. And US has no service to Asia. But the two airlines overl
27 USAirPlatinum : US does not have the international scope Delta does to Europe and South America. And US has no service to Asia. But the two airlines overlap considera
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