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AC And The A340  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10498 times:

Hello All, I have a question. Ive been looking at AC's Asian schedule from YYZ. It seems that the A343 operates flights to ICN, NRT (although soon to be 77W), PEK, HKG, and soon to PVG as well. These routes (except HKG) are on a A343. I know that the A343 has no inseat entertainment. Is it in the cards for AC to add AVOD or seat back TV's to the A343?


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User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

No AC A340-313X will have PTVS in Coach, however the A340-541 offer PTV and AVOD in Coach. AC will not be upgrading the A340s because they are going to depart the fleet starting next year. However A330-343Xs will be getting XM interiors with PTVS in all class.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 1):
AC will not be upgrading the A340s because they are going to depart the fleet starting next year.

I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?

Yeah they will be put on more routes for B777... Don't forget A330-300s will have PTVs too along with B767-300ERs and 200ERs..


User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1100 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10359 times:

I think 343s are replacing 2x 763 flights (that operated last summer) on Vancouver-Seoul and Vancouver-Osaka in Summer 2007.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

About AC's Asian schedule from YYZ, Are YYZ-PVG and PEK going daily starting this summer, or is it just seasonal? What about ICN as well?


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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10266 times:

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 1):
However A330-343Xs will be getting XM interiors with PTVS in all class.

What's the timeline for this? Are there any already with XM? I'm flying on one in January, but I guess that there won't be any by then (unless there already is?). I had the pleasure to fly an A320 with XM... loved it!


User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10245 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 6):

What's the timeline for this? Are there any already with XM? I'm flying on one in January, but I guess that there won't be any by then (unless there already is?). I had the pleasure to fly an A320 with XM... loved it!

I think it starts in June or July of 2007 I think. Accargo knows best, but I think its the summer time provided there is no bumps in the road.



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User currently offlineBradleycheuk From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

What made AC change to 777's and will any of their new 777's be going to Hong Kong because I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

Thanks
Brad


User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
What made AC change to 777's and will any of their new 777's be going to Hong Kong because I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

The 777-233LRs will be placed on that YYZ-HKG route as of Aug 1st 2007, but that could change.



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User currently offlineBradleycheuk From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Thank You for the heads up AC777LR, I guess i'll take another shot at AC for the summer. So are you a AC pilot?

Thanks Brad


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 9):
The 777-233LRs will be placed on that YYZ-HKG route as of Aug 1st 2007, but that could change.

What will become of the A345? Does anyone know about YYZ- PEK and PVG (if they are going daily after the summer)?

Sorry I know im full of questions, but im curious.



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

While many of us prefer one or the other major manufacturer, I doubt you can blame damned Airbus for any of the concerns you listed above. It is up to the airline how far apart they place your seats (usually the same distance in either plane type). I'm sure the toilets are not the fault of the manufacturer as I'm also certain Airbus is not responsible for the lack of adequate meals. Not sure how the galley in the 777 will make your food fill you up more. Sorry to hear of your horrible flight, but apart from AVOD, I'm not sure you'll see much of a difference with the new planes.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

Airbus is not responsible for cabin configuration, maintenance of lavatories and catering...


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User currently offlineBradleycheuk From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

My mistake for blaming airbus, but as any human being, we're prone to make assumptions. But for the time being, I'm real glad that AC is getting some 777's. Just a quick question, if I want to be a commercial pilot for a airline thats from the U.S. does that mean I must hold an american citizenship?

Sorry airbus

Thanks Brad


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 15):
comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.

They recently emerged from bankruptcy protection, and have decided to spend money.

Air Canada has been voted North America's premier airline I think a couple years running.. so they're doing something right.

Besides, AC has the Project XM going on right now, outfitting their A320 and 767 fleet with skybeds as well as seatback t.v's.

You can't transform an entire fleet over night.

Try and redecorate your entire house in one weekend -- bet ya can't do it.

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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 15):
comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.

Maybe in a perfect world that would be so, but the fact is all the big N American legacy carriers have been or are struggling, AC seems to have past these hurdles and is coming out of it nicely.

That said, relative to N American carriers AC will be industry leader or among them for putting in seat AVOD and the new interiors. Of course the 772/773 will come fitted this way. And the new "Executive First" service, that is not intended to compete with the full first class service of bedrooms an suites. It is a 2 class configuration and the new "Executive First" sounds like it will be an outstanding product.

All in all AC is not too far away from having its domestic/Canada/US fleet refitted with new interiors and AVOD as well as the new intl product, which places it well ahead of some of its US counterparts.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Worst aircraft I have ever flown on in 50 years of flying. Flew YYZ/BGI, air circulation was very poor, noise level was equivalent to the 707 and the ride factor was very rough, wings seem to not move with the turbulence. Use the 320 or 767 to BGI now, and will avoid 340 on future flights. I know that most of you will disagree, but that was one of the worst flights I have ever had, I equate it with the DC3


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User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8445 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
Air Canada has been voted North America's premier airline I think a couple years running.. so they're doing something right.

I can't understand why, whenever I have a choice other than Air Canada I take it. Poor IFE and bad service is Air Canada's hallmark in my opinion. Even a LLC like Westjet has better service and better IFE, although you don't get much food.



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User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8155 times:

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 19):
I can't understand why, whenever I have a choice other than Air Canada I take it. Poor IFE and bad service is Air Canada's hallmark in my opinion. Even a LLC like Westjet has better service and better IFE, although you don't get much food.

I agree



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8077 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?

777s will eventually replace every A340 in the fleet, as well as expand.

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
What made AC change to 777's

Superior economics, superior performance and a package that included 787s

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
What will become of the A345?

They will be going to a second tier airline. Kingfisher is a possibility.

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 14):
Just a quick question, if I want to be a commercial pilot for a airline thats from the U.S. does that mean I must hold an american citizenship?

You don't need to be an American citizen, but you do need to legally be able to work in the US and an airline isn't going to sponsor you for that given that they already have a surplus of pilots who have that ability.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
They recently emerged from bankruptcy protection, and have decided to spend money.

You forgot to mention something else. They are profitable.



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User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 354 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
What will become of the A345? Does anyone know about YYZ- PEK and PVG (if they are going daily after the summer)?

Sorry I know im full of questions, but im curious.

I personally don't have a clue but Sebring said in the reply 52 of Airbus And The A345, Boeing And The 772LR that they are going to stay because the risk of the resale value of a ULR plane.


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Living in YYZ I am bound to take AC again at some point since their flights go direct to more places from YYZ but a bad experience in the 90's which made me select CP, growing rewards with CanadianPlus and then AAdvantage, it will be hard to switch to Aeroplan when they are finding ways of cheaping out (i.e. expiring miles, lower availability of seats at normal point levels with more seats available for much more points, etc.) and when AAdvantage has so many more ways to earn and redeem points. For the life of me I can't figure out why AC sold Aeroplan... it seems like an important tool to control the program that says "we care" to customers and rewards them for their loyalty. Aeroplan needs some serious beefing up but with a relative monopoly in Canada I don't see it happening soon. I would really like to try out AC's new PTVs, T1-New, and 777s though.

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4840 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6786 times:
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Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
Try and redecorate your entire house in one weekend -- bet ya can't do it.

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25 Sebring : AC's entire fleet is being updated in one way or another. All narrowbody aircraft are getting new interiors with IFE at every seat. While IFE at ever
26 AirCanada014 : Aeroplan has more way of earn and redeem miles too beside flying.. Aeroplan has more than 100 partners hotels, airlines, rentals, stores, bank financ
27 Mk777 : what a/c will be used for the YYZ-DEL service, i am assuming they will start the non-stop service again??!!
28 Sebring : Unlike AAdvantage, Aeroplan is trying to change into a loyalty management program where you can earn points on a substantial portion of your daily ex
29 LAXdude1023 : My only beef with Areoplan is that its hard to earn miles to certain destinations (namely the Carribean). You have to buy into the higher booking clas
30 Threepoint : I assume you mean that you have to buy at least a 'Tango Plus' fare in order to earn 100% Aeroplan miles and status towards higher-level priviledges.
31 LAXdude1023 : Out of curiosity, how does AC fare against the other North American Carriers to markets in the US (ex. DFW, IAH, LAX, NYC, ATL, etc.)? I know that for
32 747433 : NYC and LAX get numerous 319/320/321s. LAX even gets the odd 767. AC is by far the largest carrier between Canada and the US and carries almost as man
33 PanAmOldDC8 : They are responsible for a very poor aircraft the A 340. Flown it twice never again. Worst flight I have had in 50 years
34 AY104 : If you guys are complaining about AC's premium cabin, take a look at American's. The past photos I have seen, make the 767 look very little better tha
35 ACDC8 : Please explain? The A340 has one of the quietest cabins of any airliner. 2-4-2 seating in econo is not too crowded. As far as any turbulence or "bump
36 PanAmOldDC8 : Flew it twice to BGI on AC found it noisy as compared to other aircraft, reminded me of the 707. The air circulation on both flights was poor. And th
37 Threepoint : I wonder if this is some sort of subconscious bias, as I've encountered no such thing on any 340's. Felt as smooth as any 747, 767 or 777 I've been a
38 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Wow, two flights are really representative to judge a type... The A340's cabin definitely belongs to the quietest in the industry - and I have never
39 PanAmOldDC8 : They are in my estimation, have not flown a 340 since 2003 and will not fly one, take any airline that doesn't fly them, I am not prejudiced against
40 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Sure, an A333 is so much different from an A343... PH
41 PanAmOldDC8 : As I said my personal feeling about that aircraft and having said that I wish you all a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year. May
42 Threepoint : Likewise? PanAmOldDC8 Age: 56-65 Occupation: Retired Tolerance sir, tolerance.
43 PanAmOldDC8 : Thanks for the vote of confidence. You see as you get older one sees things from a different perspective and my feelings about the 340 are born out o
44 C172Akula : Exactly what I was thinking. Asides from two more engines and some more fuel aren't they pretty much the EXACT same plane? By his reasoning the 333's
45 Multimark : The A340 AC flies are nice aircraft and the 2-4-2 Y seating will be sorely missed when the new 777 with its less than ideal 3-3-3 replaces them.
46 PanAmOldDC8 : No they are not. You can say all you want how similar they are but I will disagree with you until the ends of the Earth
47 Jimyvr : This works extremely well in Japan, which ANA and JAL teamed up with bunch of non-airline related partners.
48 Post contains images PlaneHunter : PH
49 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : I second that, however, that still does not replace some FOOD. What a "prestigious" award! But still congrats to them... Exact, minus the additional
50 ZBBYLW : I really dont get it. It is almost like we are saying the 747-400 and the Dash-8 are the same airplane. The 330 and the 340 ARE the same plane, with
51 Bradleycheuk : I personally never liked the A340-500 or 600. Their engines look unproportionate to their wings and body and the plane is loud. I havn't flown in the
52 Brilondon : My experience has been similar with AC but have also been involved in that nightmare of an airport in Toronto. They must hire the same people as AC.
53 Post contains images Bmacleod : How many flights have you taken on AC in the past year or so? If you happen to get on the few flights where service may not be at standard, that's un
54 Post contains links and images EnviroTO : Airlines, hotels, rental cars, and a credit card are standard ways to earn points on almost any program in the world. For retail Aeroplan only has a
55 Threepoint : The new AVOD is fitted on every AC seat - not just first and premium business classes. Can the same be said for AA? How often do you buy electronics
56 Cessnapimp : I completely agree. Those A340's are the smoothest planes around. The 777's are much louder on takeoff, esp. ahead of the engines. Much less buzzing
57 Mk777 : i thought after the deliveries of the 777 would start, AC would restart their YYZ-DEL non-stop with the A345. I guess i am wrong!!
58 EnviroTO : No. But the response was to a discussion about premium class service, not economy class. I buy quite a bit of electronics being in the IT industry an
59 EnviroTO : One more note, on the ORD-NRT flight our friends in coach had TVs at every seat with multiple channels to choose from. If they had taken AC they would
60 Yyz717 : Incidently, AC's sole "shorter range" 340-312 was due to leave the fleet for Air Madrid. With Air Madrid shutting down, it looks like this lone 312 wi
61 AC777LR : I think they are Neil, I check it out the other day and theat old 312 was in HKG and LHR and somewhere down south. They must just send it anywhere.
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