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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32690 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Delta's service between Atlanta and the Puerto Rican cities of Aguadilla and Ponce is being discontinued. Started last summer utilizing CRJ-700s, the last Atlanta-Aguadilla flight is 20 January 2007, as is the last Atlanta-Ponce flight.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4186 times:

Too bad. Hope they give those cities another shot once the 73Gs arrive. Might be significantly more capacity, but then again, also a boatload of additional cargo space, which is no doubt one of the main reasons the CR7s ops failed.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta's service between Atlanta and the Puerto Rican cities of Aguadilla and Ponce is being discontinued. Started last summer utilizing CRJ-700s, the last Atlanta-Aguadilla flight is 20 January 2007, as is the last Atlanta-Ponce flight.

I would assume most of the demand to these cities is from NYC, FL. Thus an ATL routing would not make much sense, even for connecting purposes.



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder how CO's route to PSE has been doing, given its especially crappy schedule (EWR departure @ 11:55 PM, PSE return at about 6 AM). I guess that BQN is performing okay, given that they have kept it for a number of years now...

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long.  sarcastic 

User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

B6 to PSE and BQN have always been great preformers. I would assume CO's are doing just as well. Does CO still run an NG on that route?


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
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yes, we run 738's on the routes......maybe a 73G sub now and then.


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User currently offlinePrinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

EA used to run 757s from EWR to PSE. It was a very popular route. CRJ 700 must have an important factor as to why these routes did not work for DL.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long.

Nevermind the fact that after La Paz, 4 more destinations will actually be launched before these two are discontinued  Yeah sure .

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..

Be assured I'll tell Grinstein personally that they made a mistake and should hire you, since you obviously seem to know more about doing market research than they do  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long

Woops - nothing anti-Delta, just a funny comment.

Quoting Prinair (Reply 8):
CRJ 700 must have an important factor as to why these routes did not work for DL.

I must agree here, the large regional jets just seemed all wrong for these markets. I honestly am very surprised that DL could not make these routes work, there must be demand, and with the zillions of connections available at ATL, I would have thought that DL would have no problems filling up the airplanes. When Delta announced its order for ten 73Gs, the PSE and BQN routes came to mind.....routes that probably can not (yet) support a 738 but dont work well with regional aircraft.

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 5):
B6 to PSE and BQN have always been great preformers. I would assume CO's are doing just as well. Does CO still run an NG on that route?



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 7):
yes, we run 738's on the routes......maybe a 73G sub now and then



Quoting Prinair (Reply 8):
EA used to run 757s from EWR to PSE. It was a very popular route.

Are the routes to PSE and BQN a success out of the NYC area because of the large Puerto Rican population that resides in the NYC area.....with little demand from other parts of the country? Just guessing and looking for a reason because, as I said above, I thought that DL would do well with these now cancelled flights.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder how CO's route to PSE has been doing, given its especially crappy schedule (EWR departure @ 11:55 PM, PSE return at about 6 AM).

You would be surprised how many pax (especially VFR pax) actually prefer time schedules such as this......AA and JetBlue (and Eastern in the past) all seem to do well with their late night flights between NYC and Puerto Rico.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally.

Ummmm, last I checked, Puerto Rico was still part of the United States of America.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32690 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

This is an example of two things:

1) Poor use of RJs. These should have been 738s.
2) The fact that as great a hub Atlanta is, it will still struggle to support certain niche, VFR markets south of the US.

Aguadilla and Ponce would work great (and do) from Florida and New York, but not really from anywhere else. Spirit Airlines will probably be flying to Aguadilla next year from Ft. Lauderdale.



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User currently offline77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..

I am sure DL did research on each route. When DL announced the expansion they said they would drop any of the new routes if they failed to develop at an acceptable level. They said if a particular city didn't work they would try another. No big deal, Id rather them make money then fly losing routes for the sake of saying they fly there. I am sure in the future you will hear of additional routes DL recently started and then dropped.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting 77411 (Reply 13):
No big deal, Id rather them make money then fly losing routes for the sake of saying they fly there. I am sure in the future you will hear of additional routes DL recently started and then dropped.

How many routes to the Caribbean has AC dropped over the years not being able to compete with the charters the many tour operators fly out of the Great White North?



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Aguadilla and Ponce would work great (and do) from Florida and New York, but not really from anywhere else. Spirit Airlines will probably be flying to Aguadilla next year from Ft. Lauderdale.

Which is why DL should focus on FLL as a focus airport as they have in the past. My intuitiveness tells me they could be more successful in the more populated parts of the Caribbean if they originated these flights from FLL rather than ATL, to these airports in Puerto Rico as well as others in the Dominican Republic nearby. If any U.S. carrier can compete with AA in the region it is DL, they just have to do a better job of playing their cards.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):

Which is why DL should focus on FLL as a focus airport as they have in the past. My intuitiveness tells me they could be more successful in the more populated parts of the Caribbean if they originated these flights from FLL rather than ATL, to these airports in Puerto Rico as well as others in the Dominican Republic nearby. If any U.S. carrier can compete with AA in the region it is DL, they just have to do a better job of playing their cards.

I understand what you are saying......and I agree that certain routes to the caribbean would generate more O&D traffic out of FLL or MIA than ATL, but I dont see it happening right now for a few reasons:

1. DL would have to rely almost totally on O&D.....Delta's service into FLL is not what it once was. Thats a tough market to break into, just ask US which has quietly completed its FLL experiment.

2. I dont think that opening an other hub or focus city is a priority for Delta...aside from the hubs, they are growing JFK and trying to rebuild their LAX operation - FLL would be yet another concern streching resources.

3. Spirit is growing its operations in these markets.....and while DL could crush Spirit if it wanted to, I dont think DL is in the mood for a price war and dealing with competition to open these routes. DL gave these routes a try out of ATL, they surprisingly did not work for whatever reason, so DL is moving on and will try something different. DL is willing to take certain risks out of ATL...its a different story in other markets.

4. And then there is AA to think about.....while AA did not over-react to the US FLL experiment, and AA has been rather passive concerning Spirit's growth at FLL, and AA has not directly responded to DL's growing Latin American network out of ATL since AA seems to be of the opinion that as long as AA rules at MIA, it will dominate in Latin America..........DL opening up new caribbean/latin american routes out of FLL (which is just 25 miles down the I95 from MIA) would probably provoke a major response from AA. Does DL want to get into that situation over a few routes out of FLL......I think not.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Nevermind the fact that after La Paz, 4 more destinations will actually be launched before these two are discontinued

I stand corrected.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Could DL try these cities in the future via MCO, maybe with their new 737-700s?

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