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First Pic Of New Pilatus PC-12 Glass Cockpit.  
User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18942 times:

All I can say is....... dayum.

Now you all will have to excuse me while I go change my shorts.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 768 File size: 114kb


 drool 

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User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18840 times:

That's impressive, for sure! For a turboprop, the current cockpit is already pretty simple, this is just astounding. I guess I don't know what avionics company makes this system, Garmin, Avidyne???

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18819 times:

Honeywell Primus Epic.

User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18794 times:

Wow, amazing cockpit! I have been lucky enough to be in the older version, but this one is quite impressive! Thank you for sharing.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18794 times:

I'm not a fan of all the glass these days... call me old fashioned.


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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18772 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 4):

Understandable. Purist at heart.  cool 

Cool thing about this system is has the capability of synthetic vision. Very cool for situational awareness.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18753 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 4):
I'm not a fan of all the glass these days... call me old fashioned.

You're old fashioned, but I kind of agree with you. With the exception of moving maps, which are great aids to navigation, I'm not sold that glass offers that many improvements over regular instruments. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this one, but I felt that the PC-12 cockpit before had a very good blend of glass and conventional instruments.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18667 times:

Looks like the Falcon 2000EZ, which in my opinion is the most advanced cockpit in the world.

User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18666 times:

Looks very impressive..  Smile

Lew


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18602 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
You're old fashioned, but I kind of agree with you. With the exception of moving maps, which are great aids to navigation, I'm not sold that glass offers that many improvements over regular instruments. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this one, but I felt that the PC-12 cockpit before had a very good blend of glass and conventional instruments.

Glass cockpits provide the possibility of active diagnostic messages being displayed on-screen as & when necessary -- something 'steam-powered' cockpits cannot do. They also could provide failover capability so that in the rare case when a screen goes dead, another screen can provide the same funcitonality, again something the old style displays cannot do. Looking ahead to touch-screens in the years to come, the possibilities are endless for more detailed diagnostics, T&A in flight on particular systems & subsystems, etc.

Glass cockpits are lighter and more reliable (no moving parts on the screen).

All of these are advantages.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18514 times:

Glass cockpits are for women.

Let's not forget that new Piperjet cockpit. How much pantyhose do you have to wear to need this? :



Tired of all these cockpits that are "ergonomic" and look like the interior of a lexus or other automobile. What happened to the days when you had to actually fly your airplane in one of these:


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18499 times:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 10):
What happened to the days when you had to actually fly your airplane in one of these:

I'm with you. I don't like the idea of designing the pilot out of the cockpit. I trust a human to fly a plane more than I do a computer.



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18473 times:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 10):
Glass cockpits are for women.

WOW... I ddn't realize that most airline pilots were women!  Wink



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18428 times:

Are they HUDs where you would expect the window shades to be?

Cool if they are.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 9):
T&A in flight

I guess I have to give a double dayum, they really are multiple function displays...

 Smile



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User currently offlineDash 80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18410 times:

Looks like the inside of a Swiss Spaceship.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 18400 times:

The thrust lever is simply amazing !


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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 18371 times:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 10):
Glass cockpits are for women.

 Yeah sure

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 10):
Tired of all these cockpits that are "ergonomic" and look like the interior of a lexus or other automobile. What happened to the days when you had to actually fly your airplane in one of these:

It's called advancement in technology, good luck trying to stop it.

Glass cockpits allow the pilot to fly the airplane more than if he/she were in an analog cockpit. Analog, you have to monitor systems as well as fly, increasing the workload. Glass takes care of monitoring, allow the pilot to, as you put it, fly the airplane


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 18322 times:

the piperjet cockpit is downright ugly. this thing looks too much like a nissan to me...


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User currently offlineSxmarbury33 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18302 times:

Im not that impressed it looks like one of those new Cessna panels beefed up and with two mfd's. If those are Hud's then I will be impressed.

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18250 times:

Quoting Sxmarbury33 (Reply 18):
If those are Hud's then I will be impressed.

I seriously doubt they are HUD's as these displays will have the capability of displaying synthetic vision.

Primus Synthetic Vision


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18206 times:

Please, insult glass cockpits all you want, but please show respect for the pantyhose.


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18087 times:

People who insult glass cockpits are just ignorant and haven't used them enough. The turn and slip indicator is old school too, should we go back to them? Heck why bother with VHF and VOR's, NDB's and HF all the way right. : Yeah sure

User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18056 times:

How can these things be bad if they reduce the workload for the pilot? I am not a pilot but it seems like the technologies being implemented are not just for the sake of technology...

User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18036 times:

Thats a kick ass cockpit, but it's on a damned single engine turboprop--- is there really a need?

User currently offlineEdmonchuck From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18003 times:

I have absolutely NO problem with a glass cockpit...as long as there is some good ol' backup. That is what scares me with that PC-12 rendering, nothing mechanical in sight...

I can fly OK with either, and I am OK with my penis size so I don't need to prove it with a 707 cockpit.


25 Threepoint : Sure, when the plane is flying 230 kts at FL300 in hard IFR - why not? Pilot workload increases little as you add engines - 99% of the time. Most of
26 Post contains images CirrusDriver : Old Fashioned!!!
27 Post contains images RiddlePilot215 : Us old "steam gauge" pilots like to call those...MFD's..... I for one am opposed to all glass cockpits....They're pretty and all...but Riddle just bo
28 CaptainTim : this cockpit looks just like Dassault's eASY cockpit system on the 2000EX and 7x but to be honest this isnt the most advanced... been on both and the
29 Pilotaydin : im with you there, it looks nice, but i think people should start with conventional cockpits and navigation, and THEN move onto these
30 APFPilot1985 : Wait until you shoot an approach right to minimums with one. Your opinion will change quickly. The amount of information that is presented in an easy
31 Post contains images PADSpot : Be careful! There are quite a few women present in this forum ... such statements have lead to virtual beatings before ... I've seen ugly scenes I th
32 Post contains links and images Planemaker : For just a little bit cheaper price point... these aren't too shabby either... Warrior III 172 Diamond Cirrus Columbia Not bad for single-engine airc
33 MCOflyer : Agreed. I like both gauges and CRT's. Thats pretty cool. MCOflyer
34 Threepoint : There will always be those who are reluctant to change and embrace new technology. The advent of glass cockpits in single engine trainers does more t
35 Blackbird1331 : After viewing Planemaker's post, I realize that the plane manufactuerers know that the future is here. This is what future airline pilots will need to
36 Edmonchuck : Something tells me that no matter how reliable the glass is, the lack of any mechanical back up will not get you insurance, expecially in the private
37 ATCT : I prefer the prior-PC12 Cockpit. Perfect blend of real glass and "glass". Kinda like AS 734's and DL's Md-88's. ATCT PC12, GREAT airplane btw!
38 Planemaker : Aside from that it would be very difficult, though not impossible (but highly improbable), for all that glass to go black as they are on different ci
39 Threepoint : As mentioned by Planemaker, there are indeed at least one each of an AI, ALT and ASI on each panel. The likelihood of both the PFD and MFD going 'bla
40 FSPilot747 : I've heard of it happening, as our mechanic has worked on a few all glass panels that went "out".
41 MD-90 : Right now I think that the G450/550 takes that honor. I'm not sure about the A380, but we'll see what the 787 has. Looks like an automatic tranmissio
42 CAPTYXU : Looks like a very user friendly cockpit with all the digital controls.....Very impressive
43 Captaink : I don't see what the big deal is. This is the world we live in, constant technological advancement, things will always continue to change whether we l
44 AirEMS : Ok so I'll be the one to say it...... The thrust lever looks like the automatic shifiter out of my Subaru! It looks very cool but one question.... Cou
45 Post contains images Planemaker : They have SVS/EV available that are improving in fidelity. I don't think that it will get much better until they develop a holographic SVS/EV. Yes an
46 Boeing Nut : See reply #32, you'll have your answer.
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