B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Lufthansa just announced that there'll be a nonstop flight from Berlin TXL to Washington Dulles IAD as from March 25th.
LH 414/415 will be operated by an A340-200 6 times a week. No flight on fridays.
Dep. 11.30h - Arr. 14.45h 17.30h - 08.00h+1
Lufthansa is kinda sceptical about the flight since all the previous Berlin - USA services were ceased after a short while due to a lack of profit.
I'm very surprised that they try it again but wish them good luck.
In IAD there'll be a lot of UA connection flights.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
Makes sense now since Berlin is the capital, so there are bound to be a steady stream of premium-class flying Government officials travelling between the two cities. I can understand LH wanting to cash in despite its misgivings.
On a separate note, I didn't think the A340 could fly into Tegel, if indeed that's where it's going.
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Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1186 times:
I also think that the A310 would be better for this route, but if they don't have any more in international configurations, than what other option do they have? They could lease a 767-300 from Condor, but that may be too much for just one route at this moment.
Here is the official press release:
Lufthansa flies nonstop Washington-Berlin; LH 414/415 begins March 25 -
Six flights weekly
Updated 11:58 AM ET October 27, 2000
NEW YORK (BUSINESS WIRE) - Lufthansa today announced nonstop service between Berlin and
Washington beginning March 25, 2001 (the start of the "summer" flight schedule).
The new service was announced by Lufthansa Chairman and CEO Juergen Weber at a ceremony at
Berlin's Tegel airport, marking the tenth anniversary of the resumption of flights by the airline to the
German federal capital. Six flights weekly will be flown between Tegel and Washington's Dulles
International Airport by a long-haul Airbus A340. Bookings for the new nonstop transatlantic
connection are available immediately.
According to Lufthansa CEO Weber, the new Berlin-Washington route not only connects the two
capitals. The Washington gateway, one of the major hubs of Star Alliance partner United Airlines,
says Weber, is "an ideal springboard" for Lufthansa passengers from both Washington and Berlin.
Through United, passengers from Berlin are offered convenient flight connections to more than 60
destinations in North America; passengers from Washington can connect to numerous German and
European destinations non-stop through Berlin.
Launch date for the US flights is Sunday, March 25, when the summer timetable 2001 begins. The
Washington LH 414 flights leave Berlin daily, except Saturday, at 11:30 am, and arrive in the US
capital 2:45 pm local time. Flights from Washington (LH 415) take off daily (except Friday) at 5:30
pm and touch down in Berlin the following morning at 8:00 am. The Airbus A340 seats up to 247
passengers, including eight in First Class, 42 in Business Class and 197 in Economy Class.
According to Thomas Winkelmann, Lufthansa's Vice President/The Americas, Lufthansa is
embarking on the long-awaited nonstop US connection to Berlin partly because of the incresing
demand as a result of the move to Berlin by the German government and a great number of
Winkelmann says interest in the route from the North American side has been high. "We're glad that
economic circumstances have finally made it possible to offer this highly anticipated service", said
Prospective travellers to Berlin can expect attractive inaugural fares to be announced shortly, added
From its Frankfurt and Munich hubs, Lufthansa provides one of the most extensive global networks
of any major airline, flying to more than 300 cities in nearly 100 countries worldwide. Named
"Airline of the Year" by Air Transport World, Lufthansa carries more passengers worldwide than
any European airline. The carrier was also recently tapped by Forbes magazine as the world's most
admired European airline.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
I started a post on this topic a few months ago. This one had been in the rumor mill for sometime now. There is a feeling that the German Govt. and some German companies promised LH so much business that LH is already making a profit on this. Also dont forget the goods that are being shipped too. If this route is a huge success look for ORD-TGL in the next few years. Another point of view now is that the people who are in business, fist and even economy class that fly from the US to TGL via Frankfurt, will provide more seats on the IAD-Frankfurt flight without LH needing to increase capacity in that market. As most of them now go via Frankfurt to TGL.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1083 times:
If I remember right, Tegel should be able to handle A340's ok. They have one runway that's around 10,000 feet.
Ditto to the others who noted that Berlin's new status as capital should help with transatlantic demand. It's already a big city--four million or so, with E-W united. Also, now that it's not an island, and they have a few years of reunification and infrastructure work behind them, there will probably be more corporate traffic as well.
Anyone know the timetable on the new Berlin Brandenburg airport? When is that supposed to open?
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B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
LH Chairman and CEO asked the companies who were shouting for the US service to help make the route profitable.
It might work due to a lot of biz and first travellers. Let's hope it does. Anybody knows if I'll be able to connect from other German cities via Berlin to IAD ??
When I put it in a LH flight planer, it always sent me there via FRA.
Sydneysider From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1065 times:
the new Berlin Brandenburg International Airport (BBI) is supposed to be open in summer 2007. that was the plan, but they have some problems with their holding group (financial companies from Frankfurt and a construction company, from Frankfurt too, I think) and so they´re behind the timetable for six months.
The plan was to close Tegel and Tempelhof and use just the single-airport BBI (formerly Schoenefeld), but there´re rumors that they will continue service to Tempelhof (given to his excellent city-location). Then we`ll have Tempelhof for the European business traffic (even LH is thinking about serving Tempelhof in the near future) and BBI for the International traffic.
That´s their plan, we`ll see what happens.