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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Lufthansa just announced that there'll be a nonstop flight from Berlin TXL to Washington Dulles IAD as from March 25th.
LH 414/415 will be operated by an A340-200 6 times a week. No flight on fridays.
Dep. 11.30h - Arr. 14.45h 17.30h - 08.00h+1

Lufthansa is kinda sceptical about the flight since all the previous Berlin - USA services were ceased after a short while due to a lack of profit.

I'm very surprised that they try it again but wish them good luck.
In IAD there'll be a lot of UA connection flights.

Cheers, B737-700

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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Interesting. Makes sense with United's hub and the alliance.

I thought they were waiting to evaluate the 757-300 or another aircraft smaller than the A340 for Berlin routes.

Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Makes sense now since Berlin is the capital, so there are bound to be a steady stream of premium-class flying Government officials travelling between the two cities. I can understand LH wanting to cash in despite its misgivings.

On a separate note, I didn't think the A340 could fly into Tegel, if indeed that's where it's going.


The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Yes, the flight is going to be out of TEGEL.

User currently offlineACVITALE From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Why not an A310. Would have the range. (PA used to fly them TXL-JFK and FRA-IAD) and lower costs and fewer seats!

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4652 posts, RR: 69
Reply 5, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

I think LH doesn't have any more A310s in international configuration, only some in domestic lay out.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

I also think that the A310 would be better for this route, but if they don't have any more in international configurations, than what other option do they have? They could lease a 767-300 from Condor, but that may be too much for just one route at this moment.

Aaron G>

Here is the official press release:

Lufthansa flies nonstop Washington-Berlin; LH 414/415 begins March 25 -
Six flights weekly
Updated 11:58 AM ET October 27, 2000

NEW YORK (BUSINESS WIRE) - Lufthansa today announced nonstop service between Berlin and
Washington beginning March 25, 2001 (the start of the "summer" flight schedule).

The new service was announced by Lufthansa Chairman and CEO Juergen Weber at a ceremony at
Berlin's Tegel airport, marking the tenth anniversary of the resumption of flights by the airline to the
German federal capital. Six flights weekly will be flown between Tegel and Washington's Dulles
International Airport by a long-haul Airbus A340. Bookings for the new nonstop transatlantic
connection are available immediately.

According to Lufthansa CEO Weber, the new Berlin-Washington route not only connects the two
capitals. The Washington gateway, one of the major hubs of Star Alliance partner United Airlines,
says Weber, is "an ideal springboard" for Lufthansa passengers from both Washington and Berlin.
Through United, passengers from Berlin are offered convenient flight connections to more than 60
destinations in North America; passengers from Washington can connect to numerous German and
European destinations non-stop through Berlin.

Launch date for the US flights is Sunday, March 25, when the summer timetable 2001 begins. The
Washington LH 414 flights leave Berlin daily, except Saturday, at 11:30 am, and arrive in the US
capital 2:45 pm local time. Flights from Washington (LH 415) take off daily (except Friday) at 5:30
pm and touch down in Berlin the following morning at 8:00 am. The Airbus A340 seats up to 247
passengers, including eight in First Class, 42 in Business Class and 197 in Economy Class.

According to Thomas Winkelmann, Lufthansa's Vice President/The Americas, Lufthansa is
embarking on the long-awaited nonstop US connection to Berlin partly because of the incresing
demand as a result of the move to Berlin by the German government and a great number of

Winkelmann says interest in the route from the North American side has been high. "We're glad that
economic circumstances have finally made it possible to offer this highly anticipated service", said

Prospective travellers to Berlin can expect attractive inaugural fares to be announced shortly, added

From its Frankfurt and Munich hubs, Lufthansa provides one of the most extensive global networks
of any major airline, flying to more than 300 cities in nearly 100 countries worldwide. Named
"Airline of the Year" by Air Transport World, Lufthansa carries more passengers worldwide than
any European airline. The carrier was also recently tapped by Forbes magazine as the world's most
admired European airline.

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Great news for Berlin!!! The city really deserves a nonstop transatlantic service.

the WorldTraveller

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

I started a post on this topic a few months ago. This one had been in the rumor mill for sometime now. There is a feeling that the German Govt. and some German companies promised LH so much business that LH is already making a profit on this. Also dont forget the goods that are being shipped too. If this route is a huge success look for ORD-TGL in the next few years. Another point of view now is that the people who are in business, fist and even economy class that fly from the US to TGL via Frankfurt, will provide more seats on the IAD-Frankfurt flight without LH needing to increase capacity in that market. As most of them now go via Frankfurt to TGL.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4661 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (15 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

If I remember right, Tegel should be able to handle A340's ok. They have one runway that's around 10,000 feet.

Ditto to the others who noted that Berlin's new status as capital should help with transatlantic demand. It's already a big city--four million or so, with E-W united. Also, now that it's not an island, and they have a few years of reunification and infrastructure work behind them, there will probably be more corporate traffic as well.

Anyone know the timetable on the new Berlin Brandenburg airport? When is that supposed to open?


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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

LH Chairman and CEO asked the companies who were shouting for the US service to help make the route profitable.
It might work due to a lot of biz and first travellers. Let's hope it does. Anybody knows if I'll be able to connect from other German cities via Berlin to IAD ??
When I put it in a LH flight planer, it always sent me there via FRA.

Rgds, B737-700

User currently offlineSydneysider From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Hey Jim,

the new Berlin Brandenburg International Airport (BBI) is supposed to be open in summer 2007. that was the plan, but they have some problems with their holding group (financial companies from Frankfurt and a construction company, from Frankfurt too, I think) and so they´re behind the timetable for six months.
The plan was to close Tegel and Tempelhof and use just the single-airport BBI (formerly Schoenefeld), but there´re rumors that they will continue service to Tempelhof (given to his excellent city-location). Then we`ll have Tempelhof for the European business traffic (even LH is thinking about serving Tempelhof in the near future) and BBI for the International traffic.
That´s their plan, we`ll see what happens.


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