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Spirit Airlines Changing Baggage Allowance  
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

From Spiritair.com

"For flights departing now through February 10, 2007, for each ticketed passenger, Spirit Airlines will transport two (2) bags as checked baggage free of charge.

For flights departing February 10, 2007 and beyond, for each ticketed passenger, Spirit Airlines will transport one (1) bag as checked baggage free of charge. "

Interesting, especially for cruise pax and caribbean pax

What do you think


I have no association with Spirit Airlines
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User currently offlineBhxfaotipyyc From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

What's the weight limit? 20 kg /44 lbs or higher?

Probably depends on your perspective, but I have always seen US carriers as extremely generous with baggage allowances. Most carriers in Europe have a limit of around 20kg /44 lbs in Y and 30kg / 66 lbs in Business class. Some, like Ryanair have a 15kg allowance only. Less weight means less fuel, or more space for paying cargo.

I'd say not a bad move at all by Spirit.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6959 times:
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Most US airlines are 2 bags @ 50lbs apiece ...

With one bag's allowance taken up by sporting equipemnt, et al ...

(ie: if you fly ATL-DEN on DL, you can have 1 50lb bag + your skis)

- litz


User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Just another way to nickel and dime people because they can't make money flying the airplane with the fares they charge, e.g. "9 cents."!

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Quoting Nkops (Thread starter):
Interesting, especially for cruise pax and caribbean pax

You raise two interesting groups:

With Spirit expanding its caribbean/latin american network, this is NOT going to be popular with pax on those services. Pax from the islands who head to SOuth Florida for shopping trips and pax living in the US who go home to the islands do not travel light. I think that most of us have heard the horror stories concerning certain BWIA and Air Jamaica flights that must leave lots of bags behind due to lack of room or due to weight issues. I think that Spirit may just ""piss off"" a key group which they are targeting for some of their newer services out of FLL....many of these pax travel with 2 or 3 (heavy) bags, plus boxes, plus carry ons, plus, plus......when a checkin agent advises the pax that one bag is OK, and the next 3 will be charged at X per bag, it will be all out war at the airport.

And, the cruise ship gang who also dont travel light....after all, 7 days on board means 20 outfits, formal wear, all different shoes, etc. Plus the souvieniers and junk accumulated while travelling. Again, it could get ugly because its unlikely that pax will be aware of Spirits new rules (no one reads the fine print or pays attention to anything, especially when booking on the internet....they get so excited with their $59 fare that everything else goes un-noticed....sad but true) and will feel ripped off at the airport.

Quoting Nkops (Thread starter):
What do you think

I think that Spirit is asking for a headache with this one.....especially since they are trying to develop a following in the South Florida-carib/latin american market. My opinion is that Spirit would be better off making their fares a bit higher and sticking with the 2 bag rule which most pax are familiar with.

Quoting Bhxfaotipyyc (Reply 1):
Probably depends on your perspective, but I have always seen US carriers as extremely generous with baggage allowances. Most carriers in Europe have a limit of around 20kg /44 lbs in Y and 30kg / 66 lbs in Business class. Some, like Ryanair have a 15kg allowance only. Less weight means less fuel, or more space for paying cargo.

Very logical and well reasoned......but a problem in real life. A pax in the US flying from LGA to FLL does not know or care what the rules are in Europe....US pax are conditioned to the 2 bag rule and ""little-guy"" Spirit will have difficulty changing this attitude. And, as mentioned, the pax going home to the islands for the holiday could care less what Ryanair does in Europe....they are flying home and are used to generous baggage allowances on other carriers (and then try to bend and break the rules further) and will have little patience for a one bag limit.

You are correct, but so what? In the real world, it will be a problem.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

I agree. The cruise lines will drop them from their carrier list. They don't us NK that much right now. But, after this goes in effect, they can kiss good bye to the cruise lines pass. And as a travel agent I know I'm going to hear some big time complaints from my clients that book their trip to FL for March 2007. This is what happens when you hire someone from the old USAIRWAYS. And put him in charge of things.

Chuck


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 5):
I agree. The cruise lines will drop them from their carrier list. They don't us NK that much right now. But, after this goes in effect, they can kiss good bye to the cruise lines pass.

Having worked for numerous Cruise lines in the past this will not effect of NK gets used or not. When Cruise passengers buy an air sea package they take what we give them, and they do it for the price and also to get round trip transfers.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):
Having worked for numerous Cruise lines in the past this will not effect of NK gets used or not.

Agreed.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):
When Cruise passengers buy an air sea package they take what we give them, and they do it for the price and also to get round trip transfers.

Again I agree....air/sea pax go for the convenience. And, usually pay a rather premium price for that convenience of ""one-stop shopping"" and the feature of not dealing with baggage from the moment of checking it at the departure airport unitl it shows up at the cabin.

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But (BIG BUT)....cant you see all of the air/sea pax writing letters of complaint to the cruise ship company and their travel agents (and anyone else who will listen) concerning how they were ""ripped-off"" by Spirit for excess baggage charges?

I agree with your reasoning, its 100% correct in my opinion......still, I can foresee this becoming a problem for Spirit when working with the likes of RCCL and Carnival.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Again, it could get ugly because its unlikely that pax will be aware of Spirits new rules

The funny thing is , we had no idea about this until a pax brought this to our attention today. When a BP is printed online, the baggage allowance automatically comes out with it.

I can see the 3rd problem group being the MYR pax with the golf bags. As a CSS, I am not looking fwd to Feb 10th and beyond!!!



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

From an insider's perspective, we had 141 bags on our flight this evening, a good chunk of those (50+ I'd say) from passengers transferring from RCCL's Grandeur of the Seas. Cruise passengers tend to travel heavy....but they are pretty good at sticking to the 50lb weight limit surprisingly...most come in around 47-48...but, they are still big, heavy bags that take up a lot of space in the bins.

This new rule, while destined to put a smile on the face of many a ramp agent, might not go over too well with the flying public. Just my opinion.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

So another question is why do this? They have low fares, and a lot of Carib. pax are flying, they are also as already mentioned, taking a lot of luggage, for which they are paying. The number of free pieces -2 - is at this time of year irrelevant, as most pax heading home to the Carib. are at 4 pieces min. and there is an excess baggage charge.

Guess the question is if its a fuel concern, is the cost of the extra fuel because of the greater weight, more expensive than the excess baggage charge? AA Eagle started out with a similar policy I think the only one left is the no boxes.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
But (BIG BUT)....cant you see all of the air/sea pax writing letters of complaint to the cruise ship company and their travel agents (and anyone else who will listen) concerning how they were ""ripped-off"" by Spirit for excess baggage charges?

The thing is though the cruise lines will say that it is the responsibility of the passenger or travel agents concerning baggage allowance.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

Quoting Bhxfaotipyyc (Reply 1):
What's the weight limit? 20 kg /44 lbs or higher?

50 pounds, which is 22.7 kg and really the closest round US measurement. It was formerly 70 pounds for most airlines.

Quoting Bhxfaotipyyc (Reply 1):
I'd say not a bad move at all by Spirit.

An absolutely stupid move by Spirit. For one, I doubt their cruise charter services will have this restriction though their normal services are going to take a hit, as Spirit is already competing against much better known carriers that have better rules.

Quoting Bhxfaotipyyc (Reply 1):
Some, like Ryanair have a 15kg allowance only.

Ryanair charges even for that. You really shouldn't compare to them, however, given that they are a joke when it comes to service.

Quoting Bhxfaotipyyc (Reply 1):
Some, like Ryanair have a 15kg allowance only. Less weight means less fuel, or more space for paying cargo.

Ryanair doesn't carry cargo.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

American Eagle, Continental Connection and Bahamasair will appreciate this move, as it means that on the Nassau - Ft. Lauderdale run, Spirit is no longer a viable alternative for Bahamians.


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

TransIsland, if UP use their head, they would let Spirit carry the pax with their low fares, introduce a new unaccompanied freight charge and bring the bags that Spirit does not want. Heck the baggage charge may be more than Spirit fares, UP get the money and not have to worry about pax complaining when the flights are delayed.

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

What is all the fuss, people have to learn to pack light one day, lets face it, allowing two bags is loosing revenue. Why does my mother need to pack a bathing suit when going to NYC in the middle of winter? (true story) Half the stuff she and my sister pack goes unused.

NK is leading the pack , more will follow.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Thank God their are now 4 airlines flying between DTW and MCO. Spirit is what I usually fly, but I might stick with Air Tran now.

User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

Spirit was already pretty restrictive with their baggage policy. Their overweight bag charge was something like $250. Will their new bag policy allow for a fair fee to check a 2nd bag?

I've heard stories about Spirit having to fly an extra plane with baggage in the cabin (no passengers) to the Dominican Republic. That was because they could not carry all of the checked bags on the first flight.

The amount of baggage to the Caribbean is crazy. Anyone who has seen the check-in lines @ MIA can agree with that.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

In all honesty I don't see this as being too much of a problem for the average NK flier. Whenever I go to Florida, even if for a week, I just take a small suitcase - maybe weighing in at like 20 pounds. I've even been on cruises before, and while I do pack a little bit more heavily for cruises, bringing more than one suitcase is just wasteful.

Am I really the odd one out?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

This will not bode well for their new FLL-PAP flight. Haitian passengers typically have a lot of bags and they are very aware of the free baggage allowance.

Also flights to PLS and NAS have a lot of shoppers with big bags.

If AA does not match them on this I do not think it will last.

AJMIA



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Its all about making money, I guess some airlines rather have the smaller margin of pax fares rather than the pax fares plus their bags, besides, whats the fuss about anyway?
With the size of carryons being limited, these bags are in the hold, if the load controllers do their job correctly their should be no problem, and remember, the majority of these bags are not free, the bulk are beyond the 2 limit and are being fully charged, some cost more than the pax fare, go figure.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13028 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

As primarly a leisure pax, LCC airline and going to the Carribbean and tourist locations with heavy luggage demand and running at high load factors, they are probably maxing out the luggage space and MTOW limits. Their options would be to reduce the number of pax they book on flights or bump people off flights where high levels of baggage, charge higher fares, and tick off everybody. As an LCC, they cannot just bump people to other airlines, so the pax would be screwed as they cannot transfer.
However, they must make in very clear in LARGE TYPE of this policy.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 19):
This will not bode well for their new FLL-PAP flight. Haitian passengers typically have a lot of bags and they are very aware of the free baggage allowance.

I was just going to mention this. Haitians do not exactly travel light. I'm assuming that this is one of the reasons why AA uses the A300-600 on most PAP-MIA and all PAP-JFK flights. NK doesn't stand much chance in Haiti when people find out about this new policy.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 17):
Their overweight bag charge was something like $250.

No.... 50lb-70lb is $25.00, anything over 70lb. is $100.00.... I think that is in line with most other airlines.

Anything over 2 bags (right now) is $100.00 per bag. I don't know what the new changes will bring since we have not been made aware of this by the company yet. I don't see this change sticking though, it will be a customer service nightmare and a publicity nightmare I believe.



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 23):
Anything over 2 bags (right now) is $100.00 per bag

Wow that is pretty high...pretty much double from what most other airlines charge...but if it works for them, more power to them.

NK will have to, at the very least, cut that fee in half to keep the passengers disenchanted, not happy, once this new program goes into effect.


25 Dutchjet : Yep, agreed.......I hope that the changes do not stick for your sake (if nothing more) since you are a front-line NK employee, you are the one who is
26 Post contains images TransIsland : However, there are so many valid reasons for this... but explaining them would be way off topic. We (family of three) will be going to MCO next week
27 Dutchjet : I dont think any explanation or reasons are needed to explain why some caribbean pax travel HEAVY.....they just do and if NK wants to attract passeng
28 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : As a flight attendant, it amazes me what pax bring on the aircraft- er, how much I should say. I know that those who are in the industry are well adap
29 ExFATboy : Well, I wouldn't say you're the only one, but you're in the minority. One bag at 50 lbs is definitely going to make Spirit "odd man out" in the US in
30 MAH4546 : This is absolutely ridiculous and stupid for an airline that is focusing on expanding into the Caribbean and Latin America, and hopes to do so largely
31 Jetdeltamsy : I think it was a very intelligent, well thought out and analyzed change. Heavier bags cost more to transport and increase airline employee injury rat
32 Fpofllflyboi : Speaking of these low fares to attract passengers, are they filling up the planes on the "off" days?
33 Iowaman : This is a great reason to fly WN out of FLL if you are a cruise passenger. They still allow you to check three 50 pound bags free of charge.
34 We're Nuts : Spirit FA's and gate agents must be rolling their eyes right now. Anyone in the industry knows what this means: more work. Passengers aren't going to
35 Post contains images Nkops : Well, I will be on Feb 10th.... for obvious reasons I have to watch what I say, because you never know who reads this!!! However, I don't think we ar
36 Vfw614 : For a low-fares airline this is a somewhat logical move in times when airlines even calculate how much fuel they waste by carrying in-flight magazines
37 Hiflyer : Heck..reducing it to one bag per pax would not have eliminated the zoo at Terminal 4 on Sunday morning...long long lines at all NK acceptance points i
38 MAH4546 : Honestly, if they don't at least make exceptions for their routes to Kingston, Port Au Prince, Santo Domingo, Nassau, Caracas, and San Juan, they are
39 Nkops : Just found out today the second bag will be $25.00... then 100.00 for 3rd bag on up
40 Post contains images JayDavis : Well Ryanair charges for EVERYTHING !! If you want low fares AND you want to carry on a ton of stuff, you are going to pay for it.............I flew R
41 Nzrich : Is it a big deal really from their website the 2nd bag is only going to cost $10 for up to 50 lbs and $100 every extra bags ..Not exactly going to bre
42 Nkops : Nzrich.. I agree... actually, that part (the 10.00) was just added last nite. From what I was told it was originally going to be $25. Glad they lowere
43 MAH4546 : Well, if the second bag is only $10, then, no, it is not a big deal.
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