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Abandoned DC-4 Hulk Near CLE?  
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

I noticed a while back, when driving down I-480 or Brookpark Road in Brookpark, Ohio, I saw a dilapidated DC-4 hulk sitting next to the side of a building. I was always curious as to why it was there, and never had the chance to do so until now. Since I am home from college, I decided to go "check it out."

The lot in which the DC-4 is stored, is home to the Ohio Northern Transit Company, a business catering to semi-truck/tractor-trailers, just 1-1/2 miles (~2.41 km) east of CLE. My questions are; why is this DC-4 is here, and what is its serial number/ last registration (I looked hard but could not find it)?

For my fellow Clevelanders who may be interested, the address of the company/lot is at: 16000 Brookpark Road.

Here are some photos I took:

The location of the hulk. Note the proximity to CLE.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/DC-4location.jpg

This is a photo of the lot in which it is found. Note the aircraft on final for CLE on the center left above the fence, and I-480 in the background:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0371a.jpg

The right side of the fuselage. Note that it is mounted on trailer wheels:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0367a.jpg

The left side of the fuselage:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0358a.jpg

The front of the fuselage:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0359a.jpg

The cockpit. Note that some of the "items" are in English, and the others are of another language (Spanish?):
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0349a.jpg

Throttle Quadrant:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0355a.jpg

Cabin Interior:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p152/N231YE/IMG_0362a.jpg

Thank you for any input and/or information...
N231YE

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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

I don't know, but that bulkhead seems to be in surprisingly good condition! I hope to hear more about this plane also.


OttoPylit


User currently offlineSiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 313 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I highly doubt this is a "hulk" per se. It's on a trailer, the interior is in amazingly good condition, as is the flight deck. Methinks it's a restoration candidate. Who knows what kind of business is operating behind that roll-up door there, but I have a gut feeling that it's a restoration candidate... even if the goal is not flying, for cosmetic purposes, for a private collection, or something of the sort.

I had an experience like that once, when I was driving around and saw the ripped apart rear fuselage of an F-86 Sabre laying along the road, and visible from the freeway. I decided to take an excursion to try to find this piece of wreckage, and find it I did (after trespassing on two incorrect lots and nearly getting shot on one). After I found the proper lot, I found the owner of it, who had a full warehouse and a complete F-86 restored to non-flying but cosmetically perfect condition inside his warehouse on the site, and that he had used the other for parts... The gentleman who owned the plane let me fawn over it for an hour or so while we talked and I got to sit inside it...

So... if you really want to find out what's up with that plane, start knocking on doors and asking questions. That's the only way to really get to the bottom of it.

[Edited 2006-12-17 07:49:53]

User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5409 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Comparing this cheat line:
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Photo © Steve Williams

to your right side view, makes me think it was once a VASP aircraft, if not the actual one pictured.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Its been there at least a year and a half, because I used to see it all the time going down Brookpark road. No idea why its there though.


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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3):

Nice, I knew somebody may recognize it.

Quoting Siren (Reply 2):
So... if you really want to find out what's up with that plane, start knocking on doors and asking questions. That's the only way to really get to the bottom of it.

Unfortunately, being a Saturday evening, the business was closed. I will have to return sometime or call and ask about this aircraft.


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting N231YE (Thread starter):

The cockpit. Note that some of the "items" are in English, and the others are of another language (Spanish?):

Hiya. I've been meaning to start this topic for a long time, but you've beaten me to it!!

The "other language" is portuguese, lending further creedence to the VASP theory. I was on that very fuselage back in August, and took a remarkably similar series of shots. I searched all over for a manufacturers plate, or anything that would help confirm this aircraft's identity, but to no avail. The only thing I can say with some certainty is that it is a DC-4/C-54, ex-VASP, as Massey concluded.

The cabin section appears to me to have been used as a diner at one time, perhaps attached to a building at the aft end. Red diagonal stripes have also been painted on the sides sometime in the past.

Here are a couple of different angles than the ones presented above, to try to help solve the mystery! The business where it is located is run by a family that also collects vintage cars, so perhaps this is for a private collection.





www.opshots.net

[Edited 2006-12-18 06:36:15]

[Edited 2006-12-18 06:37:05]

User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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About a year and half ago I spotted a DC-4 in pieces along Ohio Route 1 (I think). I saw it on the way to Port Clinton. It was painted blue and white. Is this the same plane at a new location?


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12098 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 7):
About a year and half ago I spotted a DC-4 in pieces along Ohio Route 1 (I think). I saw it on the way to Port Clinton. It was painted blue and white. Is this the same plane at a new location?

Actually it is route 2 and it had been there for years though I have not driven that way in a while so unable to answer the question.



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5409 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Considering it has no wings, this plane really gets around.  Smile


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 6):
Hiya. I've been meaning to start this topic for a long time, but you've beaten me to it!!

HAHA!

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 6):
The cabin section appears to me to have been used as a diner at one time, perhaps attached to a building at the aft end. Red diagonal stripes have also been painted on the sides sometime in the past.

That might help solve this mystery. The photographer of this photo writes:


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Steve Williams



Quote:
Stored in VASP colours. Ex 43-17138. It moved to Rio Vista as a restaurant, then to Travis AFB

If this is the case, this may actually be the aircraft pictured.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 7):
About a year and half ago I spotted a DC-4 in pieces along Ohio Route 1 (I think). I saw it on the way to Port Clinton. It was painted blue and white. Is this the same plane at a new location?

I think you are talking about Route 2. The aircraft has been at this business for quite a while, and if Dan2002 is correct, he said that he thinks the aircraft has been there for a year and a half. If your memory is good, this may coincide with what you saw, and that very well could have been this aircraft on its way to its current location.

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 4):
Its been there at least a year and a half, because I used to see it all the time going down Brookpark road. No idea why its there though.


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
I think you are talking about Route 2. The aircraft has been at this business for quite a while, and if Dan2002 is correct, he said that he thinks the aircraft has been there for a year and a half. If your memory is good, this may coincide with what you saw, and that very well could have been this aircraft on its way to its current location.

Actually, what I meant was that I saw the plane while I was driving past it. I specifically remember seeing it there last summer, so It's been there that long.



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 11):
Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
I think you are talking about Route 2. The aircraft has been at this business for quite a while, and if Dan2002 is correct, he said that he thinks the aircraft has been there for a year and a half. If your memory is good, this may coincide with what you saw, and that very well could have been this aircraft on its way to its current location.

Actually, what I meant was that I saw the plane while I was driving past it. I specifically remember seeing it there last summer, so It's been there that long.

Huh!?! Where along Rt.2 was/is this plane? I use Rt.2 frequently on trips to Catawba and must have been blind to miss it! It must have been this one...it's hard to imagine a second fuselage in the area.

It really is an interesting find, and perhaps talking to the owners is the way to go. I would sure like to know its history.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
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Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 12):
Huh!?! Where along Rt.2 was/is this plane? I use Rt.2 frequently on trips to Catawba and must have been blind to miss it! It must have been this one...it's hard to imagine a second fuselage in the area.

I spotted it on my way to Camp Perry to visit the Civilian Marksmanship Program offices there. This was in September 2005. One of my coworkers saw it on his way to Cedar Point in June of 2005 and told me about it. It was before you get to Camp Perry on the North side of the road when you are heading East.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
I think you are talking about Route 2.

You are correct it was Route 2.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12098 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:
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If you are traveling West on route 2 it is shortly after the road goes from 2 lanes down to a single lane in each direction.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12098 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
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Also if the plane is still there and you are traveling West on route 2 it will be on your right hand side next to a gas station/restaurant.


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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Anyone try and google map the location on rt 2?


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