SAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3 Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13196 times:
Hi everyone!
By now I'm sure you heard that NRG has closed a deal for 2 343 - as it is they are expected to enter service around Feb/Mar 2007 (the expected delivery is still a rumor, at best). The origin of these 2 343 is still a mystery. It's been a pleasurable torment to try and figure out where they are comming from
According to some local info from ZRH, cn 15, ex VS G-VAEL landed in ZRH on 15-dec for maintenance at SR Technics - this very 343 would be NRG's first.
Anyone heard anything else? Any help to try and figure out the origin of NRG's 343 would be appreciated.
Happy Landings!
"When it's dark enough, you can see the stars" - Charles A. Beard
CactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12962 times:
Wow!!! is sad to say that there goes another airplane going down as trash after RG is done with it...we kept them good at VS...hope you return it the same way...
I don't think you know what you're saying... If there's one thing RG has been praised for, it's its maintenance. Even during the most difficult times, Varig has never ever compromised safety - remember the all so common flight xxds??? Acfts might have been stripped for spare parts, but acfts were NOT trashed as you put it. If you're comment has any solid base at all, then I wonder why RG's acfts are in such high demand in the market...
Second point: I think you might be thinking of acfts interiors. If that's the case, then you're right: RG didn't invest any money there. Then again, the comfort of the passanger has nothing to do with the operation itself.
Third point you are forgetting here: you are talking about a new Varig, with a new operational certificate, detached from the old, bankrupt Varig.
Let's try to keep this a real discussion with some good arguments. Therefore, please present facts to support your arguments.
Cheers!
"When it's dark enough, you can see the stars" - Charles A. Beard
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12649 times:
coould one plane be the CI one leased from Boeing? B has been advertising its availability from summer 07. Perhaps CI is letting it go earlier.
I know many people that interact with Varig's airplanes and I have seen the horrors that I have seen, I dont think you have never really seen the condition their aircraft were flying to the US, and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes. Just because they didnt have a crash it soesnt mean they do good maintenance, sorry to disagree with you but those of us who know about maintenance standards and quality will tell you otherwise.
MXComet4C From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
VC is not an airline. VC is the dearest way to talk with a Brazilian friend. VC deserve to get the best! You've already given us(México) your best (can T7 hint you?)!
Get A34Xs as many as you can (but just meanwhile you can show up for all of us latams with the 1st Em-Br-Aer WB...)
Nail down those A34Xs, call them Joses Carioca and get them to visit all of the Panchos Pistolas.
VVias AAereas del RRIIo GGrande del sur will never die for as long as there is one Brazilian alive or a Mexican amigo that says obrigado. AAeroVVIIAAs NNacionales de CColombiAA has a chance to be a by-stander or join Br & Mx or be taken over...
Rio is Grande (any doubt?) R is G ... RG=Rio Grande.
RG's come back is the least anyone can expect from Big Bro Bra.
Sorry I can't help finding out where those A340s will be coming from, but when "La Rosa de los Vientos" gets on their tails, all of LatAm will be proudly flying again.
"Boa Suerte"
MX (maintenance, not Mexicana) is better done in countries with a Space Agency just like a few... Ru, Us, Eu, Br, Mx.... et al. Get it(El Dorado)?
ZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12290 times:
Quoting SAOAP (Thread starter):
According to some local info from ZRH, cn 15, ex VS G-VAEL landed in ZRH on 15-dec for maintenance at SR Technics - this very 343 would be NRG's first.
Not true. The VS A343 currently resting at SRTechnic's ZRH base is destined for Air Plus, not Varig.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12091 times:
Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8): Remember the problems Finnair encountered with its seventh MD-11 that came from RG ?
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11805 times:
Varig should have been left to die. It sad to see an airline with such a fabled history become a shadow of its former self.
VarigB707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10869 times:
Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 7): know many people that interact with Varig's airplanes and I have seen the horrors that I have seen, I dont think you have never really seen the condition their aircraft were flying to the US, and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes. Just because they didnt have a crash it soesnt mean they do good maintenance, sorry to disagree with you but those of us who know about maintenance standards and quality will tell you otherwise.
You sound like an angry person who has something against RG on a personal level. Be that as it may, just don't forget where you come from.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10677 times:
I had not heard anything about RG getting A340's, but I think it is very good news. RG has an uphill battle because G3 and JJ have gained so much market share, and because the huge problems it faced obviously made its loyal customers to look elsewhere. Anyway, good luck to RG... would be great to see one day a RG A343 in MEX.
CactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10199 times:
Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 16): You sound like an angry person who has something against RG on a personal level. Be that as it may, just don't forget where you come from.
I dont see why my origin should have anything to do with the maintenance some airlines carryout, as a fact I work for a British airline and before that an American carrier, but is OK if you are not on the maintenance field then I can understand your frustration for what I said..
You're right about some of RG's MD-11 (PP-VQI, PP-VQL, PP-VQM and PP-VQX were a nightmare since the day they came into the fleet ), same goes for some of the T7 that came from the desert (PP-VRC and PP-VRD were a true nightmare - no wonder no one wants them and 'RC' is to be the first T7 to be ripped apart).
Don't know whether the 343 would go to MEX in the beginning... I suppose with AC helping out MEX would be served by 763. Still, I do hope you get to see the 343 in MEX
Happy Landings!
"When it's dark enough, you can see the stars" - Charles A. Beard
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8467 times:
Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 23): Now you can see how many people would agree with me when it comes to RG's maintenance? I dont think is an opinion but a Fact. Have a nice day.
Agreed on that one too. They need LHT to train Varigs people.
MCOflyer
Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
25 Konrad: An ex-VARIG 767-300ER that went to LOT as SP-LPE (one in the Star Alliance livery), has become a hangar queen and maintanance nightmare. It took seve
26 Magyarorszag: VQI is an ex. Garuda bird, and the three others were with VP before coming to RG. Is PP-VRC going to be ripped appart because of RG bad maintenance,
27 MCOflyer: Actualy ex BA. 777-236 with GE 7-B engines. Varigs mx may have played a key role of that a/c condition. MCOflyer
28 LHR777: ..well, they were all in fine condition when they left us!
29 BOAC707: Didn't Air Canada buy into Varig...and aren't they taking delivery of the 777 in March and looking to vest themselves of the 340....maybe this is the
30 MCOflyer: Agreed. They need LH Techniks down there to handle maintenance. MCOflyer
31 Qantas744ER: You dont seem to understand..the 777's that came from the desert were ex UA planes and they were in perfect condition upon delivery! Then the story s
32 LHR777: ..err, you don't seem to understand either! The 777's that came from the desert were ex-BA machines, not UA machines! PP-VRC was originally BA777-236
34 Ordramper98: You're both correct. RG got 777's from both UA and BA. Sounds like their all in bad shape now.
35 USADreamliner: Are you already celebrating Christmas and New Year's eve with tequila?? Because, I have no idea what are you talking about! VARIG: Viacao Aerea Rio G
36 JAM747: Just curious ,how come VG is getting A340s instead of 777s? Are they cheaper, easier to get or serve their needs better? Waht will happen to the exist
37 Ghost77: It was hard to read.. but I think you need to know a little of Portuguese, Spanish and understand some things we all in Latam have in common...
38 RCS763AV: Wow, who´s had a bad day? I´m sorry but since when being Colombian has to do with not knowing about a/c maintenance? And since when is Colombia kno
39 Boeing4ever: Interesting horror stories on Varig maintenance. I'd be scared for fly on a Varig jet now. Sheesh...how could such a MX culture develop????? B4e-Forev
40 Garri767: You better be!!!! Their MX sux! ours is sooooooooo much better! signed, Other Airline mechanics in this thread
41 Tomascubero: I don't know why nobody has thought about it but Air Madrid has ceased operations now, 2 A343's are sitting around, EC-JIS in someplace in Spain and a
42 Kaitak744: When is Jet airways getting their 777-300ERs? As soon as they receive their first 3, the 3 A340-300s will be going.
43 Qantas744ER: Sadly Brazil like many other countries is still far behind in some spots such as aircraft MX this of course always depends from the carrier because J
44 Ka: Yes, going back to SAA, where they came from. Finally!! KA.
45 EMB195ER: Hi Guys! I've been following all this discussion about RG bad maitenance and I am impressed. As far as I know, RG maintenance center in (now a TAP mai
46 Donzilasse: A couple of the T7,s were okey but they went to AM. Cactus VQX will now go to JJ together with VQJ and VQK. donzilasse
47 Qantas744ER: I did not mention the past! i was talking about now in the past 2 years to my knowledge the maintnance has been good for JJ. And im sorry if i commen
48 EMB195ER: Again ...it seems weird and I think that the bad condition of the airplanes is related to RG bankrupcy. I know many people in Brazil and everyone alwa
49 A342: I have an idea about the origin of those A343s: Only a few days ago, 2 A343s were listed for sale on www.speednews.com , by Boeing's aircraft trade su
50 CactusTECH: Is always easy to pass an FAA or JAA certificate when you can show the right books and procedures. Another story is how the company follows those proc
51 LipeGIG: These A343 will replace their M11 fleet which will be returned to lessors during the next 6 months. Not only POA center, but also the main one at GIG.
52 Qantas744ER: I could not agree more! my only point is that RG's MX for the past years of financial problems has been very bad! And again that does not mean it is
53 CactusTECH: Thats pretty SAD isn't? enough said. Useless...unsafe..unethical
54 LipeGIG: Leo, agree 100%, and not to forget that RG has sold it's maintenance facilities in both GIG and POA to TP. Nowadays i can say that RG again keep a ve
56 LipeGIG: Of course A342, internal sources as well as newspapers and specialized (!) press in Brazil. They will probably try to take more A343 to run FRA and L
57 A342: Hi Felipe, I wanted to ask from which airline they want to get these A343s.
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