RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16363 times:
After reading this column I hope I never end up sitting next to her. Something tells me I'd be terrified the whole flight that she was going to unload on me for some percieved insult or oversight on my part.
It'd be nice to only travel with people who think like you do but sometimes you just have to suck it up and realize there are all sorts out in that big world and if it bothers you that much, you need to talk to the boss about charter aircraft.
DeltAirlines From United States, joined May 1999, 7337 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16260 times:
Agree with the overall points. Could have been written a bit better, but the general points are all fine.
Scottsea From United States, joined Jun 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16230 times:
"People who have turned my light off and covered me with a blanket when I fell asleep, to a gentleman who got me a cup of water when the beverage cart came by, thinking I would be thirsty when I woke up."
After all the negative comments in this article - she's going to trust her fellow human to not have poisoned/spiked her water? I don't know if I'd be that trusting.
AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 9973 posts, RR: 32 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16161 times:
This woman makes alot of sense, its about time that somebody OUTSIDE of A.net agrees with the majority of us. I was beginning to think, when I signed up for A.net, that we were the only ones thinking how pax should behave.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16165 times:
Quoting Scottsea (Reply 6): After all the negative comments in this article - she's going to trust her fellow human to not have poisoned/spiked her water? I don't know if I'd be that trusting.
My exact feelings. She bashes virtually every self indulgent type you could run into and then "Oh, you got me some water aren't you precious!". It's why I say I wouldn't want to get stuck sitting next to her, you just don't know what your going to get to deal with.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3491 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16107 times:
Well put, most of her points are very valid.
I think part of the consolation for being stuck in the middle seat however is to have more use of the armrests... the window and aisle seat pax have more room on their outside.
Flyabunch From United States, joined Nov 2004, 494 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15298 times:
She can sit next to me anytime. I agree on all points except I do like to have a drink or two...but not five. I have thought about all of these points in the past. They would make a great manifesto. "The air travelers guide to comfortable travel." Alas, it will never happen.
BOACVC10 From United States, joined Jul 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15022 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 9): I think part of the consolation for being stuck in the middle seat however is to have more use of the armrests
I feel the armrests between the seats (typically in Y or Y+) in all aircraft could be just a little bit wider, and it would make a lot of difference in affording a lot of privacy. We can all deal with a face to face interaction better than an annoying intrusion into our peripheral vision when we turn our heads. I am referring to ergonomics here. Also, for privacy, perhaps it is time for some enterprising cabin designer to include foldable partitions built into the headrests like a "folding cover" that you can see with a baby's pram - so you can have optional privacy if you wish.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 1653 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15021 times:
I have no problems with these recommendations. As a matter of fact, I usually adhere to all of them except one - I usually have a couple of drinks while flying. However, even after a few i strictly mind my own business, so there is no chance to annoy anybody by drunk talk. And if anyone gets annoyed by the mere fact that I have my scotch while flying, well, I guess it's not my problem.
IAirAllie From United States, joined May 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14873 times:
The only one I really disagree with is the not touching other peoples bags in the overhead bin. Sure you should never take something out and move it to another bin. But if an idiot boards first and puts a small laptop case in the middle of the whole bin rendering the remaining space useless without moving it then you should be allowed to move it. (BTW laptop bags should go under the seat. I watched one fall out hard into the aisle once not so good for those sensitive electronics.) Same for those who put rollerboards in sideways instead of wheels first or put their coats up before the bin has a full complement of bags.
Silentbob From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Aug 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14647 times:
Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 11): What I find funny is that a human resource person has that type of atitude.
Most HR people are like that and I'm married to one of them.
David31998 From United States, joined Sep 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14117 times:
She can add a few years to her life if she learns to calm down and be a little more willing to take what comes. This is not a perfect world and the unexpected should be expected, particularly when traveling. So stop worrying about the little things in life; "oh on, someone moved my bag, those kids are going nuts, someone is blabbering on their phone,..."
We should be aware of those around us and how what we do affects them, and it is reasonable to expect the same from others. But the world doesn't always work that way. So relax, have sense of humor, and remember one of the important rules of life that is applicable for most of us: if you are in good health, life is good!
Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5179 posts, RR: 86 Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13985 times:
Quoting Andz (Reply 1): Unfortunately most of what she writes is true and would piss most reasonable people off too.
I have to agree. But I would like to make two points.
1. On the lifting of the carry on. I've helped many a lady lift her bag. That's what gentlemen do. And if you have trouble with people touching your overhead stuff... pack it better. You know the bin is going to be full. I'm not saying I'd move you stuff, but darn if my stuff isn't going up there too. Unfortunately, I've never had it used as a pick up line toward me.
2. Drinking. I don't think people should do it. But during research to better understand the airline customer they found a huge fraction of the market panics while flying. Yes, outright panic. Something like 25% of the people on a flight get that scared. Now, this shocked me. I have trouble staying awake unless there is something interesting to see... Oh, I hate having a drunk next to me... but too many of the customers need that self medication...
Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 17): I think this BUSINESS woman should be flying BUSINESS class....
Most business people get stuck in coach. Just the fact. If your company pays for domestic first, good for you. Mine doesn't. Cest la vie.
Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 13): I have thought about all of these points in the past. They would make a great manifesto.
Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23839 posts, RR: 69 Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13795 times:
I just wouldn't want to be on the same flight as any other a.netter. That would do my head in
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Hey BOAC I love the username, has a nice ring to it, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it means.
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26 Jerald01: Sooooo, why doesn't some enterprising airline take a poll of it's passengers to find out what it is about OTHER passengers that bothers them. THEN, sa
27 Contrails: I agree with all her points. She can sit next to me anytime.
28 IAHFLYR: Great points, well written things we've all seen, been subjected to, and or done! Hell, I might even lift her rollerbag into the overhead......or mayb
29 Rampart: Very funny article, and spot on! She's venting for the rest of us. Yes, I have kids, no I don't afford business class, yes, I have been known to rarel
30 PanAmOldDC8: Although I think that she maybe a bit of a whiner, I have to concede that a lot of her points are valid I remember when I first started to travel back
31 Airbazar: Personally I don't care about either of the points she makes. As long as I get to my destination on time and with all my limbs, I'm happy. I do re-arr
32 Varig_dc10: "Space underneath the seat. The space you can utilize underneath the seat is in front of you, not behind you. And no, you cannot utilize both. Even if
33 StarCityFlyr: Have to say that I agree with most all her points (bag movement in the overhead bin being the exception). Seems to me that most of the traveling publi
34 AlexPorter: My opinions on each point of hers: -Armrests: I think the middle seat is entitled to the armrests, since it is otherwise a worse seat. -Overhead space
35 SJCRRPAX: I hope you get the middle seat and need to use the lav.
36 Lincoln: Naah... Human Resources people are very bitter in my experience...sure, on the job they act all nice and chirpy, but as soon as they aren't being pai
37 Kmh1956: How can it possibly be whining to suggest good manners and common sense when boarding and sitting on an aircraft?
39 BOACVC10: Ahem, VC-10 was the first aircraft I was able to instantly recognise when I was just a very young kid in the 1970s and traveled a few times from LHR
40 Jafa39: As long as it doesn't turn into Naziism.....I'm talking people who object to recliners but to be honest I think most of this doesn't apply in NZ where
41 Bennett123: I agree with most of her points. Only thing with elbow room in cattle class is that even if you have the window seat you need room at meal time.
42 Lostmoon744: That was a good repost. Um, whining and suggesting are two different things. She is suggesting these good guidelines in a very whiny bitchy tone. Bot
43 Dambuster: The common people don't have travel culture... have you seen how they drive their cars??? That's exactly why there are so many accidents! Same applies
44 N243NW: Although I understand where she's coming from on most of these issues, to me her tone suggests nothing other than she's a fed-up traveler who needs to
45 Gopal: She make some good points but she should make sure that her own actions during a flight do not cause inconvenience to fellow passengers. If she uses h
46 Gopal: She make some good points but she should make sure that her own actions during a flight do not cause inconvenience to fellow passengers. If she uses h
47 Dambuster: Yeah, I agree, she's a bit (too much!!!!) off the point with most if not all issues now that there are some new statements...though there are some rul
48 VC10BOAC: Seems we had similar experiences (according to your profile we are similar ages). The reason for my user name is because a BOAC VC10 was the first ai
49 D L X: She also has railed on reclining your seat. "She no nuts, she crazy!" http://travel.news.yahoo.com/b/b_correa/b_correa16452 I'd say it's safe to assum
50 CRGsFuture: I agree with this one a 100% as on a recent B6 flight from JAX to home a couple who flew thought it was ok to stuff their coats up over the bin. I di
51 D L X: Sorry, I'm not going to wait for someone to fill the overhead bin with luggage. Overhead bins were designed for COATS and other small items, not lugg
52 Boeing nut: and and and - stop me any time here..... In fact, makes me think, RJdxer, please don't make me sit next to you.
53 SJCRRPAX: First you said overhead bins were designed for coats, than you said they were designed for luggage? Actually, I know what you meant, but for a long t
54 Boeing Nut: These seats would all but eliminate problems #1 and #4 outright.... http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_economy_technical.html
55 D L X: No, I said luggage was designed for overhead bins, not overhead bins were designed for luggage. The whole "roll-aboard" thing was basically a plan to
56 FlyDeltaJets87: Learn how to share armrest space. Sounds reasonable to me. I usually have a window seat so I have one full armrest to myself and thus I leave the othe
57 ANCFlyer: Sometimes you have to cut SOME people some slack . . . there are always the occasional mitigations. Doing the O.J. through IAD qualifies . . . Douchi
58 D L X: Be fair - those people who put their luggage in the overhead up front usually do so because the one in the back was filled - probably by some a-hole
59 Beau222: I agree with everything she said. And I will have to admit that I do subconciously plant my elbows the minute I sit in coach. Come to think of it I al
60 Cjpark: I'll be damned we actually agree on something. Everything she says is valid and most of it comes down to good manners.
61 ArcrftLvr: While I agree with most/all of her points, Virginia Flores seems like a real c u next Tuesday..
62 CRGsFuture: Last time I checked it was easier to shove a coat in to a tight space than a bag that has hard plastic items in it.
63 TrojanAE: Best response yet. I agree completely. Sure, there's annoyances everywhere in life, in the morning traffic jam, when some guy cuts in front of you in
64 IAirAllie: Not anymore. OHB are now designed to accomodate standard sized rollerboards. Example AA's retrofitting of their fleet with bins that will accomodate
65 ATCGOD: Aren't most women??? Totally. I was thinking that this guy that just got her this water had long since dropped the "date rape drug" in there. He was
66 RJdxer: Chances are you wouldn't even know I was there. I don't usually speak to other passengers on an airplane unless spoken too. If I'm window or aisle I'
67 CRGsFuture: I agree with you that you have a right and I'm not argueing that at all. What I always argue is the fact that people don't even give you the heads up
68 SJCRRPAX: Like quite a few of you I went straight to the bullet points, and skipped the first paragraphs of the article. I assume it was Barbara Correa that wro
69 Tockeyhockey: my biggest pet peeve is one that she points out -- why are people so afraid to check their bags? it might save you 20 minutes on the back end of your
70 D L X: Yes, but I'm not going to wait. If the person that comes after me has stuff to go into that space, I'm perfectly fine with him moving my coat to put
71 FlyDeltaJets87: Be honest. How often is this case? I'm not talking a row or two here. Hell, when I fly on an MD-80, I prefer the two side, but my roll aboard has to
72 AY104: Hey, there's my type of seat partner. She's hit the nail right on the head with every point!
73 D L X: So, you're saying that when you're in the middle seat, you'll share your armrest with this woman?
74 D L X: The fact that she posted it on her column without commentary suggests an endorsement of the expressed viewpoints.
75 PLANAR: I don't know - I have always found that a little congeniality, a warm hello here and there, and smiles have always put people around me at their best
76 CRGsFuture: I think your one of thoes people that doesn't get annoyed when other people touch your stuff when asking. In my experience at my age most people get
77 HPAEAA: The only thing that she missed is the point about not reclining your seat if your going to land in someone's lap behind you!
78 D L X: I obviously couldn't know for sure. It's just my gut feeling since I so rarely see someone not make an effort to put their bags near their row. Now,
79 777FlyGuy: I can't understand why anyone would have a beef with this woman's points. Isn't this just common courtesy? I think we've all experienced some combinat
80 D L X: because she's absolutely wrong on some of them. If you have a window to look out of, and extra shoulder room to occupy, why are you so selfish that y
81 Lostmoon744: My golly. She's quite the gadfly I am sure.
82 S5FA170: As a flight attendant - I like the part where she mentions that "unless you piss off the flight attendant, your bag should come out on time". Haha! Pr
83 D L X: Sure it is, unless you forego your legroom by bringing 5 bags on board. As an FA, I have to ask you, why don't you tell more passengers "aww, hell na
84 ChrisNH: I wonder whether she batted her eyelashes at him though? Chris in NH
85 IAirAllie: There are many legitmate reasons why people bring on carryon bags. There is nothing wrong with bringing luggage aboard as long as you are within the
86 D L X: That's well and good, but it was still those rollaboards that were designed to fit in overhead bins on most planes. The DC9 and the MD80 were the pla
87 IAirAllie: My airline is a private charter airline so it is not part of the equation or problem as you put it. However at the 3 other commercial airlines I worke
88 SBN580: Yes, she sounds a bit paranoid and probably has dreams about being suffocated by the blanket and poisoned by the water. Yes, that is what a gentleman
89 GOCAPS16: Uh oh! You got her started... "I guess that’s why a lot of travelers who wrote in confused me as the author, and several made some comments about m
90 IAirAllie: "AND FINALLY … Seasoned travelers should be allowed to carry paintball guns. Anyone with three or more paintball splotches will have to take the bus
92 3201: "so they don't pound on my laptop and cause me to lose data that I have been working on for the past hour." While no one should ever touch anyone else
93 Bennett123: Personally, I do not have the coat problem because I tend to pack it if possible. Means one less item to remove at security.
94 SJCRRPAX: I could have wrote those exact same words five years ago. Just like DLX I resented people that brought suitcases on board planes. I once went to a tr
95 D L X: Don't misrepresent me there, man! I don't resent the rollaboard people. I resent those passengers that take up more than their fair share of space. A
96 S5FA170: Have you ever been on my airplane? Probably not. When I am the forward flight attendant and the flight is full - I stop people at the door with more
97 777FlyGuy: Geez, lighten up. YOU are the person I would hate to sit next to on a flight. I thought courtesy was something ALL passengers were supposed to exhibi
98 ANCFlyer: There's no way someones rollaboard takes a priority over cameras, coats, ::cough::baby bag::cough::, attache cases, and other necessary items. Check
99 Bond007: Well, you are mistaken. YOU think they 'belong up there' more than a rollaboard ...that's your opinion....unfortunately, your coat excepted, the othe
100 D L X: Makes sense... I always request the window, which means sitting next to me, you'd get a whole armrest because I think it's yours. But suit yourself.
101 777FlyGuy: No prob. I'm an aisle seat man myself so I doubt we'd have that issue. I never knew there were rules that the middle seat occupant gets the armrests
102 Iairallie: Uhm, My rollerboard contains all of the above items, only neatly so they don't take up more space than necessary. Not to mention the smaller items ar
103 BigOrange: She wouldn't get that far with me. She'd be long gone before it got to the marriage stage. Do you work in HR? I don't but I see a few HR people, bein
104 DrExotica: Quite correct 777FlyGuy. Simple common curtesy and common sense has been sadly lacking on most flights I've taken the past 15-20 years. This is anoth
105 FlyDeltaJets87: Those will fit conviently underneath the seat in front of you though. My roll aboard won't fit underneath the seat. Heh. Well, the bins on the left s
106 D L X: Ahh, but it will fit quite nicely underneath the floor. Go here and state your claim. I think it's off topic on this thread. The Purpose Of The Overh
107 S5FA170: So does your laptop case. I've checked a couple of those before. You just get to take your laptop out and place it on the floor underneath the seat i
108 D L X: Underneath the floor = checked. No one in their right mind would check a laptop. Nope. But post this in the other thread.
109 Bond007: You can disagree all you like, but in most cases, you are specifically instructed by the F/A to do so, and you would be if there was insufficient roo
110 S5FA170: Thank you. DLX, whether you like it or not - if I need the space your laptop case is occupying, you have two choices. 1) Comply. 2) Get taken off my
111 IAHFLYR: I vote for off the plane laptop and coat!
112 SJCRRPAX: Here's the funny thing to me. DLX is probably the most courteous and polite person here. I know that because only a polite person would check their su
113 Bond007: Do you really think, and want us to believe, that the reason anybody checks a bag is to be POLITE ...LOL Pleeeeeze. Jimbo
114 IAHFLYR: Or maybe standing outside Walmart (only 1 "L" in the Walmart I know) store holding a sign.....Polite & Curteous for 2 YRS.....come on, you've watched
115 SJCRRPAX: You misunderstood what I was saying, I haven't been watching him for 2 years, I was trying to predict how much longer he would keep his opinion based
116 IAHFLYR: After a reading again I apologize for a misinterpretation of your post!
117 LASOctoberB6: if i ended up sittin next to her and she jumped on me for some meticulous reason, i would have no problem cussin her out..........
118 DZ09: If I am sitting next to her I am definitely getting drunk! But seriously, I agree with all her points except for the drinking. I have a rule, if the f
119 Bobshap: Gee I think I sat next to her on my last flight. she didn't say anything to me but boy she had comments about everyone and everything that happened on
120 N908AW: Armrests??? I dunno...pretty sure on MY plane there were...umm...4 armrests. For 3 people. Maybe she should count. :P
121 Wukka: Well yeah, I do. Anything that can get beaten around goes under the floor because it's the POLITE thing to do. My laptop (if needed), iPod, fragile g
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