Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
Acording to takeoff.nu, Faroese start-up, only a year-old FaroeJet (F6) operating a single BAe 146 has declared bankruptcy; ceasing operations from Jan. 18th. Pax are transferred to Atlantic Airways (RC). The airline was owned by a consortium of faroese investors (realizing their expensive childhood dream of owning an airline).
The airline never realy took off, flying with far too many empty seats and having a lot of start-up problems - in addition to all the problems an airline will have flying to Vagar/FAE, one of the toughest airports in the world to operate from, with frequent closures of the airport due to whether.
The airline basically had the same concept as RC, and same planes also. Pilots from RC IIRC. Basicaly, the airline was probably doomed from the beginning; having tough competition from RC and its very loyal clientele as well as more planes and more flexibility.
Another one down. Hardly surprising though.
Kevin777
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" - CPH-TXL SK319
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
I have refuelled on two occasions in Vagar, but I never had the opportunity to stay overnight and so I haven't seen the town . ...I've always wondered what it's like???
Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
Quoting Ferrypilot (Reply 2): I have refuelled on two occasions in Vagar, but I never had the opportunity to stay overnight and so I haven't seen the town . ...I've always wondered what it's like???
On what ocasions have you had a fuel stop in FAE??. Just curious... not exactly THE airport for fuel stops etc..
With the risk of being atacked by Faroese a.netters, I'd say Vagar is absolutely nothing - but that is inded my personal opinion. A boring old fisherman's town, a few green hills and incredibly bad weather (the highlight of Vagar being the runway IMO!)
But I'm sure many people would disagree.. I've been at FAE a few times, I guess it's quite similar to northern Scotland, although I haven't been there.. What I do know is that as a Danish tax payer I pay a shitload of subsidies to those islands!!!! But that's another discussion forum!!!
Btw they are pretty serious on expanding the runway from 1250 meters to I think 1650 very soon at FAE...
Kevin777
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" - CPH-TXL SK319
TR From Denmark, joined May 2001, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2123 times:
Unfortunately FaroeJet has ended operations. They had a superb inflight product serving hot meals and complimentary bar service. Their overall inflight service was at a much higher level than competitor Atlantic Airways.
It is the 'usual' story of fine crew and product but very bad management right from the start. So unfortunately it was to end this way. However it is sad that airlines trying to deliver the good old type of service is not awarded by customers - even when the fares a good. But thats another story.
Had the opportunity to ride the jump seat with FaroeJet a few month back. A memory to stay with me!
The aircraft and its leasing contract has already been taken over by competitor Atlantic Airways. Suits them perfectly since the tragic loss of one of their 146s at Stord. They will fly the aircraft at least until spring when they receive two 'new' RJs. On the other had it is very likely that Atlantic Airways will order A318s or A319s as soon as the runway at Vagar has been extended to 1600 meters.
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3): On what ocasions have you had a fuel stop in FAE??. Just curious... not exactly THE airport for fuel stops etc..
In February 1985 Northair (Cessna dealer at that time) in Leeds, U.K. hired me to recover a new Cessna T303 that had been abandoned by another pilot in Frobisher Bay on Baffin Island. I flew it to Leeds via Sondrestrom, Reykjavik, Vagar and Prestwick.
On another ferry flight in May 1998 with a Beech Baron that I was flying from the U.K. to Chicago I also refueled in Vagar on the way between Prestwick and Reykjavik.
...Both occasions I had not been happy to fly direct between Iceland and Scotland or vice versa because of headwinds.
...Many other occasions I have routed overhead and it always seems to be closed out in bad weather. I reckon it must be one of the most bad weather affected airports in the World.
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
Well sometimes this site amazes me! ...I just found two photos of the actual Cessna Crusader that I rescued from the depths of winter in Frobisher Bay in 1985. It was brand new and had been left outside for two or three weeks and was absolutely covered in about 2 inches of solid ice. Even the inside and all of the instrument panel was completely frosted over. ...But after one night at truly "immense expense" in a heated hangar it was as good as new.
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
On what ocasions have you had a fuel stop in FAE??. Just curious... not exactly THE airport for fuel stops etc..
After seeing your question I looked for photos of the two aircraft that I had flown to Vagar in. As you can see one of them is above. Sadly I discovered that the other aircraft a Beech Baron 58P registered as N700LF crashed with the loss of four lives on the approach to Aurora State Airport, Oregon in January 1999 seven months after I had delivered the aircraft from the U.K. to Chicago.
Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
Quoting TR (Reply 4): Unfortunately FaroeJet has ended operations. They had a superb inflight product serving hot meals and complimentary bar service. Their overall inflight service was at a much higher level than competitor Atlantic Airways.
It is the 'usual' story of fine crew and product but very bad management right from the start.
And the usual story of an airline that hasn't recognized that on shorter hauls people want great service, yes, but they don't want to pay for it. I personallly think it's kind of sad, but not everyone on the planet is a romantic a.netter.. airlines will have to live with it!
Quoting TR (Reply 4): On the other had it is very likely that Atlantic Airways will order A318s or A319s as soon as the runway at Vagar has been extended to 1600 meters.
A 319 visited FAE in the spring of 06, it stopped after 650 meters!!! Okay, zero payload, but still cool!
Quoting Ferrypilot (Reply 7): Sadly I discovered that the other aircraft a Beech Baron 58P registered as N700LF crashed with the loss of four lives on the approach to Aurora State Airport, Oregon in January 1999 seven months after I had delivered the aircraft from the U.K. to Chicago.
Shit..! Must be a weird feeling
Kevin777
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" - CPH-TXL SK319
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 35 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1509 times:
Quoting Ferrypilot (Reply 5): In February 1985 Northair (Cessna dealer at that time) in Leeds, U.K. hired me to recover a new Cessna T303 that had been abandoned by another pilot in Frobisher Bay on Baffin Island. I flew it to Leeds via Sondrestrom, Reykjavik, Vagar and Prestwick.
You're like a flyboy Indiana Jones! I love it!
One question, the Sondre Stromfjord-Keflavik segment must have been brutal too?
Would breaking the Greenland-Iceland segment in two made any difference? Maybe drop down to Narsarsuaq and then over?, or stopping in Kulusuk? (I am assuming you did KEF and not RKV....)
Kulusuk is the only airport I can think of on the east coast....everything else are heliports. I don't know about the navaids however at a place like Kulusuk...(Geography is all I know!!!)
What was the reasoning for the PIK stop? When LBA was only 150nm down the way?
What that trip turn out to be, about 9-10 hours?
AirAmericaC46 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
Anybody knows what routes did it fly to? I assume it was also used for charters around Europe----what routes?Thanks forthe info.
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
Quoting Stirling (Reply 9): You're like a flyboy Indiana Jones! I love it!
Hi Stirling you just broke the record for the fastest time onto my respected user list with that one!
Quoting Stirling (Reply 9): One question, the Sondre Stromfjord-Keflavik segment must have been brutal too?
I think from memory I got a tailwind on that leg. And otherwise I was probably fairly happy to have two engines, because sometimes I have flown single engine aircraft across.
Quoting Stirling (Reply 9):
Would breaking the Greenland-Iceland segment in two made any difference? Maybe drop down to Narsarsuaq and then over?, or stopping in Kulusuk? (I am assuming you did KEF and not RKV....)
I have refuelled in Kulusuk on other occasions. 20 years ago there was no hotel there so you had to be careful not to get stuck overnight. But it is a really cool place and probably the most remote airfield in the world that I have visited.
When I go to Narsarsuaq I am usually flying the sectors ...Goose Bay - Narsarsuaq - Reykjavik
Quoting Stirling (Reply 9):
What was the reasoning for the PIK stop? When LBA was only 150nm down the way?
I can't really recall except to say that I was probably faced with arriving outside the opening hours for customs and immigration at Leeds.
[quote=Stirling,reply=9]What that trip turn out to be, about 9-10 hours?
...It was about 16 hours, ...I would have been cruising at 50-55% power most of the time to get the best range and conserve fuel.
Yes and I have made 51 solo crossings of the North Atlantic in small single and twin piston engine aircraft. ...But that is not unusual as there are other "hard core ferry pilots" out there who lay claim to hundreds of crossings.
Reference Keflavik and Reykjavik airports. Reykjavik is only 20 nautical miles east of Keflavik and it is smaller and more user friendly than Keflavik, so I always go to Reykjavik.
Apologies to other users for causing this thread to skew away from the original topic.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 7872 posts, RR: 65 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1186 times:
Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter): Acording to takeoff.nu, Faroese start-up, only a year-old FaroeJet (F6) operating a single BAe 146 has declared bankruptcy; ceasing operations from Jan. 18th. Pax are transferred to Atlantic Airways (RC). The airline was owned by a consortium of faroese investors (realizing their expensive childhood dream of owning an airline).
Oh dear, I was supposed to be flying them from Vagar to CPH next April, although I have a firm ticket for the flight, I have not received anything from them to say they have re-booked me on Atlantic Airways. Will contact them after Christmas, shame they went under, I was looking forwards to the flight,
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
The interesting approach to Vagar which can be very effected by wind shear. My recollection is that the approach on the other end is more spectacular because at least one side of the fjord begins to rise in close proximity to your wingtip as you descend on the approach. ...I made the decision a long time ago to avoid ever going there unless the weather is VFR.
Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 987 times:
Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 10): Anybody knows what routes did it fly to? I assume it was also used for charters around Europe----what routes?Thanks forthe info.
The a/c was based in CPH, and the prime route was no doubt CPH-FAE. Actually I don't know what else they did, but probably some FAE-BLL too, maybe some oil-charters in Norway etc. Don't think they ever managed to land a charter from CPH, as RC does a lot, primarily to ski resorts in the wintertime, when they have their low season on the scheduled.
Quoting Ferrypilot (Reply 13): The interesting approach to Vagar which can be very effected by wind shear.
It certainly can. IIRC that was what brought down a Gulfstream from the Danish Air Force 8-10 years ago or so there as it was landing, killing most of the top of the Danish military.
Kevin777
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" - CPH-TXL SK319
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 863 times:
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 14):
It certainly can. IIRC that was what brought down a Gulfstream from the Danish Air Force 8-10 years ago or so there as it was landing, killing most of the top of the Danish military.
In the photo above it looks like the aircraft is actually flying 4 reds on the VASI's. ...Which is normally considered to be too low and so perhaps that aircraft is being adversely affected by windshear as the photo was being taken.
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