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Qantas Increases Flights To San Francisco  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

On SYD flights, SFO gains a bit on LAX.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061218/20061218005337.html?.v=1

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User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9619 times:

According to the article, the flights arrive at SFO at 9:45AM and depart at 11:00PM. I wonder why Qantas does not switch the return to a day flight leaving SFO about noon.

I recently flew the day flight from LAX to SYD and thought it was much better than an overnight. We arrive in SYD in time to make it to a hotel and go to bed. The next morning (when those overnight flights are arriving) I wake up rested and ready to go.

This would also allow them to increase aircraft utilization.

BTW, I think Qantas has a great trans-Pacific product in coach. Thank you to for the FA's that make that long flight much more pleasant.

Andrew


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9459 times:

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 1):
According to the article, the flights arrive at SFO at 9:45AM and depart at 11:00PM. I wonder why Qantas does not switch the return to a day flight leaving SFO about noon.

They are currently doing seasonal flights to Vancouver, BC. So the flight contiunes onto vancouver then returns to SFO in the evening.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9441 times:
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Quoting Legacyins (Reply 2):
They are currently doing seasonal flights to Vancouver, BC. So the flight contiunes onto vancouver then returns to SFO in the evening.

Flights to YVR end in January...then restart in May?


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

QF only recently resumed flights to QF. I would not be surprised if QF upgraded it to daily service within a year or less. Will QF also offer flights throughout the year to YVR? As soon as QF takes delivery of the A-380s and other long haul aircraft, I expect that it will start flying nonstop to DFW or other cities in the central and eastern regions of the United States and Canada. Also does anyone know if there enough demand for QF to fly nonstop from SYD to JFK when it receives its new aircraft?

User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

This is great to hear.....Hopefully QF starts daily services to SYD... checkmark 


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9265 times:

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 1):
I wonder why Qantas does not switch the return to a day flight leaving SFO about noon.

I recently flew the day flight from LAX to SYD and thought it was much better than an overnight. We arrive in SYD in time to make it to a hotel and go to bed. The next morning (when those overnight flights are arriving) I wake up rested and ready to go.

This would also allow them to increase aircraft utilization.

QF would be more than happy not to park aircraft all day long, however unlike yourself, the red-eyes are preferable for many. In addition the red-eyes offer much more connectivity on both the US and particularly SYD end.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 9102 times:

I read that SQ might go after SFO-SYD if they are turndown again for LAX-SYD in 2007. Maybe Qantas wants to discourage SQ?????

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 9081 times:

I'm not sure about SQ on SYD-SFO, since Star Alliance partner UA is running 744s on this route - SFO being one of their hubs, and neither SYD nor SFO being SQ hubs, it's more or less UA's turf. My guess is that for SQ, it's SYD-LAX or nothing.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
My guess is that for SQ, it's SYD-LAX or nothing.

Very good point. Hard to tell what will happen, one thing is for sure, in 2007 Singapore will try again.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8974 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 9):
Very good point. Hard to tell what will happen, one thing is for sure, in 2007 Singapore will try again.

With Virgin Blue's announcement that they will be establishing a long haul airline specifically to target the US routes, and their confirmation that they are currently sourcing aircraft for a 2008 start, SQ has between nil and no chance of getting into OZ-US Trans Pac now. Competition is already coming.  Smile


Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
This is great to hear.....Hopefully QF starts daily services to SYD

So do I!!! The connections through SFO are much preferable to connecting in LAX.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 10):
SQ has between nil and no chance of getting into OZ-US Trans Pac now. Competition is already coming

And aren;t Air Canada also due to start LAX-SYD sometime ine the next 2 years?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
And aren;t Air Canada also due to start LAX-SYD sometime ine the next 2 years?

Indeed. Air Canada will be ready as soon as late Spring '07 pending approvals from Australian authorities.
As is AC has begun reshaping its LAX scheduled to provide a morning and evening mini-hub bank of flights that will connect its various Canadian destinations with the proposed SYD service.


"Air Canada to challenge Qantas on US-Australia services

Friday January 27, 2006

Air Canada intends to challenge Qantas between Los Angeles and Sydney next year, operating fifth freedom services as part of a daily Toronto-Sydney service that will commence during the first half of 2007 when its new 777-300ERs and dash 200LRs begin arriving.Air Canada said it will use authority contained in the recent open skies agreement between the US and Canada and will apply to Canadian and Australian authorities for permission to operate the route.

Air Canada flights will be timed to offer "convenient connection possibilities" from LAX to and from Montreal, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver as well as connections across the US via Star Alliance partners United Airlines and US Airways. AC already operates between the US and Australia on its Vancouver-Honolulu-Sydney service using existing route authorities.



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 10):

So do I!!! The connections through SFO are much preferable to connecting in LAX.

 checkmark ...SFO is so much better than LAX.... yes 



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 1):
According to the article, the flights arrive at SFO at 9:45AM and depart at 11:00PM. I wonder why Qantas does not switch the return to a day flight leaving SFO about noon.

because of the curfew in Sydney...flight arrives at 1020pm, curfew commences at 11pm, Qantas would end up with alot of pissed off passengers who've missed connections, mind you, they only have 1 flight to Melbourne between 10 & 11pm so it wouldn't work.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 4):
As soon as QF takes delivery of the A-380s and other long haul aircraft, I expect that it will start flying nonstop to DFW or other cities in the central and eastern regions of the United States and Canada. Also does anyone know if there enough demand for QF to fly nonstop from SYD to JFK when it receives its new aircraft?

DFW as soon as it is technically & economially feasable, QF want that AA fortress hub working for them!

Anywhere else in the US is more problematic. JFK non-stop, I doubt. Loads seem to be fairly light LAX-JFK-LAX, with cargo supposedly making the flight profitable. If thats the case I would guess pax load would be insufficient to justify a non-stop, and cargo does not care if its non stop or not.

Anywhere else? Well SFO will go daily (i'd guess in 08) and I supect there will be movement in Canada, other than that I wouldn't think there would be much change in QFs US services. JQ is an entirely different question.

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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

Look to the future

Star Alliance has some real strength - AC, New Zealand and UA running routes, OneWorld has Qantas dominating the US-OZ market. SkyTeam is missing. NW has been building up its ops out of LAX for some time now, as well as SEA. Once their 787s start arriving, I don't think it's at all out of the question to think they might try to open up an west coast to Sydney route, likewise DL has some 772LRs on the way that could certainly connect any number of their hubs or focus cities (again, a powerful LAX op for DL and a hub in SLC) to SYD. I expect one of them to give it a shot.

Qantas to DFW would be huge - it would put SYD within one connection of nearly everywhere in the US.



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 15):
DFW as soon as it is technically & economially feasable, QF want that AA fortress hub working for them!



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 16):
Qantas to DFW would be huge - it would put SYD within one connection of nearly everywhere in the US.

Codesharing is one of AA's fasting growing revenues...

I think we'lll see SYD/MEL-DFW once QF gets their 787's...it will be perfectly suited for those routes...

Given how much QF-AA dominate SYD/MEL-LAX..it's going to be difficult for Skyteam to compete on the SYD-LAX route....I think Star Alliance would have a better shot with AC/UA-combo...



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
Indeed. Air Canada will be ready as soon as late Spring '07 pending approvals from Australian authorities.

Have they received government approval yet?? Just asking because I have been watching but haven't heard anything.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 15):
DFW as soon as it is technically & economially feasable, QF want that AA fortress hub working for them!

Will one of the 787 derivatives have that sort of range??

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 15):
Anywhere else? Well SFO will go daily (i'd guess in 08) and I supect there will be movement in Canada, other than that I wouldn't think there would be much change in QFs US services. JQ is an entirely different question.

I'd have thought that SFO would be a priority to go daily 744 once the A380's free the aircraft up. If QF wanted to extend their LAX services elsewhere it would be interesting to see a Chicago vs Toronto calculation there somewhere. There were plans to fly to ORD that were shelved but I'm wondering if, like JFK, QF would extend the service there for presence and cargo purposes?? Or maybe they could kill two birds with one stone and extend a 744 service in to Ord via Hong Kong. I'll have to check the treaty to see if they can do that.  Smile That would solve a hole in AA's network and give a nice alternative to United.

As for JQ, I'd expect them to take over HNL completely when the 787's start arriving but other than that I'd have though services through to Rome, Athens and other destinations in Europe would be a priority over North America.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8034 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 16):
Qantas to DFW would be huge - it would put SYD within one connection of nearly everywhere in the US.

Given the range of the 787-9 (8,800 nautical miles still air range), QF could use the 787-9 (probably in a roomier two-class configuration) to fly between SYD and DFW nonstop.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7807 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8327 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
...SFO is so much better than LAX....

That depends on who you ask  Cool



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 20):
That depends on who you ask  cool 

It's called "words of God"....don't blame me... Wink



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User currently offlineBimmerkid19 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

What are the outlooks on Qantas doing MSP-AKL-SYD or MSP-PPT-SYD. I have seen on many occasions in the Startribune, one of the two major papers in the MSP area, many advertisements in the Sunday Travel section that are by Qantas. That would be awesome to see the Kangaroo tail's at MSP, that'd be nice to have a second "red-tail" carrier in the MSP market  Wink

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 18):
Have they received government approval yet??

No from what I gather the Australian's are dragging their feet and arguing about a technicality.

Apparently the Australia-Canada bilateral does not specifically mention Los Angeles as a stop over point for service between the countries. Off course, when the bilateral was written I doubt anyone envisioned AC would look to serve Australia directly with equipment that was capable of such long flights, instead using a hop and skip (Honolulu) routing via the US which is clearly less threatening then a nonstop flight to LA would be for an Australian carrier.



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User currently offlineBimmerkid19 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 22):

adding to that.... MSP-PPT is 4,838 nm and PPT-SYD is 3,308 nm, which I am sure is well within the reach of a Boeing B747-400ER, am I correct? *PPT it Papatee, Fiji



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25 Copaair737 : Not going to happen. Period. -Copa
26 Post contains images 777FlyGuy : I'm guessing this will start about the time JetBlue begins A380 service between LGB and OAK.
27 Aussie747 : The market is too small, however MSP like a lot of cities would become more accessible say in about 2 1/2 years if QF decide to launch SYD - DFW and
28 Bimmerkid19 : why? Because MSP needs diversity. We need more Foreign Airlines, MSP only has Air Canada Jazz, Icelandair, and seasonally KLM. [Edited 2006-12-19 05:0
29 Post contains images 777FlyGuy : You are probably correct. However, as has been stated, Australia is pretty much a Oneworld destination, then Star Alliance. With MSP being Skyteam, a
30 Bimmerkid19 : I hope! I'll keep crossing my fingers, because I'd love to see jets arriving in MSP that say the spirit of australia on them. MSP needs diversity. I
31 YULWinterSkies : I totally support that, especially as all are related to cold destinations! And Minnesota is a very cool place! However, I wonder how many Aussies wo
32 Post contains links SFORunner : http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/agreements/html/australia_e.html CANADA Points of Origin Canada Intermediate Points San Francisco, Honolulu, Tahi
33 AS739X : BimmerKid19: Fail geography class? PPT Its in French Polynesia And MSP to SYD on QF is not going to happen. ASLAX
34 Gemuser : SYD/MEL-DFW would render most "tags" in the USA as redundent. After this the ONLY tags that MIGHT make sence are those to cities AA does not serve no
35 HAWAIIAN932 : When I first started flying to Australia way back in 1979, QANTAS was the only game in town. I would be put on a National Airlines flight from LAX-SFO
36 Gemuser : Errr? PA 811/812 at that time was operating LAX-HNL-SYD, with B742s I think. Gemuser
37 Aussie747 : I have just noticed on the new QF schedules, that these two new added services are at the expense of SYD-LAX losing two new services. So Adh214 you pr
38 Planetime : As much I love LAX as an spotting airport SFO is much better airport for normal passengers to deal with. Any new service for LAX for QF for the peak s
39 Jfk777 : About 15 years ago QF made the decision to concentrate at LAX and quit SFO. SFO was QF's first US destination back when 707 and Constellation flew. Wh
40 IAD380 : Would a nonstop SYD-JFK flight be profitable once QF takes delivery of its 787s? Currently, traffic is light on the LAX-JFK-LAX sectors because QF ha
41 Laxintl : I always found it odd, how QF just walked away from SFO. While we all agree the LA market is significantly larger than the Bay Area, QF had decades o
42 ANstar : Given they already fly 5 x weekly (?) to JFK I can;t see how different it owuld be if they flew non stop. It would still utilise an aircraft for that
43 Gemuser : Part of the reason is that QF could not get traffic rights at both SFO & LAX. I dont remember the exact sequence of events. They don't really dedicat
44 Laxintl : As Gemuser has explained they are two quite different scenarios. Currently QF managed to operate LAX-JFK-LAX with an aircraft that would otherwise be
45 Airnewzealand : QF107/108 does not get feed from QF25/26... the flight arrives too late...and departs too early. Hope that helps. Cheers
46 Sydscott : True although in a place like New York I'd imagine that Qantas would want to keep its own presence there. Don't forget that QF have Jetstar Asia in S
47 Australia1 : When arriving into SYD at 2220 you cannot connect to any other flight that night !!!
48 Post contains images QANTAS077 : no joke...read the last sentence of my post!
49 Australia1 : Wish QF would look at operating BNE/SFO/YVR, esp. will AC coming online with SYD/LAX soon so they can they offer SYD/LAX/YVR & SYD/LAX/YYC etc. ( hope
50 Jacobin777 : Once QF's 787 workhorses come online..I wouldn't be surprised to see QF/JQ opening a lot of interesting new routes...
51 Australia1 : Lets hope !!! Be interesting to see what new American owners will do. Maybe they'll be more USA-centric & less SYD-centric.
52 Post contains images Sydscott : Um, when last I looked Allco was the proposed largest shareholder of Qantas. So those "new American" owners wont be able to do much without the Aussi
53 Australia1 : your kidding aren't u. The yanks will definitely be calling the shots, Bonderman I think his name is, & co.
54 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....I would prefer to see QF more "Australia-centric" rather than SYD-centric... With Dixon on the help, I think they will allow him to run QF the wa
55 Australia1 : Agreed but with UA in a mess, won't they try & increase QF's market share out of the U.S./Canada ?
56 Jacobin777 : Actually, UA is no longer in a mess (bankruptcy)....also, they are going to be improving their interiours in a number of planes... Personally, I woul
57 ANstar : While more high yield pax want to fly from/to Sydney I can't see this changing
58 Post contains images Sydscott : No I'm not kidding. Part of the deal is that QF will remain majority Australian owned and Allco, along with Macquarie, will make some pretty good app
59 Post contains images Jacobin777 : True, but at least the parent comany is still QF... ...
60 QANTAS077 : finally...someone who has some common sense, i've been ramming this same argument in the takeover thread and coming up with the same nonsense from Au
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Given the size and economic growth of Perth, I would be surprised to see QF/JQ ignore PER in the future..especially once they get the B787s. I see mo
62 Australia1 : yes but when ? AC will be on SYD/LAX & DJ will probably be flying OZ/US & maybe even SQ before UA get their act together. Still the issue of the 60 y
63 QANTAS077 : i live here...the economy has been booming in the west for 3 years or more and the only thing QF has done is reduce it's capacity out of Perth on int
64 LAXdude1023 : While I dont disagree that MSP could support an Air France or a LH, or a BA, QF will NEVER happen at MSP. The market is definately not there. Its jus
65 QANTAS077 : you see the thing is this...it wasn't one person/company that launched the takeover bid, it was 5, 3 of which are Australian and have a 60% voting in
66 Australia1 : & who do these Australian interests work for/financed by ? It just to satisfy the silly rules, ( rules are made to be broken anyway ) which they've m
67 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : True.no direct international routes..which is terrible..I'm hoping though there will be enough critical mass to start more international PER services
68 Gemuser : To Simplicity & all the other posters lamenting the lack of QF flights out of ports other than SYD: 1) You are right, except for the Victorians 2) 68%
69 Acidradio : You need to look at the population base of MSP. There are a bunch of Canadians (can't leave the cold, they melt, I know, I dated one for many years),
70 Baroque : Just wish they would go Syd to Vancouver without stopping in US territory, I think there would be quite a market in avoiding the US transit hassles.
71 VHVXB : Same here. AC could possibly do it once they start receiving their B777s or do it with the A345s
72 Jacobin777 : I also believe it will be a route QF/JQ will do with their 787's...
73 Planetime : Any set dates for this or equipment for this route? I guess nothing will be done in the economy cabin. Any news of fleet renewl at UA or when the 744
74 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Hi Planetime... IIRC, UA is looking into their B767 fleet replacement....not sure about the 744, but Tilton did say that the "B748I would fit UA's fl
75 Gemuser : No, the Oz/Canada bi-lateral must be added to to allow this. I understand that Canada is having trouble getting Oz to the table. Which makes sence, a
76 Australia1 : yes, but my point is, there should be daily BNE/LAX now at the expense of a few SYD/LAX services. pax ex-BNE are forced to fly via SYD a few days of
77 Gemuser : OK, but prove that QF would make more money doing it your way, as opposed to the way they are doing it now. [Hint: You can't, because if you could, t
78 Australia1 : I disagree. There are far to many seats ex-SYD. You can just about always get on a QF SYD/LAX flight, whereas BNE/LAX can be difficult. What can't be
79 Post contains images Gemuser : We are probabley going to go round in circles again, but, once again, how do you know there are far too many seats SYD-LAX? Just because it MAY be ea
80 Planetime : Thanks for the info!!
81 Australia1 : airlines maybe !!! (for now)
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