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WSJ Lufthansa 747-800 Ad  
User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17457 times:

Did anyone else see it in today's WSJ? It was pretty impressive, two full pages. I really hope that boeing does not get too cocky, Airbus might be a little down with investors right now, but they still make a fine product. Has it been discussed here that LH is the launch customer, I am almost surprised it wasn't an Asian carrier?

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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17260 times:

Yup, LH placed an order of 20 747-8I + 20 purchase rights.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061206a_nr.html

Quoting ASEFlyer (Thread starter):
I really hope that boeing does not get too cocky

Boeing is not cocky at all with 747-8I. It's just a niche market player.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17218 times:

Their was a full-page color ad in today's NY Times too. Even Mrs. FoxBravo commented that it was a nice-looking plane!


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17103 times:

anyone nice enough to scan it?

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9313 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17068 times:

Boeing had similar ads - over 2 full pages - in major German newspapers yesterday.

Earlier this year, they had the same ad campagne - the 747-8 in Boeing house colours of course - which prompted me to write here and in another forum that LH will buy. Many did not agree then.



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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16945 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 3):
anyone nice enough to scan it?

Don't know how to paste it here. Just click the link:

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4401/764/1600/475779/LH748_lg.jpg

Cheers


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16776 times:

link doesn't work.



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filler


User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16764 times:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 6):
link doesn't work.

It does for me, but I'll put it here.
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4401/764/1600/475779/LH748_lg.jpg


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16733 times:

Quoting Feroze (Reply 7):
It does for me, but I'll put it here.

Doesn't work either for me  crying 


User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16753 times:

OK, this should work:
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...6791&filename=1166515163E7M9mN.jpg

[Edited 2006-12-19 09:12:10]

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16668 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
Earlier this year, they had the same ad campagne - the 747-8 in Boeing house colours of course - which prompted me to write here and in another forum that LH will buy. Many did not agree then.

They have revolving adds in every monthly aviation magazine and news magazines. Sometimes it is the 787, the 777 or the 747-8.
Nice to see they have changed the 747-8 add with one in LH colors. Would not mind to see an add with the 787 in TUI colors soon..... Smile



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9313 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16635 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
They have revolving adds in every monthly aviation magazine and news magazines. Sometimes it is the 787, the 777 or the 747-8

yes, but I was referring to the ads in FAZ, WELT etc. which is rather uncommon unless a major Gernan airline seriously thinks about, or has decided to buy some.



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16576 times:

what a beautiful aircraft!


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16561 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
yes, but I was referring to the ads in FAZ, WELT etc. which is rather uncommon unless a major Gernan airline seriously thinks about, or has decided to buy some.

I have seen these adds also in Spiegel, Focus, Stern etc. and always thought that this has to be seen in connection with the upcoming LH order since these were aircraft in which only Lufthansa could have interest in especially the 777F and 747-8.
Recently I have seen mostly adds for the 777F btw.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16443 times:

Sueddeutsche Zeitung also had such an ad yesterday, a whole page.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16143 times:

There was a really attractive ad for the plane in this week's issue of AW&ST. I'll take a look in the WSJ as well when I grab it on my way out the door.


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineParapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16022 times:

I understand that LH has gone for the "Max" seating option by putting the Galley(s) in the Crown of the aircraft ,I assume the crew quarters as well. Has anyone seen a technical layout for this?

User currently offlineCoolfeet77 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 15806 times:

The ad also appeared in the Washington Post and the Financial Times yesterday, Monday, 18 Dec 2006.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15360 times:

Looks exactly like an LH 744, only the wing is a little different.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15206 times:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536886791/1166515163E7M9mN.jpg

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Looks exactly like an LH 744, only the wing is a little different.

Isn't the "hunchback" as you like to call it noticeably longer on the 748i as well?

[Edited 2006-12-19 14:48:41]

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15093 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Looks exactly like an LH 744, only the wing is a little different.

The engines are different, and the upper deck is longer. Yes, I know the fuselage is longer, too, but that can't be seen very good here.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14414 times:

It looks really nice ! I can´t wait until it comes ...

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30898 posts, RR: 87
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14306 times:
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Boeing ran it in the Seattle Times a day or so back. Nice ad.

User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12520 times:

Quoting Parapente (Reply 16):
I understand that LH has gone for the "Max" seating option by putting the Galley(s) in the Crown of the aircraft ,I assume the crew quarters as well. Has anyone seen a technical layout for this?

Could you elaborate on this? Are you suggesting that what Boeing was calling the "loft" [I think] where sleeper berths were proposed might be a galley on the LH -8's? I was wondering what they might do with that space, if anything, and if so would it result in a range penalty?

Also, to the thread starter's concern about Boeing getting cocky. Trust me, the people at Boeing have nothing but respect for the capabilities and resilience of their able competitors at Airbus.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12520 times:

Hopefully same appears on Flight International magazine...

25 Stitch : Boeing has proposed moving the galley and crew rest areas above the main cabin to open up an extra dozen or so seats on the main deck. LH has evident
26 Post contains images MasseyBrown : I got a laugh from the comment of Lufthansa SVP Nico Bucholz on the 747-8 quoted in the Dec 11th AW&ST, "It's brilliant for operations where you don't
27 PanHAM : well, it is a good understatement, isn't it? Now, how do they call markets where they send the A346 or even the 343/333? Cozy in German is "Gemuetlic
28 SuseJ772 : This is what I don't get. Why in the world does Boeing waste money advertising in Newspapers and Magazines? It isn't like their customers are sitting
29 Post contains images USAF336TFS : That certainly does qualify as a hint, perhaps, Columba... Let's    Just one word - "Investors"[Edited 2006-12-19 19:19:33]
30 Stitch : It's designed to generate interest in the airliner and the airline flying it. We often say passengers have no clue what plane they are flying on and
31 LHStarAlliance : I one time read that Airlines consider at 5 % if the Airplane is popular or not (95 % Engines , Range etc , 5% reputation of the airplane) see SQ is
32 Aapilot2b : She is a real beauty.
33 SuseJ772 : These are all great insights, I like learning it and all. But I still just find it odd. I would never have thought the "brand" would play that much in
34 Pmg1704 : True, but this advert in the WSJournal was 600 inches in area! (30" wide and 20" tall!) Full color front section, plus an additional 1/2 page. Must h
35 Glideslope : The wing is a completely new design.
36 A342 : IIRC it isn't completely new. Otherwise they would have reduced the sweep.
37 Stitch : The wing has been re-profiled, but it still shares much of the design with the wing on the 747-400 and therefore is not really "new" compared to if B
38 Whappeh : Is the upper deck longer then on the 744? That is a really nice looking aircraft.
39 Post contains images Ikramerica : It just looks well proportioned because the the larger engines and the large bump and the wing extensions and the taller tail, so the overall length
40 Post contains images AvObserver : As we know, this raises Boeing's quoted nominal tri-class passenger capacity from 467 to 479, although LH will only be flying around 400 according to
41 Post contains images A350 : That's also aimed at Airbus saying "hey, we want to buy big planes, why don't you deliver?" Please not. Have mercy with the poor Dreamliner A350
42 FlyLKU : Thanks for the insight. I have been on at least one 747 that I know of that had a galley in the basement - below the main deck. With the -8 it sounds
43 Whappeh : That is down right impressive. I look forward very much to seeing these aircraft in action.
44 Post contains images NorCal : Care to share?
45 Zenarcade : Actually quite the contrary. This is a prime example of co-op advertising where two companies will use one ad to sell a product or service. For Boein
46 777fan : Also note the wing flex on the port side. Beautiful aircraft; congrats to both parties. 777fan
47 Ikramerica : I had trouble posting it to imageshack, but I sent it to Zvezda, so maybe he can post it somewhere for us?
48 LH410 : Does anybody have an idea when this marvellous plane will be incorporated into th LH fleet???
49 Ikramerica : mid 2010. About 2 years after the first A380s, if all goes to plan for both Airbus and Boeing. The original offer date was late 2009, but since nobody
50 N1786b : Although our interest in the full page 747-8i ads in the WSJ are of interest and I fully appreciate the insights and analysis, what comes to mind is
51 Zenarcade : Do you have any links to examples of this Airbus x-box advertising? I tried searching but came up empty handed. Adam
52 Post contains links N1786b : www.atwonline.com for starters - the flash intro and banner ads, any of the latest print issues of Flight International, and the latest copies of the
53 Pmg1704 : Because the WS Journal has: 1) general readership not simply aviation specific, 2) circulation of 2.6 million, 10x the size of the herald tribune.
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