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NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C  
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Air New Zealand Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 Aircraft

Air New Zealand has confirmed the purchase of an additional four Boeing 787-9 aircraft to meet its growth plans over the next decade.

General Manager Strategic Development Nathan Agnew says that with this order Air New Zealand has now confirmed the purchase of a total of eight 787-9 aircraft and has secured options over eight further production slots giving the airline access to sixteen of these new generation aircraft over the coming decade.

Following on from the launch of the new Auckland – Shanghai service in November and the second daily service from Auckland to London over Hong Kong, Mr Agnew said that Air New Zealand is committed to a growth strategy and today’s announcement ensures that Air New Zealand will be equipped with the latest and most fuel efficient aircraft of their type to pursue further growth.

Air New Zealand is the launch customer for Boeing’s 787-9 aircraft, with the first aircraft due to be introduced into service in 2011 and the last of the eight aircraft purchased to date being delivered in 2013. As the launch customer Air New Zealand is working closely with the Boeing design team on the specification and development of the 787-9.

Mr Agnew says the four additional 787-9s have a list price of around NZ$1 billion but the airline achieved a significant discount on this when it was one of the first airlines in the world to commit to the 787 programme.

“These new aircraft will provide Air New Zealand with a solid platform to realise its growth ambitions over the next decade. Given their capability to fly direct to regions like South Africa, India, South America, Asia and deep into China and North America, we will have some exciting new opportunities to pursue,” Mr Agnew says.

“Over the past year a tremendous amount of analysis and research has been underway to identify those markets that offer Air New Zealand significant potential for growth during the next ten years. This has highlighted some really interesting opportunities and we are really excited about the prospect of being able to further boost tourism and trade between New Zealand and new destinations.”

Mr Agnew says Air New Zealand is committed to launching at least one new international route every year and it expects to announce a new addition to its network within the next few months.

“We are confident New Zealand travellers and businesses will be excited about the new destination, which we aim to have operating before the end of 2007.”

Mr Agnew says an important benefit of the 787-9 is its fuel efficiency, with a 20 percent reduction in fuel consumption when compared with similar aircraft flying today.


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 90
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10095 times:
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The following is a link to the filing with the ASX. You will need to open the PDF for full details

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics...eSearchType=D&releasedDuringCode=W

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10095 times:
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Its excellent that NZ is expanding its fleet further. I was expecting this B789 order announcement last week, but its worth waiting.

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

Was this order a previously identified order on Boeing's website as a UFO?

Good news for NZ, Boeing, and the 787 program.



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

Any bids on the new route to start before the end of 2007?

My bets are on another North American destination... perhaps Vancouver.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9989 times:

So that's done for now, so when's the 777-300ER order?

User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

The smaller 787-8 would, as Qantas knows, be useful for carrying 230-250 passengers point to point between every major Australian city plus AKL and CHC and SFO/LAX/YVR/ORD.

But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes, and instead it will be wasted on long, thin routes at low frequencies from AKL to Bombay, Beijing and Buenos Aires.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21505 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

Four more frames for RR. The difference between them and GE is now less than the imminent Qantas order...

(I have no finger nails left...)


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

Might simply be a matter of NZ not having the very first delivery slots. IIRC, SQ is still targeting a 2010 EIS of the 787-9.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9698 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

dont forget that only 4 of the -200s are owned - the others are only leased .

The 787-9s are a bit smaller - once they start looking at 787-10s then I think you can say that the 777-200ERs days are numbered - but even if the -10 were launched tomorrow I couldn't see delivery before about 2015 which would give the 777-200ERs another 9 years or so of service.

I think you also need to bear in mind that the 787s will run rings around 'old' aircraft like the 777 and 747 in terms of passenger comfort , in view of the sort of stage lengths NZ have this is an important consideration - I , for one , really look forward to coming off a long sector not feeling like I have been put through a dehydrator .



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
s I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has. The smaller 787-8 would, as Qantas knows, be useful for carrying 230-250 passengers point to point between every major Australian city plus AKL and CHC and SFO/LAX/YVR/ORD. But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes,

It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services that is going to continue to undermine its whole network. As NZ looks away from the Tasman, the Australian airlines and EK are giving the Tasman the respect that it deserves - not because of itself, but for what it contributes to the rest of their networks.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9610 times:
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Great news for NZ. My bets on the 789 would be BOM, YVR and EZE (Once ETOPS 330 comes in.)

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9553 times:
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Quoting Antskip (Reply 11):
It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services

News is, expect an announcement around March

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?


Might simply be a matter of NZ not having the very first delivery slots. IIRC, SQ is still targeting a 2010 EIS of the 787-9.

NZ is confirmed as first delivery of B789. Remember that QF and JQ also have B789s on order and will receive their first B789s after NZs first delivery. This EIS for this B789 options order would reflect that


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9494 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

Another ill thought out comment from Koruman.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes, and instead it will be wasted on long, thin routes at low frequencies from AKL to Bombay, Beijing and Buenos Aires.

So to service cities like BOM do you fly over SIN? or over supply with a 773 or 744 or A340??? Wait there is another choice.... 789! Right capacity right range! works well with me

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
Great news for NZ. My bets on the 789 would be BOM, YVR and EZE (Once ETOPS 330 comes in.)

Hmmm BOM is a Yes from what I understand.. this can always change, YVR I would like, lets hope it's before AC come direct to AKL. EZE, well I like the idea it's been confirmed as a place they are "looking" at but I'm not sure if it will work.

Quoting Antskip (Reply 11):
It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services that is going to continue to undermine its whole network

Incorrect. Wait and see around March/April.

"Ground TG992"

[Edited 2006-12-19 09:27:45]


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9447 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 14):
Hmmm BOM is a Yes from what I understand.. this can always change, YVR I would like, lets hope it's before AC come direct to AKL. EZE, well I like the idea it's been confirmed as a place they are "looking" at but I'm not sure if it will work.

Great about BOM! I can't wait to use that service. It is a shame though that BD cut BOM flights so I can't have a stopover on the way to LHR in India without utilising horrid LH.

To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9392 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?

I Don't expect it till 2008-2010 along with India and the 787's.

Next year will be PVG-XXX (within Europe). Wait and see this also works in with Rob's comment. "We are focusing on North Asia right now".



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9338 times:

Next year is already down to just two choices: it's either Shanghai-Manchester or Shanghai-Frankfurt. I couldn't predict which will win, but I understand that both British Midland and Shanghai Airlines have been invited to codeshare on a potential Shanghai to Manchester flight.

As I've said before, for freight purposes (not just passengers) I would like to see a Nadi-Auckland-Mumbai flight rather than just AKL-BOM.

I love Fyfe's attachment to North Asia in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

1 success out of 6, and with even four "developed, affluent" destinations failing. And we expect a developing China with much lower GDP per capita and much lower executive salaries and perks to succeed where sophisticated, affluent markets like Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore have failed.

[Edited 2006-12-19 09:56:28]

User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 4):
My bets are on another North American destination... perhaps Vancouver.

My pick also. I wouldn't be surprised if it is AKL-NAN-YVR because of range issues... rather than via LAX, SFO or HNL

If it is Europe, maybe AKL-PVG-MUC or AKL-PVG-FRA


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3655 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9243 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

Boeing has a late 2010 date listed on their website for the -9. That date could be the first delivery, but it doesn't say. If NZ is saying a 2011 EIS, then it is possible that either:
a. It is a typo
b. The delivery is in late December
c. NZ is going to hold off on putting it into service


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 90
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9229 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

December 2010 was the original delivery mentioned when NZ converted their 4 x 788 orders into the 789 so if anything, it's just the wording or NZ maybe referring to EIS in January, 2011. The following is what Boeing stated about delivery when NZ converted.

PHOENIX, May 11, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] will deliver the first 787-9 Dreamliner to Air New Zealand in December 2010. ANZ converted its original order for four 787-8 airplanes to four 787-9 airplanes.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060511d_pr.html

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Great news for NZ.

SUJ


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Well, we were certain that more 787s were coming.. Now to see the routes of them! Better be appealing!

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

I don't think Shanghai is doing too well presently, although things could turn around like HKG if a European destination is considered. If Shanghai doesn't turn out the numbers as they expect, what will happen with the Beijing market?



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
it's either Shanghai-Manchester or Shanghai-Frankfurt

Bingo, both are coming just not sure which will be from PVG. If I had to guess now I would say FRA based on:
1. UK - NZ Traffic has just been boosted with NZ38/NZ39 Might be to soon to add the third?
2. Based on HKG- LON being a little slow any more UK new routes it might be via the US.
3. We used to carry German pax FRASINAKL so we can pick up a lot of these pax again plus cargo.
4. There has been a lot of talk about going back in FRA for a while now.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

Tokyo - Doing okay
Osaka - Not so good
Fukuoka - Goooone
Nagoya - Gooone
*** All these are in one country, North Asia is more than Japan ***
Taipei - South Asia
Hong Kong - South Asia but doing well as you said
Shanghai - Pre first flight sales were better than when SFO started and loads are good!!

There is talk of BJS and also onward flights to Europe from China, this is the growth northing more. He does not have plans to fly to 15 cities in North Asia.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21505 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 19):
Boeing has a late 2010 date listed on their website for the -9.

This only reinforces what some of us were saying last year regarding the "upcoming" A380 delays.

When a company says "late" in the year they mean "as late as possible without going into next year." When they say fourth quarter, they mean december. When they say second half of 2010, they don't mean July 15th. There's no language translation issue about end of the year meaning October in Germany or late meaning the fall in Seattle.

Late 2010 obviously means December 2010, so obviously NZ can't put them into service until "early" 2011, being the first sample of a brand new type to their fleet (and in the world).

Now the real question is: what does "mid 2010" mean in relation to the 787-3. How late into the year can Boeing reasonably claim is "mid" and doesn't border on "fall" or worse?  Wink



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25 Post contains images NZ107 : With NZ possibly having AKL-HKG twice daily, I wouldn't think they would send 2 of them to the UK.. Unless both are switched for 787 or 772 or simila
26 Aerokiwi : I'm prety sure NZ served Seoul for a bit there too. So add that to the scrapheap if I'm correct.
27 Cchan : Yes they did, the route was cut in the late 90s after the Asian economic crisis. They used to serve Bangkok via Sydney as well.
28 Koruman : Building on TG992's point about whether Auckland-Shanghai is going to be extended to Manchester or Frankfurt..... There are benefits and drawbacks to
29 Danny : EIS means "Entry in service" and will be in 2011 (assuming no delays). All 2010 talk is pure PR hoax.
30 IAHFLYER : Since Air New Zealand does not serve NYC, would this be a good time to begin to serve it when the new A/C come in, with a stop in say, IAH??
31 MotorHussy : And NZ flights to KIX, FUK, NGO and TPE were commenced during his tenure as CEO? Well the successful HKG-LHR leg was. BTW, my money's on AKL-PVG-MAN
32 Stitch : I would think IAH would be unlikely since it would be pure O&D since UA doesn't hub there and NZ is in Star. Not sure what NZ's cabotage/Fifth Freedo
33 Jfk777 : Air New Zealand took 50 orders and options for 787 in 2004 when they first ordered the 777 & 787, so they locked in recession prices and will make goo
34 SunriseValley : About 1-hour longer than to SFO. Southbound the still air distance is about 7600nm assuming -35k winds. It should be good for a payload of about 7000
35 Kiwiandrew : IIRC the NZ metal FRA service was via LAX not SIN
36 SunriseValley : And via DFW for a period, I believe.
37 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : are you sure ? I seem to recall AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once a week about 18 or 19 years ago , and I do recall a 'triangular" (AKL -) LAX-LGW-FRA-LAX or vv ,
38 Flyjetstar : NZ1 on another current post noted that AKL-PVG is doing well. I suspect he is better placed to have an idea of that than others on here.
39 SunriseValley : It is difficult to imagine very much of a yield on a AKL-DEN and vv segment.
40 Stitch : That I do not know. I do not know how many passengers fly UA from DEN to LAX and SFO and then connect to NZ to fly to AKL. Also, I don't know what th
41 TG992 : Who ever said this was going double daily? Hmm I was worried at first but as I said earlier all he is doing is re developing our Asian network. Takin
42 Airbazar : And in another 5-6 years they wouldn't have that much trouble find a new life somewhere else. Isn't EZE out of the reach for a twin due to ETOPS rest
43 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : currently yes - but if you have a look at the following thread RE: Etops 330 Close To Approval? (by OldAeroGuy Dec 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)6/ you w
44 David_itl : What kind of frequency is anticipated for any AKL-PVG-MAN service? I'd be comfortable with a 3 weekly service as a daily flight would be overkill.
45 Nirvarma : Excellent news!!! Does anyone (PanAm_DC10 perhaps) know whether these orders were previously listed on Boeing's orders page? Cheers NV
46 2wingtips : They are new orders and not previously listed UFOs.
47 2wingtips : Searching under user defined reports on Boeing's orders page reveals the only 787-9 UFO order is for 1 unit. All other 787 UFOs are for the 787-8.
48 Post contains images Zkpilot : AKL-NAN-YVR would be more likely with 772ER due to range issues...(so long as the coup in Fiji doesn't become any worse!). Range planners at NZ have
49 NZ107 : Thanks to cargo ops it continued. Without the daily cargo, AKL-HKG would have been history. I recall one flight of a family friend and on which there
50 Zkpilot : That is not a common load at all. It does happen on various routes occasionally (I've seen a LAX bound 744 with 50 pax onboard once). Generally the H
51 Flyjetstar : There wouldn't be a double standard creeping in here would there? We are OK with EK running Trans-Tasman with poor loads and great cargo but we then
52 WorkFlyer : Come on Flyjetsar, even I as a newby know that anything EK does is shear comercial brilliance whilst Rob Fyfe and the team need only to sneeze before
53 Zkpilot : NZ is flying between its own country New Zealand and another country Hong Kong. EK is doing no such thing... It is flying between one country and ano
54 Flyjetstar : I think you miss my point ZKpilot. I have no issues with EK. I was just drawing the comparison between EK and NZ flying planes with few passengers but
55 Threepoint : That doesn't make sense. 35 knot winds is hardly still air. And regardless of the strength or lack of wind, the distance between two points will rema
56 Baron95 : Ignoring the 787-3, what is the order breakdown between the 787-8 and the 787-9? And what is it in later orders? Anyone know? I expect the 787-9 to ev
57 Aerokiwi : Odd because when I worked in the tourism industry at least half of the Americans we got were from mid-Western states. Of course, they have to transit
58 Zkpilot : As mentioned earlier, the NZ flights were NOT usually empty..that was a rare occasion. The freight did help...getting New Zealand products to HKG and
59 SunriseValley : Firstly there is a typo, the distance should read 6600nm. Sorry ! The Great circle distance YVR-AKL is about 6120nm and assuming -35k winds the air s
60 Post contains links Antskip : Quoting Threepoint (Reply 55): regardless of the strength or lack of wind, the distance between two points will remain the same but aircraft travel is
61 Post contains images Zkpilot : NZ, QF, oh and never mind DJ, LA, AR...
62 Post contains images Lightsaber : I'm very curious to see who comes out ahead. The thing here is you cannot predict the winner off the initial orders due to the ease of swapping engin
63 777FlyGuy : You are correct sir. AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW, once a week. I recall the inagural flight, I drove out to DFW just to see the NZ (then TE) 742 parked at 2W. It
64 Aerokiwi : So is the market from New Zealand to SIN and Seoul, but that doesn't stop airlines from coming to NZ to feed their European/Asian ops. I did notice,
65 Antskip : On NZ/QF-provided figures, EK has half of the non-NZ/QF (and their subsidiaries) Tasman market, @ 13.1% of the total market; the remainder being occu
66 V2fix : Actually it was the former and not the latter point you raise that stopped the second daily double to LHR going via SFO. This WAS the first choice fo
67 777ER : Possible new North American route is AKL-ORD with B789s Add TG992 to that also New order
68 Koruman : V2fix, I don't blame Fyfe for everything you know! Your explanation of why AKL-HKG-LHR was preferred to AKL-SFO-MAN is certainly accurate. BTW, I see
69 Post contains images Zkpilot : Well thats up to EK to schedule their flights better then isn't it? regarding sitting on the ground in Australia... Once again you miss the point Aer
70 Aerokiwi : No, I don't. Capacity dumping is when a dominant carrier on a route tries to limit/scare off competition by adding so much capcity that fares plummet
71 Mr AirNZ : Not quite up to speed on this I'm going to assume. Equiv Still Air Distance = (Distance / Groundspeed) x TAS Lets say a plane has a range of 5000nm.
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