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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3796 times:

The article from "HaAretz" website :

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/802983.html

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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3762 times:

Since when is TLV Ben Gurion a European airport ????
Israel does belong geographically to Asia ....
IST is the "last" European airport on Turkish-European side .
Regardless of that,the ranking indicates a good performance of TLV and hopefullt the religious/orthodox constraints for ElAl will be lifted one day...



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
Since when is TLV Ben Gurion a European airport ????

No, it's not. However, Israeli football, basketball etc. teams play in European leagues - not in Asians. Israel also participates in the Euro-Vision contest even though it's not located geographically in Europe.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
hopefullt the religious/orthodox constraints for ElAl will be lifted one day...

Hopefully, but not likely. Ultra-orthodox passengers make up almost one third of El-Al's passengers. Ignoring their needs would cause even more difficulties to the already troubled airline.

Here's a link about the issue :

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...rtVty.jhtml?sw=el+al&itemNo=799497


User currently offlineLy7e7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Also TLV was picked as the best airport in its size category

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 2):
Ultra-orthodox passengers make up almost one third of El-Al's passengers.

More like one fifth. Personally - I hope that the ultras will ban LY, thus practically forcing them to fly on Saturdays. In that case the they will cover about 70% of the loss only by extra flights on Saturdays. Another 30% of the loss will have to be covered via route expansion, cutting unprofitable routes like CAI and wiser management.



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting Ly7e7 (Reply 3):
More like one fifth

Yepp, my mistake, it's about 20 %.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

FWIW nearly every travel magazine, travel show, newspaper etc. trows these kind of titles around. With often different results. As far as the survey went for this title, only 350 passengers were surveyed in each of the participating airports. Not very representative.

One more thing. With 3.9 points BRU comes in first in the European Airport region 'competition'.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 2):
No, it's not. However, Israeli football, basketball etc. teams play in European leagues - not in Asians. Israel also participates in the Euro-Vision contest even though it's not located geographically in Europe.

that still doesn't change the fact that Israel is located on the Asian continent..Australian's participate in the Asian League football, ASEAN and many more but we are NOT part of Asia geographically. So, unless you've got plans to pick up TLV and move it to a more european location the result is meaningless.

you should be comparing yourselves with Dubai, Changi, Hong Kong & the new Bangkok airport, not a continent your not part of.



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 6):
you should be comparing yourselves with Dubai, Changi, Hong Kong & the new Bangkok airport, not a continent your not part of.

Tell that to ACI (Airports Council International) - not to me.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 6):
the result is meaningless.

The result is not meaningless just because you don't like it.

Quoting Manni (Reply 5):
Not very representative.

The best airports in the world, according to the survey, were all concentrated in Southeast Asia: Hong Kong, Inchon, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. The survey is conducted among 77 airports all around the world quarterly.

So that's not representative neither ?


User currently offlineJelle From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

I am puzzled here. I have used TLV many times and if you look at the effects of sucurity (although absolutely neccesary), the shopping facilites, lounges etc. and the absurd early departures to Europe, how can TLV be ranked first?

User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting Jelle (Reply 8):
effects of sucurity

Flying from European airports these days isn't easier.



Quoting Jelle (Reply 8):
I have used TLV many times

You used th old (2) or the new (3) terminal ?


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
Since when is TLV Ben Gurion a European airport ???? Israel does belong geographically to Asia ....

I agree.  Smile

Anyway, if it s voted as the best airport in the world, i state TLV has the RUDEST immigration staff in the world!!!!! these guys over there are mean, impolite,ironic,sascastic....
Thus,I dont recommend Israel as a tourist destination. For example, With their attitude my whole holiday was ruined!!! With such a negative first impression upon arrival and with such a bad last impression upon departure....my memories from Israel are very very bitter.
I prefer to visit countries where its people (including immigration staff) make u feel welcome from the very beginning of your entry there.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 7):
The result is not meaningless just because you don't like it.

it is meaningless...fact whether you like it or not, Israel is NOT part of Europe so it can't be compared to airports like Munich, Copenhagen & the new Athens airport.

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 7):
Tell that to ACI (Airports Council International) - not to me.

give them a map of the world...



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 11):
fact whether you like it or not, Israel is NOT part of Europe

Did I say it was ?

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 11):
it can't be compared to airports like Munich, Copenhagen & the new Athens airport.

Why not ? A European airport only can be compared to a European one ? An Asian to an Asian one ? Now that's meaningless. BTW, have you seen it ?


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

As far as the Eurovision was concerned, I always thought that Turkey was streatching things let alone Israel.

But that is another story.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 12):
Why not ?

Because this was the election for best EUROPEAN airport. Not the election for best Asian airport pretending to be European.  Wink



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 14):
Because this was the election for best EUROPEAN airport.

Ben-Gurion International Airport was ranked first among 40 European airports, and fifth out of 77 around the world, in a survey of the Airports Council International (ACI).

Now, there are two options : you didn't read the article and/or you don't understand english well. As far as I'm concerned, this was a worldwide survey. I don't see anything saying "election for best EUROPEAN airport."

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 14):
Not the election for best Asian airport pretending to be European.

You just prove my point.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

When I started in this business, Israel belonged to TC 2 "IATA Europe", I think after the OSL agreement it changed to the Middle East sub area. Cyprus is geographically in Asia but member of the EU. Certain parts of BEY could be called European and certainly Israel is a mix of Europe in the Middle East.

That aside, the airport is indeed one of the more pleasant facilities of its kind. Especially when you compare it to the old building. Immigration is quick, the security on departure much better and quicker than vv. The new buildings are spacious and the road to the terminal could double as a very interesting F1 circuit.

May be not #1 by everybody's standards but certainly high up in the ranking.

Almost forgot - and it's heaven for 707 lovers.....I always take a window seat going to and from TLV.



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 11):
Israel is NOT part of Europe so it can't be compared to airports like Munich, Copenhagen & the new Athens airport.

Surely Israel is an Asian country. But according to your views an Israeli football team playing in UEFA cup cannot be compared to its rivals in the competition. That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Nobody is tying to change the geography of the world - it's geopolitics we encounter in issues like this.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 7):
The best airports in the world, according to the survey, were all concentrated in Southeast Asia: Hong Kong, Inchon, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. The survey is conducted among 77 airports all around the world quarterly.

So that's not representative neither ?

Not when only 350 people have been asked to fill out the survey.

77 airports with 350 surveys each, results in less than 30000 people being asked their opinion.

Here's the airport ranking according to Skytrax.

http://www.worldairportawards.com/Awards-2006/ResultsFull.htm

1 Singapore Changi Airport
2 Hong Kong Int'l Airport
3 Munich Airport
4 Kansai International Airport
5 Seoul Incheon Airport
6 KLIA - Kuala Lumpur Airport
7 Helsinki Vantaa Airport
8 Zurich Airport
9 Dubai International Airport
10 Copenhagen Airport

Of the 10 best airports, according to Skytrax, 6 are in Asia and 4 are in Europe. TLV is not one of them.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 2):
No, it's not. However, Israeli football, basketball etc. teams play in European leagues - not in Asians.

I don't understand that either. They should play within Asia.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Anyway, if it s voted as the best airport in the world, i state TLV has the RUDEST immigration staff in the world!!!!! these guys over there are mean, impolite,ironic,sascastic.... They spoiled my holiday....


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting CY319 (Reply 10):
Thus,I dont recommend Israel as a tourist destination.

Of course not. When you are a tourist and travel to a country which is in war then you are crazy. I would never ever go there for vacation.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 21):
When you are a tourist and travel to a country which is in war then you are crazy

Well...TLV is a safe place to be. Life runs very normal there even in case of a confict. My concern isnt about security as i felt safe there. My big disappointment came from immigration staff's rude attitude upon arrival and departure. They really spoiled my time.



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Quoting Jelle (Reply 8):
...and the absurd early departures to Europe...

Absurd? I agree it is not comfortable to depart at 05:30 (it means to be awake all night long) but this is a demand made by the foreign airlines. They want to bring their passengers from TLV to their connection flights on time (this is their biggest business, not the flights to Europe). They even want to open TLV for departure at 05:00 and not 05:30.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
and the road to the terminal could double as a very interesting F1 circuit.

This is really the biggest scandal of the project. Even in here the religious guys intervened and the result is about unnecessary 7km of drive on each direction with not less than 3 U turns (when you come from Tel Aviv).



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting Avi (Reply 23):

This is really the biggest scandal of the project. Even in here the religious guys intervened and the result is about unnecessary 7km of drive on each direction with not less than 3 U turns (when you come from Tel Aviv)

what does that have to do with religion? I thought it is - understandably - for securitry reasons, just in case someone makes it through the first checkpoint. But I agree, it adds to the mileage considerably.

Quoting CY319 (Reply 20):
rt in the world, i state TLV has the RUDEST immigration staff in the world!!!!! these guys over there are mean, impolite,ironic,sascastic

what did you tell them to get that reaction? The young lady was very nice and polite, did not even ask any questions. Israel is good to do business and also a great tourist destination.



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25 Post contains images CY319 : LOL! In fact I m a very polite & calm person and my attitude to them was very very good and easy-going.
26 MetsFan1 : CY319 I think we get your point about them having the RUDEST immigration. No need to keep repeating it every post.
27 Avi : Originally a new interchange was planed on the Tel Aviv - Jerusalem highway near the new terminal. Then came religious politicians and lobbyists and
28 Post contains links Petertenthije : Firstly, I read the article. Secondly, I am fully proficient in English thank you very much. Please refer to the header of the artice: And the first
29 Semsem : Manni Skytrax is certainly no criteria. The Airport Council is what counts. CY319 why would a whole vacation be ruined because of an interview with "o
30 7474ever : Thanks for remiding me where Israel is. Without you I wouldn't noticed.
31 Manni : I disagree. The opinion of the flying public is what's important. Skytrax interviews far more than 30000 people.
32 Semsem : Manni. 99.999999999% of contributors to Skytrax have never been to Israel. It's completely irrelevant and skewed; Statistics 101. The opinions of Skyt
33 PanHAM : OK, now I understand it, thanks for the explanation.
34 LY7E7 : BTW, according to Skytrax TLV is the second best airport in the Middle East.
35 RJpieces : The United States is in two wars right now. Do you travel here? Your loss.
36 7474ever : Don't you consider people departing a certain airport as "flying public" ? Yes, according to their website millions, but - correct me if I'm wrong -
37 Post contains links and images BA : No, that would be BEY: http://www.worldairportawards.com/Awards-2006/ResultsFull.htm View Large View MediumPhoto © Vatche Mitilian
38 RJpieces : Don't they not have runways anymore?
39 Post contains images BA : Funny... FYI for you, all runways were repaired and are back in full operation. No matter how hard Israel tries, they will never be able to destroy L
40 BWI757 : Can we PLEASE keep the conversation on track here and not start with the mudslinging? Start a thread in non-av if you need to keep it up. Now then, ha
41 Semsem : The Beirut Airport was never destroyed. The new $500MM Terminal was kept intact. Only the runways were destroyed to stop traffic from Iran. The runway
42 LY7E7 : Not according to Skytrax - which seams to be the leading poll in this forum. BEY is ranked third in Skytrax. The bottom line here is that every ranki
43 Post contains images SOBHI51 : Never heard of ACI
44 Post contains links and images BA : You're right, the airport wasn't destroyed. It was crippled. An airport doesn't need a terminal to operate, but it does need runways and fuel which i
45 LY7E7 :
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