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Fog In LHR... Major Delays?  
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8806 times:
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Hey guys,

I have a flight to LHR today... I was planned to arrive at 18:55, now crewscheduling called me and told me that I am planned at 18:25 in LHR now...

Still so foggy as I can see...

EGLL 201050Z 28004KT 0250 R27L/0400 R27R/0400 FZFG VV/// M00/M00 Q1041 NOSIG <---  boggled 


And I guess major delays and loads of cancellations?

WILCO737


[Edited 2006-12-20 11:57:07]


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User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

I flew out to CDG from MAN on Monday morning and was delayed 90 minutes on the plane due to fog.

I then flew back to MAN yesterday and was delayed another 90 minutes due to fog! Every flight arriving at MAN was delayed over an hour.

So I guess as long as there's still fog over lhr (there seemed to be all over southern england yesterday) you'll be seeing delays. I guess this is due to increased safety margins that need to be in place. Landing at MAN yesterday was exhilarating to say the least - the first glimpse we had of ground was seconds away from landing. You couldn't clearly see beyond the runway!


User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Quoting WILCO737 (Thread starter):
I have a flight to LHR today... I was planned to arrive at 18:55, now crewscheduling called me and told me that I am planned at 18:25 in LHR now...

Earlier?  Smile

Fog last night was causing us ground holds ITR of 60 minutes. There are currently approximately 30 minute departure delays. Arriving aircraft are also holding around 15-25 minutes, with further delays on the ground waiting for available stands.

Lots of de-icing delays also. Fog not due to lift much all day.

Regards



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8767 times:
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Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 2):
Arriving aircraft are also holding around 15-25 minutes

Isnt that the normal amount of holding inbound to LHR Big grin

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 2):
There are currently approximately 30 minute departure delays.

Longest I had to wait in LHR was 60 minutes.... but no fog or snow or so...
So its basically normal ops in LHR  Wink

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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8708 times:

Seems to be the usual situation at LHR - long haul flights more or less on time and connecting flights heavily delayed or cancelled. I suppose if you're flying long haul, as long as you come from London you'll be fine.

We've had no diversions at all here at MAN today so it can't be that bad.


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8687 times:

so its just a normal LHR day then!!!


dave


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8655 times:
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Quoting Candid76 (Reply 4):
I suppose if you're flying long haul, as long as you come from London you'll be fine.

Well, I come from HAM, but I wont miss my connecting flight back to HAM, because I am the one flying the aircraft Big grin

I just wanted to know if I can expect an on schedule landing in HAM or if I will be later in the hotel than expected Big grin

Thanks for the info!
I can let you know how it actually worked out tonight around 11pm, then I am back in the hotel and can write a report  Wink

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User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):

How Long are you staying at LHR?


dave


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8626 times:
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Quoting Express1 (Reply 7):
How Long are you staying at LHR?

Well, roughly 50 minutes... Turnaround time for our flight back to HAM

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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8629 times:

SOU suffered badly yesterday, and more so Flybe.

FR reporting on it's website flight cancellations yesterday and today (knock on) from "adverse" weather.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 8594 times:

From what I can see, most Flybes to/from Birmingham have been cancelled. I am supposed to be flying through there on Saturday and frankly, at this stage, I am thinking I should make alternative plans. I am flying from JER to BHX and then on to DUB, but I will have to try and fly through London. This being Christmas weekend, I just don't want to end up being stuck here.

User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 8496 times:

All BA domestic flights to/from LHR are now cancelled.

User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 8441 times:

My mum was four hours late yesterday on LH Heathrow-Frankfurt. Three hours delay due to the fog then another hour of offloading bags because they left people behind. They got as far as the runway before realising that one of the people was missing.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 8422 times:

Aer Lingus flight EI711/BA5711 was expected to depart to ORK at 9.50 still no word that it has arrived or even taken off. The same can be said for other EI flights out of LHR.

User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 11):
All BA domestic flights to/from LHR are now cancelled.

Due to fog across the southern part of the United Kingdom,all remaining [BA] Domestic flights into and out of London Heathrow have been cancelled today, Wednesday 20 December 2006.

All customers travelling today are advised to check the status of their flight before they leave for the airport.

https://ukprepin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ukprepin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2447

[Edited 2006-12-20 14:16:12]

User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
I am supposed to be flying through there on Saturday and frankly, at this stage, I am thinking I should make alternative plans.

A quick check on the BBC five day weather forecast shows that this weather is likely to go through to weekend, so it may be worthwhile looking at alternatives.


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6197007.stm


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Most of the UK was bad yesterday - generally it has improved today, though most airports are still suffering reduced visibility.


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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

I am listening to AMS ATC and about 20 minutes ago a BMI A319 got informed that all LHR flights have a 5 hour delay! He said they would hold the boarding.

5 Hours, man thats gotta hurt.

Have a nice trip though Phil  Smile

Phil
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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

160 out of 400 BA short haul flights cancelled. One of our clients just called from LHR saying he's going home because the place is a total zoo and will try again tomorrow. The BBC website suggests 48 hrs more of fog over SE England, then clear and rtn on Xmas day.


Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

All BA's European flights have been cancelled up until 1930 this evening. A select few are due to depart after this. Longhaul flights operating as normal and all domestics cancelled up until lunch time tomorrow

Quoting Willo (Reply 15):
A quick check on the BBC five day weather forecast shows that this weather is likely to go through to weekend

Your not wrong, we have been advised that this is to continue for the next couple of days and fog may affect airport Ops until the weekend.

Lee



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

Well i was at LHR today, and it was pretty bad. I stood next to Hatton Cross and couldn't even see the aircraft landing on 27L. From the BA maintenance centre, aircraft queueing for departure on 27R weren't visible. They were operating mixed mode all the time i was there, i guess so that aircraft queueing for departure could be spaced out.

I had a look around all the terminals - At 15:20, T1's international arrivals board across 3 TVs only got up to 14:40. T2's arrivals/departures area was crammed with passengers with delays/cancellations. The check in area was only accessible to those checking in, and you had to wait for an announcement that your flight was open for check in before you were allowed to enter. T3's check in area was again only open to travellers, and the arrivals area was packed.

All good fun  Wink


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7780 times:

Sky news & BBC news are reporting all BA domestic flights tomorrow from LHR are also cancelled now.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13558041,00.html

JC

(edit to insert URL)

[Edited 2006-12-20 20:26:17]


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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6197007.stm

In addition to domestic flights

"The firm said a significant number of European flights, including routes to Paris and Brussels served by the Eurostar, will also be grounded."

Another bad day for BA and their travellers.



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
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well, my flight got canceled as well... HAM-LHR-HAM

now I am in the hotel in HAM and did nothing today, except flying dead head to HAM... And it was so enjoyable that one of the F/As throw some TOMATOEjuice all over my white shirt  Sad

Oh what a day...

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25 Post contains images BAW076 : Phil, just out of interest, were u supposed to be piloting the LH4794? Chris
26 Post contains images WILCO737 : Yeah, I was rostered for the LH4794 and LH4795... but then they changed it to LH4792 and LH4795 due to some operational reasons... but before I reach
27 Post contains images BAW076 : That's a shame, I would have waved as you went overhead before lining up for 27R!    Chris    EDIT: Actually I wouldn't have waved... a) Because
28 Post contains images WILCO737 : yeah, what a pity... would've been cool to fly a CAT III approach into LHR... but NO... Then you can wave at me the next time... WILCO737
29 Kazzie : Ha! Im due to Check in an Aer Arran in the morning LTN-WAT, looking at conditions now I doubt ill get as far as opening check-in!
30 Bennett123 : Are particular aircraft types affected.
31 Post contains images Leezyjet : Fog affects every a/c type. The flow rates are reduced from around 45/hr to around 27/hr to increase approach spacing due to extended runway times in
32 Post contains images Cumulus : A big fan?
33 Post contains images BCAL : I was reflecting that it must have at least 40 years ago that a BEA Trident 1E made the first auto land in Cat III conditions at LHR, and 25-30 years
34 Bennett123 : I understood from the news last night that some aircraft could fly with 150M visability and others could not.
35 Express1 : well the weather this morning is reporting that fog is here to stay lat least until the weekend,there is a high pressure over cardiff that's producing
36 Candid76 : Aircraft may be capable of a CatIIIa landing but the crew also need to be certified. It isn't as simple as looking at the aircraft type. I'm at Manche
37 LGWspeedbird : BA Gatwick has been crazy for the last couple of days although we have faired a bit better than LHR. On Tuesday night I was meeting the PLH/NQY flight
38 Pilot21 : Am in the VS Club in T3 right now. The weather outside is awful! I came in on an EI flight from DUB, almost 2hrs delayed taking off due to slot restri
39 Wrighbrothers : Latest news is that all BA domestic flights have been canceled for tomorow, 3rd day in a row. And they also need to be able to see where they are goin
40 Danny : Can someone explain why is BA doing so badly? So hated Ryanair has not canceled any flight out of London (so far).[Edited 2006-12-21 15:59:07]
41 Post contains links LHRjc : Yep, according to sky news http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13558169,00.html "All domestic British Airways flights from Heathrow will be
42 Post contains images 9VSIO : Does anyone know how Virgin are doing? I'm due to fly home on VS12 in a few days... On the plus side, we get to see how smooth an autoland is
43 Wrighbrothers : 1) LHR is BA's main base, and since LHR is so badly affected, that means BA is too. 2) FR don't fly out of LHR and Stansted isn't as effected as LHR.
44 Danny : EGLL 211450Z VRB03KT 0350 R09L/0500 R09R/0600 FG VV/// 01/00 Q1043 BECMG 0800 EGSS 211450Z 32004KT 290V350 0300 R05/0350 R23/0325 FG VV/// 01/01 Q104
45 Post contains images LHRjc : Departures 21/12/2006 13:00 VS900 TOKYO AIRBORNE 1423 21/12/2006 14:00 VS045 NEW YORK TAXIED 1455 21/12/2006 14:30 VS250 SHANGHAI LAST CALL 21/12/200
46 Post contains images AirbusA346 : I am meant to be going on holiday on the 27th from MAN, is it as foggy in MAN as LHR.    Tom.[Edited 2006-12-21 16:44:51]
47 Post contains images LGW : Back from a hectic Morning at LGW. Mainly our domestic flights which took the brunt of the problems today, some delays on European services and US/Car
48 Kazzie : Weren't to bad this morning! Although.... Flight No. tAirport tSTD tETD tFlight Status RE506 tGalway t09:30 t17:45 tEstimated 17:45 AEU751 tOvda t09:3
49 LGW : Is the AEU flight to Ovda from LTN op on a 752? The AEU 757 ops from LGW are up the pole today with diversions this morning causing havoc.
50 Kazzie : Yes...I think its supposed to be on G-OOOB
51 LGWspeedbird : Did they put the t7 on any other doms flights as they have done that before to clear pax, not so long ago we had a 767 operate a man flight cos they
52 Oranabana : Can anyone working for Lufthansa comment of the likelyness of flying out on time to Frankfurt on LH4745? Would be really unhappy to find that I get re
53 Kazzie : I would advise you to contact your airline...
54 LGW : When I left work no other T7's were down as operating any domestics but I notice they are operating a couple more domestics this afternoon/evening th
55 Kazzie : Typical Luton Airport... Although here is Flight info from Aer Arran: +RE508 (LTN-GWY) from Dec 20, RE544 (LTN-WAT) Dec 21, RE506 LTN-GWY from Dec 21
56 Post contains images PlaneMad : Seems to be bad on short haul flights. VS flights seem to be ok. I was delayed only 1 hour yesterday 20th december on VS 9 to JFK Sam D
57 Post contains links Wdleiser : British Airways has cancelled all domestic flights http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061221/wl_uk_afp/britaintransport
58 Oranabana : easier said than done, today all the BAA websites were down, Ba itself cannot be contacted and I just spent 45 min on hold trying to speak to someone
59 BestWestern : Live Flight Information - last updated Thu Dec 21 19:18:19 2006 This is a temporary page providing live flight information. We therefore advise you to
60 Post contains images BA0284 : Did i just hear on the BBC news that the reporter said "BA sent a 450 seater aircraft on a LGW-EDI route"?!!. Now i looked on an acars report and G-VI
61 Post contains images Planesarecool : ITV wasn't much better. Apparently LHR is the world's biggest airport.
62 Raffik : I heard this also.. I thought all BA domestic ops were cancelled?
63 Feroze : All domestic ops into and out of LHR are cancelled....not LGW.
64 Jimyvr : Few 777 on domestic run on 21st.... BA2966 LGW-GLA BA2956 LGW-EDI BA2941 EDI-LGW BA2967 GLA-LGW, supposed to leave 2030LT 21DEC, now departs 0130LT 22
65 ZRHnerd : Looks like even LCY was affected, as all flights from/to ZRH were some two hours late, and a few cancelled.
66 Post contains images Trekster : A 777 has been used today on a domestic route, and FRA spotters keep watch, a 747 is being used tomorrow on a run there and back.
67 Duncank : Does anyone know of where aircraft are diverting to from LHR, LCY, LTN etc? I'm particularly interested in knowing if regional airports such as Southe
68 StarGoldLHR : I flew in from Hong Kong on NZ39 on Wednesday. The Pilot announced that LHR may be closed and we may land in CPH and wait. Later as we crossed the cha
69 SailorOrion : I'm wondering why things are going THAT badly in LHR. Is it a problem with taxiway layout? I can see that capacity in CATIII is suboptimal, but droppi
70 Sketty222 : BA are puting on some bigger aircraft today to some destinations in Europe BA460 to MAD is a 747 due to arrive local time 2030 BA736 to GVA is a 777 d
71 Candid76 : It's interesting that BA have chosen to cancel so many flights seemingly off their own back. bmi have continued to operate many of their domestic flig
72 AdamTStarFlyer : I flew from MAN on tues and the fog was crazy! I was on the US flight to PHL. We were supposed to board at 10.15, but the plane wasnt on stand til aro
73 SapphireLHR : Surely its obvious that to half ATC movements will therefore create a 50% cut in flights (arrivals and departures), 50% of BA flights is signifcantly
74 Post contains images Leezyjet : I'm guessing that MUC uses mixed mode whereas LHR does not. Also there are substantial works in progress going on around LHR to prepare the airport f
75 SailorOrion : Correct MUC uses mixed mode, I kind of hope LHR does the same in adverse weather. The explanation with the taxiways makes sense. SailorOrion
76 LouA340 : I just transited through Heathrow yesterday and I must say it was quite a mess. Couldnt see past the wing tip when landing. To make it worse my luggag
77 LHRjc : Sky News TV are reporting that BA will resume domestic flights tomorrow and 95% of passengers, so hopefully things will start getting back to normal.
78 Sketty222 : More good news for those spotters in MAD, GVA, CPH and FRA BA are to continue using their 747 and 777 aircraft on these routes over the weekend Lee
79 LHRjc : Is this at the expense of other scheduled services or are these aircraft just being utilised more than they usually would be over the weekend ? JC
80 Sketty222 : They are only utilising x1 747 and x1 777. The 747 is operating the FRA and MAD and the 777 is operating the GVA and CPH I dont know if these are spa
81 Planesarecool : BA have plenty of spare aircraft to operate short haul flights while they would normally be on the ground at LHR.
82 Theginge : The cancelation of the Denver flight would not have freed up a 777 as one was stuck for a day or so in ORD waiting for Denver to re open. BA don't hav
83 Theginge : Main thing is Heathrow needs more tarmac!!!
84 Planesarecool : For 20 hour rotations, no there is not a lot of capacity. However, on Thursday there were 17 long haul aircraft that were in LHR for over 8 hours, bu
85 Post contains images Leezyjet : 40 minutes out of 10 hours is hardly much. Most airlines at LHR have to drag their a/c off stand for much less time than 10 hours. In T3 usually anyt
86 Planesarecool : Yes, and these aircraft were towed off stand, but only onto the nearby 601-609 stands, or any 429-432/451-456 stands which weren't in use. Remember t
87 Theginge : One of the main things preventing long haul aircraft doing anything in the 8 hour gap would have been the flow restrcitions. It would have got at leas
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