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UA Ending ORD-KIX Jan 19th?  
User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Did a search and couldn't find anything. I heard that UA in discontinuing ORD-KIX (currently 3-weekly). Apparently, the last day of operation will be Jan 19th and all pax booked after will be accomodated via the daily UA SFO-KIX. Didn't AA just drop this route last year?

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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

I was wondering where they'd come up with a 777 for the upcoming IAD to Rome service. Though, aren't the UA Pacific 777s different than its Atlantic 777s? So maybe they'll add frequencies to other Pacific routes if ORD-KIX is discontinued. Or....is UA anticipating victory on its IAD-Beijing proposal?  Wow!

User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

01JUL SUN ORD/CDT KIX/‡14
1UA 877 F9 C9 D9 Y9 B9*ORDKIX 1223P 400P‡1 777 L 0 DCA /E
M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 K9 L9


In Sabre it still shows that UA has a flt on 01 July ORD-KIX

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Quoting AMS (Reply 2):
In Sabre it still shows that UA has a flt on 01 July ORD-KIX

So, just got so more info from a travel agent. UA sent them a notice the flight is officially canceled as after Jan 19th. The booking systems are to be updated tomorrow. BTW, the email to the travel agent didn't say anything about it being confidential, so not sure why there is no press release yet.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

This is sad... I love UA's asian network from ORD.

User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
So, just got so more info from a travel agent. UA sent them a notice the flight is officially canceled as after Jan 19th. The booking systems are to be updated tomorrow. BTW, the email to the travel agent didn't say anything about it being confidential, so not sure why there is no press release yet.

Airlines rarely have press releases when they discontinue service.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
Though, aren't the UA Pacific 777s different than its Atlantic 777s?

The 777XPs and XIs are mostly interchangeable but they prefer to use the XP on longer Pacific flight so they do not have to use up seats for crew rest because the XPs have overhead rest space. Both models have been reported being used over both the Atlantic and Pacific.

Japan's economy is still stumbling I guess. Not having a daily flight probably hurts as well.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 6):
the XPs have overhead rest space.

It's actually a lower-lobe crew rest. It's accessible by a door where the lavs are between coach sections (one lav was removed).


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

http://www.unitedairlines.co.jp/jsp/ja/travel/timetable_jan_usa.jsp

United's Japanese website already showing the flight discontinues eff 19JAN07.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 6):
Japan's economy is still stumbling I guess

KIX's high airport charges hurt too, I'm sure!



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

That is too bad, I was on that route a year ago  Sad

User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Thread starter):
Didn't AA just drop this route last year?

AA dropped ORD-NGO last year.....


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Thread starter):
Didn't AA just drop this route last year?

AA dropped DFW-KIX this year.



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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

So AA and UA both dropped KIX twice from from their biggest hubs in the recent years. I can't understand why they keep trying. It has been proven over and over again that it does not work.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

There are so many large airports relatively close to each other in that part of Japan....NGO, KIX and soon Kobe. Big spending politicians went on an airport building binge. The traffic obviously can't support so many international flights. UA is smart to focus on its dailies to KIX and NGO from it's primary Asian hub at SFO along with its many flights to NRT from LAX, ORD, SFO and IAD.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
AA dropped DFW-KIX this year.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9):
KIX's high airport charges hurt too, I'm sure!

I think KIX is just not a very high yield market in general, and tough to make work transpac exluding Hawaii.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Sad to hear but the Kansai region is just a mess. Kobe (already open and operating but has restrictions) and ITM take all the domestic connections leaving KIX to compete for local traffic and connecting traffic.

This flight was 3x weekly and didn't go anywhere else. That is a problem.

SFO-NGO would probably not be as loaded if it didn't go onto TPE. That is local, transfer and through traffic. Not to mention NGO has lots of large corporations that would prefer to fly locally than go up to NRT and fly out.

KIX has lost tons of service yet they are building a second runway to meet "capacity". Not sure what they are smoking down there but they should stop. Took long enough for them to get into the black and now they are back in the red.

NGO on the other hand has been open a year and a half and has gained service from UA, EK (Went from 772ER to A345), AY (which will be increasing and changing to an A343), VN and Eva. We also have the new FedEx Japan Sorting center on the island which is growing big time. Cargo has been growing big time.

UA probably is pulling this route so they can do IAD-PEK or they will be looking at increasing/adding other routes. (Actually ORD-NGO was rumored...that would hurt NW big time, as they have some contracts from Nissan, Toyota and a few other companies. Not to mention ORD is Boeing HQ, NGO is where major 777, 787 and 737 parts are made.)



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
Not to mention ORD is Boeing HQ, NGO is where major 777, 787 and 737 parts are made.)

Well, Boeing Commercial Airplanes is still headquartered in Seattle.

I would think a SEA-NGO route would be smart.

NS


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
that would hurt NW big time, as they have some contracts from Nissan, Toyota and a few other companies

UA has the Toyota contract. Maybe United should just consolidate its flights to the region at NGO.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 17):
I would think a SEA-NGO route would be smart.

Me too. Sure would be nice for me.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 18):
UA has the Toyota contract.

I thought that was a management contract only? NW had a contract for taking lower management to their US plants. Lots of Toyota people on those planes...a few in C but more in Y. They are traveling with their families. They get put in the US plants for three years and then brought back to Japan. Maybe I am thinking of something else.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 18):
Maybe United should just consolidate its flights to the region at NGO.

Not a bad idea. Plenty of Star partners there doing good business.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 19):
Not a bad idea. Plenty of Star partners there doing good business.

Maybe this is their long term plan once they can enlarge the fleet


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
NGO on the other hand has been open a year and a half and has gained service from Eva

EVA is downgrading the service to 4x weekly.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 21):
EVA is downgrading the service to 4x weekly.

DOH! Oh well bound to happen with EVA, China Airlines, UA, NH, CX and JL all doing flights to TPE. Cann't be that much of a demand.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

Is UA877/878 coming back this summer?
This route could become a seasonal thing.

This route might do better if some of Asian Star Alliance partners could re-time their connections better. Right now the in-bound flight has lost a few connections to like ICN & PVG, etc and now left with just Japanese domestic connection because the other carriers have adjusted their schedules to earlier time slots.


User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
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Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
was wondering where they'd come up with a 777 for the upcoming IAD to Rome service. Though, aren't the UA Pacific 777s different than its Atlantic 777s? So maybe they'll add frequencies to other Pacific routes if ORD-KIX is discontinued. Or....is UA anticipating victory on its IAD-Beijing proposal?

I would guess it was cxld to cover the B772 that is out of service in IAD. Not may spare B777's around. That aircraft is expected to be OTS till March at least.



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25 Halls120 : What happened to it?
26 Archer : I have a question. How do we find airport ID's? I have no idea what KIX is (other than a cereal). Thanks. Archer
27 LHUSA : Just hold the coursor over the three-letter airport code and the name and location should appear. Works about 95% of the time.
28 Getdonnie : I tried doing some research on pass threads and I did not come up with anything. And as we are discussing the Asian market would anyone please update
29 Laxintl : SFO-NGO becomes a stand alone flight in June. NGO-TPE is dropped once UA resumes SFO-TPE nonstop service on June 7th.
30 Jfk777 : United has huge amounts of service to Japan. UA has two Asia hubs, Narita and SFO. SFO should have service to NGO, TPE and KIX. Its too bad ORD-KIX is
31 UnitedNRT : The flight was deemed discontinued due to low performance results, yet positive nonetheless. The aircraft was deemed better suited for new stages that
32 RwSEA : Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know much about the Osaka area. How come US-based carriers can't seem to make it work? It seems that carriers usually
33 NWAatNGO : Sad to see this happen, but to me it looks like this is just another nail in KIX's coffin. While the airport does well on flights to/from Asia, the se
34 Aaron747 : UA has the Toyota contract. Maybe United should just consolidate its flights to the region at NGO. There's more than one Toyota contract. A company th
35 Post contains links Laxintl : Help yourself. Check online www.ual.com Last NGO-TPE-NGO is June 7/8. UA simply cannot support 3 daily TPE flights, while the NGO flight has built up
36 MAH4546 : Believe it. You can't book the flights after 9 June.
37 Spartanmjf : A water canon salute turned into a foam salute, doing some unspeakable things to the engine[s] - there was a thread on it last week.
38 Centrair : Really? Always seems like few people are getting off of it...maybe that is because I never wait around (parents always fly business). Never taken the
39 Laxintl : Only 1 plane.. ORD-KIX was only 3x per week. While the NGO-TPE tag drop does not effect anything as SFO-NGO still remains daily.
40 Aaron747 : Believe it. You can't book the flights after 9 June. What a dumb move. A few people I know who work for trading companies that specialize in the after
41 UnitedNRT : Much more important stage in terms of both cargo and passengers. Performance is sufficient on all TPE rotations, in and out.
42 Laxintl : NRT-TPE provides connectivity with UA's Tokyo mini-hub unlike NGO-TPE simply was a small tag flight aimed at providing TPE with a 2nd UA flight. Now
43 Centrair : This means UA is using only 5th freedoms via NRT now. When NW takes their 787s, will be interesting to see how everything shapes up at KIX and NGO.
44 Carpethead : KIX has lost a host of long-haul services since 1999 to the North American market even to a degree to Europe. Despite all the pessimism of long-haul r
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