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Rumour EK To Start GRU Via BCN + ADL Via MEL/PER  
User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Heard these rumours from a trustworthy source, NCL is pretty much confirmed and VCE confirmed although it would appear not to be selling to the public as yet. The indirect GRU would be a surprise as I would have thought EK would have gone for a direct GRU on the 777LR however a stop via BCN has been researched and appears favourable, 77W cattleship would be the likely choice.

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User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

And what is this about ADL via MEL or PER?

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
Rumour EK To Start GRU Via BCN + ADL Via MEL/PER

Your subject mentions it but there is nothing in the posting. More information please......

EK to ADL would be very interesting, but it would undoubtedly have to be 8th and 9th freedom (as mentioned would go via PER or MEL) as they are already maxed out at their limit of 49 flights per week into Australia from DXB. My best guess would that it would go via PER as are already 20 return flights per day each weekday between ADL and MEL.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
The indirect GRU would be a surprise as I would have thought EK would have gone for a direct GRU on the 777LR however a stop via BCN has been researched and appears favourable, 77W cattleship would be the likely choice.

I thought they would fly non-stop.... confused 

Wouldn´t it make more sense via Africa???



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

A rumor is a rumor. I do know that this flight had BETTER be nonstop otherwise its appeal will be diminished. What's the point of starting the first direct flight from the Middle East to South America if the flight will be routed via Europe?? This is what passengers want to avoid from the first place, passengers like myself. I have been waiting for this service for a long time, and I won't fly EK if the flight passes through Europe (a detour anyways).


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5991 times:
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Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
The indirect GRU would be a surprise as I would have thought EK would have gone for a direct GRU on the 777LR however a stop via BCN has been researched and appears favourable, 77W cattleship would be the likely choice.

If become real will be a big surprise, but also could be a very smart decision to know better the size of the market. Also it will be the only available BCN-Brazil service.

Felipe



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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
The indirect GRU would be a surprise as I would have thought EK would have gone for a direct GRU on the 777LR however a stop via BCN has been researched and appears favourable, 77W cattleship would be the likely choice.

What!!!??? There is zero chance of EK being sucessful in that route if not non-stop!!!!! Considering the majority of the traffic would be connecting pax, I doubt they would be willing to go to Middle East & Asia with 2 stops on the way, when they could easily go 1 stop through Europe. And routing the flight via BCN would be another big mistake!!!!

EK has one chance: Non-stop flight with whatever aicraft they choose! THat's it!!

I think this is a very lousy rumor!!!!


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

They probably don't see it working without a big plane like the 77W, and the 77W cannot make it without a stop. They'll never get 5th freedom rights at anypoint in Africa, so it has got to be via Europe.

User currently offlinePZ707 From Paraguay, joined Mar 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Don´t hurry for conclusions, try to get a single seat nowadays from Brazil or Argentina to Spain !!! I think EK flight GRU-BCN will do more than well. With Air Madrid out, and assuming that EK will not charge too much for Europe/Brazil, expect full or close to full flights. People form South America are flying with the lowest fares they can get, one thing is the bussines traffic but something totally different is the emigrants/inmigrants familys travelling all year round. With a good marketing campaing they can catch this market and later try to start a nonstop.

User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

EK to GRU via BCN perfect choice.
DXB - BCN - DXB will work for sure.
BCN - GRU - BCN will work.
DXB - GRU - DXB can be good choice to enter in Souht America.

Spain is good choice to stop before arrive in S. America. Air China just open PEK-MAD-GRU and is working very well.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
They'll never get 5th freedom rights at anypoint in Africa, so it has got to be via Europe.

Can you please tell us more about this? If I am not mistaken, ME used to fly to GRU via ABJ with fifth freedom rights. Are the corresponding bilaterals very restrictive?

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 7):
try to get a single seat nowadays from Brazil or Argentina to Spain !!!

You have a very good point. With RG still recovering from its near demise and JJ expanding slowly, someone else could attempt GRU-Europe (specifically Spain) with a high degree of certainty for success. And your comment about cheap fares is also very true... one of the reasons why the NM debacle has been so painful to Latin Americans is that it mainly catered to VFR and ethnic travelers, who cannot spend more than 800EUR for a nonstop flight.



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User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Generally I don't like rumours but it's Christmas so I'll join in the fun!

Quoting FlyEmirates (Thread starter):
however a stop via BCN has been researched and appears favourable

So that would make BCN a new destination for EK. And ahead of MAD for that! This would be a surprise for me.

Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
Considering the majority of the traffic would be connecting pax, I doubt they would be willing to go to Middle East & Asia with 2 stops on the way, when they could easily go 1 stop through Europe

I don't think this is likely to have as much impact as you suggest for the following reasons:

(1) On a trip that long the additional time of the extra stop and distance will not increase the overall journey time by a huge percentage.

(2) There is a huge advantage of efficient connections in DXB. For instance someone wanting to fly GRU-BKK would likely have to land somewhere in Europe in the morning and wait quite a few hours until the evening when most flights to BKK leave. That would probably result in a journey time longer than EK via BCN and DXB.

(3) Fares: EK can compete quite well on price especially vs European airlines. And fares between Brazil and Europe are anyway quite high already so plenty of room for EK to undercut.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 8):
EK to GRU via BCN perfect choice.
DXB - BCN - DXB will work for sure.
BCN - GRU - BCN will work.
DXB - GRU - DXB can be good choice to enter in Souht America.

Spain is good choice to stop before arrive in S. America. Air China just open PEK-MAD-GRU and is working very well.

I agree with Skyteam2000 fully

it has not to be seen necessarily as THE flight from DXB to South America, but more as a flight to break the knees of IB and replace Air Madrid on route BCN-GRU-BCN

DXB-BCN-DXB can work fine either with BCN flying to asia with all possible transfers @DXB



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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 8):
EK to GRU via BCN perfect choice.
DXB - BCN - DXB will work for sure.
BCN - GRU - BCN will work.
DXB - GRU - DXB can be good choice to enter in Souht America.

Spain is good choice to stop before arrive in S. America. Air China just open PEK-MAD-GRU and is working very well.

TBH I don't think it will work!!! First, EK always pointed DXB-South America flights to be a new option for passengers to go to Asia, Middle East & Australia.

Brazil_BCN market is very low yielding! They probably will be able to fill the back of the planes, but premium pax won't be in the same level!! Specially in a big 77W.

Besides, BRAZIL-Spain Market is just around the corner of over capacity!!

Why would they have problems using the 777LR's to GRU?? To me it seems to be the perfect seating capacity!!


User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Neo

Why would they have problems using the 777LR's to GRU?? To me it seems to be the perfect seating capacity!!

Of course I agree. But as a first test and just to check how is the market BCN stop I think is the best option.

Brazil_BCN market is very low yielding! They probably will be able to fill the back of the planes, but premium pax won't be in the same level!! Specially in a big 77W.

It will be good market. For sure.


User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

2 Step.

DXB-GRU-DXB with 77W
DXB-BCN-DXB

That is clever.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting Cyba (Reply 10):
So that would make BCN a new destination for EK. And ahead of MAD for that! This would be a surprise for me.

Interesting comment...
because SQ just launched SIN-MXP-BCN, and by all accounts this service is going very well, AND is being upgraded to the new B773ER.

So not really a surprise after all...


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Can you please tell us more about this? If I am not mistaken, ME used to fly to GRU via ABJ with fifth freedom rights. Are the corresponding bilaterals very restrictive?

My mistake. Perhaps the Ivoirians are more open minded, and perhaps the Ghanaians also. But the options are limited.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5272 times:
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I don't understand.

Australia.
They don't have the rights to fly any more services at the moment to Australia. Where will they get ADL flights from? I don't know what the policy of the Australian government is when it comes to EK continuing one of their Australian services but all I know is that when EK tried to start DXB-PER-AKL this year, Canberra said no and now the route seems like it won't go ahead in the near future. Also, if ADL was to be served wouldn't it be via somewhere like SIN, BKK, CGK or DPS? Not PER! After all, EK is all about fifth freedom traffic. Their trans tasman ops reflect this.

Spain.
Why BCN? I would have thought that MAD would have posed a much better opportunity for EK? In fact it seizes to amaze me that EK hasn't even gone to Spain yet! SQ just launched BCN and I don't know whether there will be enough room for another carrier to come in and play the rigorous competitor. Remember, BCN works for SQ because they have the connections available to them through Star Alliance partner JK of whom is based in BCN. TG is the same with MAD. Nonetheless this route is more than welcomed by me.

Brazil.
Non stop - yes. One stop - no. I thought the majority of EK's potential pax on the Brazil routes would be pax transferring in Dubai onwards to Asia? This completely defeats that purpose. QR will be going non stop (I think) so who will want to take a big detour via Spain to fly on an airline which isn't even 5 star? In fact, I would be very happy if someone could tell me how long a non stop flight would take and how long the one stop flight will take. It will be an interesting comparison. Oh, and one more thing, wouldn't a 345 work better with this route or even a 772? A 77W might be a bit of an overkill to start off with, don't you think?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 17):
They don't have the rights to fly any more services at the moment to Australia. Where will they get ADL flights from? I don't know what the policy of the Australian government is when it comes to EK continuing one of their Australian services

EK could launch direct flight into ADL without a problem, as the 49 flight per week cap applies to MEL,PER,SYD, BNE only.

Perhaps with talks coming up in March, EK's strategy is to ask for additional rights, and will offer to launch ADL flights via another Australian city until such time that ADL can stanbd up on a daily basis on it's own.

Don't forget that SQ and QF serve SIN (10pw), MH serves KUL (4pw), and that both SQ and MH cover both Europe and Asia quite adequately. CX also has 4pw via MEL outbound.

Smart move if EK's strategy is to combine ADL with another city on the proviso that it receives greater access..


User currently offlineMalc From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

Very interesting in that earlier this year EK said that ADL was 2 years off being serviced by them.
For interest ANZ used a 772 on their flight from AKL today to cope with the numbers of pax instead of the usual 320.


User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 13):
Brazil_BCN market is very low yielding! They probably will be able to fill the back of the planes, but premium pax won't be in the same level!! Specially in a big 77W.

In fact the traffic Spain - Brazil is all but low yielding. On the contrary, the tickets are not cheap at all, specially now that RG is gone . I am not sure ik EK can fill up half the plane from BCN...Hope they will, although I would rather see TAM or IB doing that route.

Cargo wise it would be very succesfull, as the capacity to Brazil is always very limited in terms of cargo ( thus becoming high yield cargo ) don´t forget EK is flying to BCN with its own freighter service .


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

As I live in Adelaide I would love see Emirates fly here on a regular basis, but I doubt we would have enough passengers to keep their aircraft filled, unless they went via another city.


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

http://www.emirates.com/EKSchedule/flightschedules.asp

Look at this link above, EK has loaded up in their timetable Venice (confirmed), Newcastle, Houston, Sao Paulo but nothing about Barcelona or other new stopover cities for the route to Brazil. Nothing as well for the rumored YYZ, but maybe it's too early. Anyway I guess EK is going to announce NCL, IAH and GRU in the following days or weeks.


User currently offlineEmirates Skies From Australia, joined Nov 2001, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Here in Dubai, I've heard rumours about Emirates starting nonstop flights from Dubai to Sao Paolo (Brazil) and to Spain (initially Barcelona was mentioned, then Madrid, and lately, Barcelona was mentioned once again as being the preferred point), but Emirates on the Dubai-Barcelona-Sao Paolo run is completely new to me. I will definitely ask around about it though!


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
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Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
And routing the flight via BCN would be another big mistake!!!!

Hi Neo,

Why you think BCN will be a mistake? There are enough market here in Barcelona to add a new flight with a great airline to Brazil.

You don't know how many people need to fly to Dubai or to Sao Paulo without the mandatory IB flights via Madrid.

Thanks God to have another great airline in a near future landing here.

Regards,

Gerard



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25 DZ09 : I think BCN is a good choice. It gives US travellers to DXB via europe an extra choice. I just hope that more EK flights from Europe to DXB become cod
26 Planemanofnz : Didn't IB once fly to Dubai?
27 Jacobin777 : Given that EK would only have 3x/weekly flights...they had the opportunity at 3x/weekly going up to 6x/weekly, but insisted on a daily and they were
28 Skyteam2000 : IBERIA never got a MAD-DXB. There are only looking to S.America and Europe that is sad but...
29 SAOAP : I know for a fact that we'll be seeing EK in GRU as of Oct. 2007... Still, from what I've been told this would be a direct flight: DXB-GRU-DXB. Which
30 Stirling : But sticking BCN in the middle of the route between DXB and GRU will add at least 3 hours (maybe even more) to the itinerary which is almost 1000nm l
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