Dreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 57 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
The past few days WJA 964 (YVR-HNL) & WJA 962 (YVR-HOG) have operated YVR-SFO-HNL/YVR-SFO-HOG respectively. Is this due to strong winds over the Pacific? Or is this new scheduled/charter/seasonal service?
CAPTYXU From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.
Flyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Transatlantic will not make it with small planes. Copa had problems in Panama, until the new diversion airport opened, and they flew relatively short distances.
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Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Quoting Flyorski (Reply 3): Transatlantic will not make it with small planes.
Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...
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VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4621 posts, RR: 40 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1821 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4): Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...
Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.
Quoting CAPTYXU (Reply 1): Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.
Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1736 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5): Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.
I ask my self "why would they do it" back when they announced it, I mean there were others using 737 to HNL with mega restriction, then it came to me: it is prep work for the "T7" YVR-HNL-SYD..........
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1709 times:
I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 7): I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel
Well it did not go to good out of YVR....... but hey that is the trend now use
SI aircrafts to fly around the world.... however I am sure the next gen. AC from AB & B will address these issues.....
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1587 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5): Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.
I've been thinking about this for a bit and have decided somebody familiar with range & payload on the 737-700 needs to weigh in here. Surely the range differential between that and a 319 can't be too much. And Air Pacific flies YVR-HNL-NAN using the 737 which has legs over 3000nm. Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.
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Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1503 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4): and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...
Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 11): Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.
..that's more like it, in fact, it could easily do YYT-STN without any problems...
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13): Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...
You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.
That would have been a fun flight!
Quoting Psyops (Reply 15): FWIW, I flew to OGG on Westjet last year from YVR. No tech stop, 738.
..given that the B737-7 has more range than the B737-8, I wouldn't expect to see too many tech stops for WestJet..
Bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
Astraeus operated LGW-YDF charters on a 148 seat 737-700 last year, and this year returns with a LGW-YDT-YYT twice weekly service starting in mid-Jan. The range is no problem, it's shorter than some of our Egyptian / West African routes.
Robsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 996 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5): Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers.
Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 987 times:
Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 18): Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.
It would be nice to see WS again @ SFO as sheduled services..
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..that's more like it, in fact, it could easily do YYT-STN without any problems...
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