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Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO  
User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
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The past few days WJA 964 (YVR-HNL) & WJA 962 (YVR-HOG) have operated YVR-SFO-HNL/YVR-SFO-HOG respectively. Is this due to strong winds over the Pacific? Or is this new scheduled/charter/seasonal service?

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User currently offlineCAPTYXU From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Thread starter):
Is this due to strong winds over the Pacific?

Yes. Makes you wonder how they'd fare on a transatlantic crossing using the same planes. Hello KEF.



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 996 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Transatlantic will not make it with small planes. Copa had problems in Panama, until the new diversion airport opened, and they flew relatively short distances.


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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 3):
Transatlantic will not make it with small planes.

Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4634 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4):
Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...

Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.

Quoting CAPTYXU (Reply 1):
Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.

Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.

Kris



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.

I ask my self "why would they do it" back when they announced it, I mean there were others using 737 to HNL with mega restriction, then it came to me: it is prep work for the "T7" YVR-HNL-SYD..........  Wink Big grin

Cheers,


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel

User currently offlinePikachu From Bhutan, joined Feb 2002, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

More to do with ETOPS restrictions rather than flying around storms.

User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 7):
I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel

Well it did not go to good out of YVR....... but hey that is the trend now use
SI aircrafts to fly around the world.... however I am sure the next gen. AC from AB & B will address these issues.....  Wink

Cheers,


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Wouldn't LAX be better than San Fran for a tech stop???

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.

I've been thinking about this for a bit and have decided somebody familiar with range & payload on the 737-700 needs to weigh in here. Surely the range differential between that and a 319 can't be too much. And Air Pacific flies YVR-HNL-NAN using the 737 which has legs over 3000nm. Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.



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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
Wouldn't LAX be better than San Fran for a tech stop???

Definitely not -- further East and further South. LAX is further from both Hawaii and Vancouver than SFO is.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4):
and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...

Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 11):
Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.

 checkmark ..that's more like it, in fact, it could easily do YYT-STN without any problems...



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...

You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.



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User currently offlinePsyops From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

FWIW, I flew to OGG on Westjet last year from YVR. No tech stop, 738.

Pete


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):

You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.

That would have been a fun flight!

Quoting Psyops (Reply 15):
FWIW, I flew to OGG on Westjet last year from YVR. No tech stop, 738.

..given that the B737-7 has more range than the B737-8, I wouldn't expect to see too many tech stops for WestJet..



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Astraeus operated LGW-YDF charters on a 148 seat 737-700 last year, and this year returns with a LGW-YDT-YYT twice weekly service starting in mid-Jan. The range is no problem, it's shorter than some of our Egyptian / West African routes.

User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers.

Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 18):
Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.

It would be nice to see WS again @ SFO as sheduled services..



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