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Varig Dropped From Star Alliance  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12354 times:

Really sad to read this news on Star Alliance website.


Press Releases 2006
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - 21 December 2006

VARIG to leave Star Alliance

Viação Aérea Rio-Grandense S.A. (VARIG Brazilian Airlines or "old" VARIG) will no longer be a member of Star Alliance as of 31 January 2007. This decision was prompted by the current restructuring of the airline in which "old" VARIG continued to be a Star Alliance member, operating a reduced flight schedule on behalf of a new company, VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A. ("New" VARIG).
With "new" VARIG now having been granted an official air operator's certificate (CHETA - Certificado de Homologação de Empresa de Transporte Aéreo) by the Brazilian authorities, "old" VARIG will in future no longer fulfil the pre-requisites for Star Alliance membership.

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press...0061221_RGleavingstaralliance.html

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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6782 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12346 times:

Now Star needs to find a new member in South America, with possible options being very limited...


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12257 times:

Does this mean that the "new" VARIG will take its place?

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
w Star needs to find a new member in South America, with possible options being very limited...

Ohhh yes...with TAM as the biggest South America airline there are few options...]

I t doesn´t mean TAM will be part of Star Alliance...but say that options are limited I don´t agree.


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Sad to hear but not unexpected as the old VARIG is a different entity with only one 737 to operate it hardly can substantiate belonging to the Star Alliance.

Perhaps once the New VARIG is up and stable then perhaps the Star Alliance might reconsider reentry. As far as another operator in Brazil joining the Alliance I think it is difficult as most code share with other airlines that are members of other programmes though they are not members of any particular alliance themselves. TAM has its own miles programme in which you gain a free ticket after a certain number of flights (depending on card level) but mainly within Brazil. GOL I don't think operate any miles system.


User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12123 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
VARIG to leave Star Alliance

Had to happen, and about time. Kind of embarassing for the other *A members to have to promote VARIG as an alliance member on their websites, in their in-flight magazines, etc.

If all this UA/CO merger rumors come to fruition, *A's Central and South America woes will be over.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6782 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12062 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
Ohhh yes...with TAM as the biggest South America airline there are few options...]

I t doesn´t mean TAM will be part of Star Alliance...but say that options are limited I don´t agree.

There's TAM and...? Options are limited.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

Sad news for Varig and Star.

TAM doesnt want to be at any alliance until now. AF want to Skyteam and AA to Oneworld but they do not move. Now I am sure LH will do the work.
Who will win? TAM for sure, it is a good cake.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4325 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
There's TAM and...? Options are limited

The other large and good airlines in South America are LAN (deeply in OneWorld) , Aerolineas Argentinas, Avianca (with other Synergy airlines like Oceanair and VIP) and GOL. Except LAN, they all might be a nice addition for Star Alliance.
Including Mexico and Central America, you can consider TACA, COPA, Mexicana and Aeromexico, of which TACA and Mexicana might also be interesting for (re) entry in an alliance.



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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Quoting Skyteam2000 (Reply 7):
TAM doesnt want to be at any alliance until now. AF want to Skyteam and AA to Oneworld but they do not move. Now I am sure LH will do the work.
Who will win? TAM for sure, it is a good cake.

huh?
Translation please..............



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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11870 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Including Mexico and Central America, you can consider TACA, COPA, Mexicana and Aeromexico, of which TACA and Mexicana might also be interesting for (re) entry in an alliance.

Except that AeroMexico is a founding member (one of the original 4, along with Air France, Delta Air Lines and Korean Air) of SkyTeam.

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11857 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Now Star needs to find a new member in South America, with possible options being very limited...

TAM and AVIANCA (and others from Synergy Group) comes to my mind



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6782 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11845 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Except LAN, they all might be a nice addition for Star Alliance.
Including Mexico and Central America, you can consider TACA, COPA, Mexicana and Aeromexico, of which TACA and Mexicana might also be interesting for (re) entry in an alliance.

TACA could be an addition, but just like other Central American carriers it lacks the dense southern network Varig used to offer. Aeromexico is a member of SkyTeam, COPA is linked to Continental. Mexicana is unlikely to join again currently.

GOL is a pure LCC not offering all the frills like the Star carriers, Aerolineas Argentinas offers a dense Argentinian network but its location doesn't suit well for connections across the whole continent.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11743 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
TACA could be an addition, but just like other Central American carriers it lacks the dense southern network Varig used to offer. Aeromexico is a member of SkyTeam, COPA is linked to Continental. Mexicana is unlikely to join again currently.

GOL is a pure LCC not offering all the frills like the Star carriers, Aerolineas Argentinas offers a dense Argentinian network but its location doesn't suit well for connections across the whole continent.

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I would have hoped that Star could work with the new Varig and help them get their act together. Star's support could have really helped the airline (by funneling traffic to it) and Star (by offering more destinations in deep South America), a win-win.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11729 times:

There's also Aerolineas Argentinas.....or even LAN if Lufthansa can pursuade it.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8961 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11628 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 13):

I would have hoped that Star could work with the new Varig and help them get their act together. Star's support could have really helped the airline (by funneling traffic to it) and Star (by offering more destinations in deep South America), a win-win.

"New" Varig is already in talks to enter Star Alliance. Nothing decided yet, but they already had a meeting with Jaan Albrecht, Star's CEO, and are hoping to defeine a role for the New Varig by the end of the month.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11605 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):

TACA could be an addition, but just like other Central American carriers it lacks the dense southern network Varig used to offer.

They could develop their Lima hub and offer more destinations to the south. They have quite a lot of them right now!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11517 times:
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Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 2):
Does this mean that the "new" VARIG will take its place?

If they fill all the conditions, yes they probably will be the South American partner. One thing is clear to me, it will take at least 1 year to see Varig again in Star Alliance.
A side-note, they will change their RG code also.

Quoting Bongo (Reply 11):
TAM and AVIANCA (and others from Synergy Group) comes to my mind

Forget about Tam. Avianca could be a name, but they need to improve their network in Brazil with Ocean Air.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11516 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 16):
They could develop their Lima hub and offer more destinations to the south. They have quite a lot of them right now!

well, the only problem is only AC flies to Lima.....


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
A side-note, they will change their RG code also

So what will their code be now ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineWerkur767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11258 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Really sad to read this news on Star Alliance website.


Press Releases 2006
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - 21 December 2006

VARIG to leave Star Alliance

Viação Aérea Rio-Grandense S.A. (VARIG Brazilian Airlines or "old" VARIG) will no longer be a member of Star Alliance as of 31 January 2007. This decision was prompted by the current restructuring of the airline in which "old" VARIG continued to be a Star Alliance member, operating a reduced flight schedule on behalf of a new company, VRG Linhas Aéreas S.A. ("New" VARIG).
With "new" VARIG now having been granted an official air operator's certificate (CHETA - Certificado de Homologação de Empresa de Transporte Aéreo) by the Brazilian authorities, "old" VARIG will in future no longer fulfil the pre-requisites for Star Alliance membership.

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press....html

It's sad news, i flown many times with Varig, the company was for more than 70 years the largest and most principal airline here in Brazil. I'm plastic model maker, i built a 737-300 model, 1/144 scale, with 75th year sticker, and i made with proud. Varig is my favourite airline for Brazil. Really sad news, many Varig fliglts still to being cancelled, day after day....

Werner from GRU.


User currently offlineMpdesa From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

Quoting Werkur767 (Reply 20):
many Varig fliglts still to being cancelled, day after day....

Are you talking about currently?


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11112 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
with TAM as the biggest South America airline there are few options...]

JJ and AR comes to my mind, but still, New RG could also apply...

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Avianca (with other Synergy airlines like Oceanair and VIP) and GOL

Nah, AV is not that relevant in South American skies, and I don't see a LCC in Star either. How many Star members fly to BOG?

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 14):
There's also Aerolineas Argentinas.....or even LAN if Lufthansa can pursuade it.

AR does come to my mind, as posted. More connected, able of linking Oceania, North America and Europe, etc. Although I don't think EZE works as well as GRU for hubbing an alliance.

Anyway, I vote for AR, and JJ for SkyTeam!

LAN is not an option, too much codesharing with AA and IB, and they would lose Oceanea as it is now...

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 16):

They could develop their Lima hub and offer more destinations to the south. They have quite a lot of them right now!

Would be nice. Why not CM as well?

Regards. Wishing Varig the best!

Arcano



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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

I'm not too sure that LA would give up Oceania quite that easily. They would still be able to code share with NZ??

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10238 times:
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Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 23):
I'm not too sure that LA would give up Oceania quite that easily. They would still be able to code share with NZ??

No, they fought a battle with QF at the beginning of the century to stay on the NZ and OZ routes and here they are today, while QF has pulled out of South America. LA will be here in Oceania to stay and the added frequencies introduced this year reflects this. LA will also remian part of Oneworld I would think.

As far as Star Alliance goes, AR seems the most likely option at the moment.

-They currently fly to AKL meaning that South American passengers could easily connect to Australia and Asia through NZ.
-They fly to MAD and BCN which are the hubs for JK meaning seamless domestic conections within Spain and then onwards to Europe.

Seems a perfect match to me.

[Edited 2006-12-22 04:47:23]

25 Kiwiandrew : not really , that would solve getting between North America and South America , it would do nothing for links within South America , or between South
26 RootsAir : This could therefore mean LH returning to LIM . I know they did fly there once but with KL going non stop with the 777's there would perhaps be no mo
27 Post contains links and images SKY1 : JJ could join SkyTeam, but I don't see AR as a SkyT member. If AR joins any global alliance it will be Star. Remember G.Pascual, Spanair CEO is also
28 Tavong : TAM is the best options and at this timethey're not interested in an alliance. AV would be nice but i really don't see this happenning, AV isn't inter
29 Post contains images SKY1 : Are you sure about this?
30 LHStarAlliance : Yeah I think *A would be for them much better than One World as Iberia has also a dense South America network
31 Manu : I wonder if any *A execs use this type of site and read comments like this, to get free advice and input. Obviously fleet choices and alliance members
32 Post contains images LH526 : LAN turing oneworld down and moving to Star Alliance .. that's my ultimate aviation dream come true! However I douibt it will ever become reality Mari
33 RAFVC10 : Maybe, now, they will search a new member in South America and Aerolineas Argentinas would be the best suitable partner. If Spanair is a member and ha
34 Kiwiandrew : it would be more accurate to say that they have some ownership in common - JK is mostly owned by SK but Marsans have a small stake . Marsans own a la
35 JoKeR : Sad to see Varig get "dumped" like this; sure difficulties and fighting for survival does place it in a league of its own, but it would have been nice
36 OHLHD : What has that to do with LAN? Iberia has a large EU to South America Network and LAN has just a dense South America Network....my guess is that this
37 Acontador : I would love to see LAN changing over to Star. Why? Today Lan cannot effectively expand their operations into Europe, and they are "forced" to use MAD
38 BSBIsland : Nothing unexpected. Other airlines such as LH and TP (?) had already canceled their code-shares with RG some time ago. Its going to be difficult to fi
39 SKY1 : I don't think LAN is unhappy within oneworld, so there is not need for a change at all.
40 RCS763AV : Indeed, but remeber Brazil is not South America. AV would only need to add some frequency to SCL and EZE and done. Only AC flies to BOG, and for now,
41 Post contains images SKY1 : AV is relevant ...within Colombia. And no more (sorry, but facts are facts) SkyTeam already said two years ago "no" to AV. Sorry again but AV is not
42 PPVRA : But it's a single market that accounts for roughly half of the market in South America, with plenty of flights to EZE and SCL - the other two major m
43 SOUTHAMERICA : I'd like to see what facts do you have to support that. Facts are: 5 MILLION passengers/year, 21 international destinations, more than 60 weekly figh
44 Post contains images Legacy135 : I absolutely agree. AV has with it's BOG hub a very favorable location, making connections to about any South American as also European, Caribbean an
45 SKY1 : The same yourself already said. Or maybe AV is right now as big as LH?? Make a comparison with airlines type UA, AA, AF, LH, SQ, CX, etc ...they are
46 SOUTHAMERICA : You completely missed the point. It is OBVIOUS that AV is incomparable to LH, just like any other Latin American airline is [except maybe JJ]. Not ev
47 Post contains images Arcano : Not sure, since stupid LAN is trying to convince us that the damn stop in LIM is mandatory indeed! BOG could host a nice hub but the altitude won't a
48 SKY1 : Federico, I respect your point of view but AV doesn't characterize itself for having a great international route network. As an airline which was fou
49 JAL : Who will take it's place in the alliance South American network? I very much doubt Lan will leave OneWorld as they are quite happpy in OneWorld so tha
50 RCS763AV : Right, that´s why AV is one of the biggest international carriers in MIA, CCS, UIO, LIM..... When did skyteam said no to AV? Please dont invent here
51 RCS763AV : In the southern cone. In the continent, Venezuela and Colombia are much larger than Chile.
52 VV701 : I believe RG still has its LHR slots even though JJ is now flying into LHR. Who owns these slots? Is it 'new' or 'old' Varig? Who ever, if the slots a
53 BSBIsland : Which long haul routes does AV have apart from MAD/BCN? You have to consider that even with a limited international network TAM have 9 daily longhaul
54 Arcano : But Indeed, I don't even see LAN as the best choice for an alliance in Latin America. Remember the first one to join was RG to Star, that was the fir
55 Post contains images SKY1 : Yes, AV did it. NO! ...UX is not a full member in SkyTeam. It's only an "associated" member. Just check the SkyTeam's web site, please. ALC Do you th
56 RCS763AV : Since you are counting all of LAN´s flights within the continent, i will say AV has LAX and ALC apart from BCN and MAD. But Colombia-LAX is an 8 hou
57 Tavong : Maybe but has i said already AV is doing just fine at tyhis timne with their codeshares so i really don't see at this point why AV would be joining S
58 A300AA : Relevant or not AV is still too far from being part of a global alliance. Yes AV applied two years ago to be part of Sky Team, and have talked with OW
59 RCS763AV : It feeds DL, IB through codeshare and LH and AF by interlining. Im just saying the only good candidate to replace (if star needs a replacement) RG in
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