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Bad Choice Delta On 777 Seats!  
User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Just want to say that the DL 777 seats and the 2-5-2 are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poor. Bad bad.

--this coming from a Delta fan.

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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
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I agree - when I flew on a DL 777 (April 2000, ATL-MIA) I found it a bit cramped, and the "cool controls" of the seats (the lumbar support, I think) didn't work at all...

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

CO and AF were smart to configure their 777's in a 3-3-3 configuration. Although there are 2 seats in every row that are more than 1 seat away from an aisle opposed to one, being in that middle seat in the 5 seat row is pure hell. Trust me, I spent 10 hours in that seat.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

How are BA 777s configured?


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

if its 2-5-2 then your no more than 1 seat away except if your right in the middly where your 2 seats away, thats 1 person per row that is 2 seats away from the aisle. If its 3-3-3 configeration the window seat passengers are 2 away from the aisle so 2 people per row are 2 seats away from the aisle.

An the A340, there is no problem because the configuration is 2-4-2 and your never anymore than a seat away from the aisle.
regards
trev



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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

BA`s 777 also have 3-3-3 economy class layout. Although I haven`t flown on a 777, I think the 2-5-2 is a better solution, because it`s only if the flight is very full that you have to use the middle seat. And in that configuration, only one seat is two seats away from the aisle. But I do understand that it`s not so cool to be stuck in the center seat, but as a whole, to me the 2-5-2 configuration makes more sense. But I think that the majority of airlines operating the 777 use the 3-3-3 layout. What`s even worse, Thai have a ten- abreast 3-4-3 layout..


Stick & Rudder
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1968 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

All of DL's new generation seats (777,737NG,764) are pretty miserable as far as comfort goes, but relief is not far away. We will be replacing all of these seatbacks with a slimmer unit along with new slimmer armrests (with the telephone mounted on the side) and new IFE underseat mounts. Engineering is currently working on the problem and the modifications should begin shortly. Hopefully, all of the planes will be modified within a year.


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Yes I agree, the A340 is free of these double-excuse-me problems. It is the best seating arrangement...........
well, maybe not, the first class seating on 747s on airlines such as BA, SQ, CX, QF is the best- all aisle seats, no excuse-me-s at all.


User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

No excuse me on any A340 Firstclass of Business class i dont think with 2-2-2 in Business and optional in first


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User currently offlineSAS_A330-300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Has the president of Delta (sorry, don't know his name) self tried to sit in the middle of 5 seats?
If he hasn't, I would like too see how he reacts.


User currently offlineAmir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Actually, Cathay Pacific conducted a survey when they deceided on their first 777
by simulating and calculating how many pax will get a prisoner seat at diffrent seat load factors. They did actually found out that the 2-5-2- configuration was the best it is only beaten by others when having full coach load.

Rgds
Amir



User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

BA actually has a few 777s with a 3-4-3 config. I flew one LGW-ANU a few months back. The plane had 383 seats altogether, and that includes the few Club World seats they had,

User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

But later CX switched to 333 seating arrangement on the 777-300.

User currently offlineScaredflyer21 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2082 times:

All of Delta's seats(even first class)are terrible!!!

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2078 times:

I agree All of Delta's seats are crammped and terrible. They sure are nothing like the seats on United.


Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineGyro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2080 times:

And yet, for some unknown reason Delta is #1 in the poll that's going on right now.... ???

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

IWhat about the 767? Even in the middle, you are only 1 seat away from the asile.

User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

United's coach seats are about as comfortable as a brick and as roomy as shopping cart.

Delta's seats arent that bad!

2-5-2- is good unless you are in the middle of the 5. usually the airline puts family with kids in the center and the kids are so small they dont care.

Let's take the NW DC10 for an example:

2-5-2 in 23 rows of the main cabin
5 rows are 2-4-2

its takes over a 90% load factor before ANYONE has to be in the center seat


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Not all of Delta's seats are bad... the Biz Elite seats are the best in the business.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

I beg to differ... the BusinessFirst product is the best biz product in the industry, hands down, bar none, that's it. The 767 is where it is really evident. Continental offers a 2-1-2 arrangement, maximizing space and comfort. Delta has it 2-2-2, which compromises the size of the seat.

Seat width:

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BusinessElite on a 767-300ER
Seat width: 18.5 in


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Photo © RANDY HARRISON


BusinessFirst on a 767-400ER
Seat width: 21 in

2.5 inches is a lot, especially over a long transatlantic flight. No doubt, my choice will always be BusinessFirst



User currently offlineOlympicComet4b From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

I do really detest the 5 across seating. It seems to be an American (the country not the airline) thing which started with the old DC-10-10's then caught on with the L-1011's. It just seems stupid to cram all those people in the center. It is also ugly, frightening and overwhelming visually and psychologically. Especially for claustophobics.
I also feel (not proven but just my own opinion) that it is more difficult to evacuate from a 5 seat center than a 4 seat center. I recall the survivors of the United
DC-10 Sioux City crash landing complained about the tightness of the rows, which I must assume was a reference to the center 5 seat consoles.
In any case, it would seem to me to be just as easy to create a 3-4-2 configuration, which, if you all recall, was the original Y class configuration Boeing suggested and offered on the B747 when it was introduced as a "luxury Jetliner".
Why do they still use 5 abreast seating???
Ciao.


User currently offlineThe spinmaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

sorry.......not everyone can sit in an aisle or a window seat.

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

It will be 3-4-3 in the near future. I read about it awhile back. They will also have "thinner" materials used on the seats for more leg room (I think).

User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

How do you all feel about AA's coach/business/first seats? they are the "new generation" seats --- somewhat similar to Delta's seats. Are AA's better tahn Deltas? I have not heard much about AA's seats.

What do u think?

AA@DFW


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

I dont find DL seats uncomfortable. I have only experienced the old seats (the ones without adjustable headrests) on the MD-88, 727-200, 767 & 757. All of them were very comfortable except for the 727 which was alittle cramped.

25 Fanoftristars : I love the posters that say, "I hate the center seat in the row of five... I was stuck xx hours in that middle seat..." Stuck? What? Was there a bear
26 Rojo : I requested Delta's reservation department for a seat assignment 10 days before the departure of my flight and they told me that they couldn't assign
27 Fanoftristars : Well, you were very unlucky, because if you knew the percentage of people that don't show up for their flight (in other words, you could have had thei
28 Rojo : Fanoftristars: I did that trip on August and the flight was oversold. At least I could make the journey. The good thing happend on my return trip, I d
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