MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
Thursday, November 16, 2006
Five Segments on Turkmenistan Airlines!
Posted to the Travel Buzz forum at www.flyertalk.com:
"Turkmenistan Airlines: Not As Bad As Advertised!"
That's not much of a slogan, but it's the best that can be said of this Central Asian carrier, on which I flew five segments last week. The only collection of online reviews is at www.airlinequality.com, and the marks were generally poor.
Turkmenistan, for those of you who don't keep abreast of obscure Caspian dictatorships, is a former Soviet republic that is 90% desert. The sand caps what is reportedly the world's fourth-largest reserve of natural gas, which is about the only reason anybody would visit. (The Turkmen also weave nice carpets.)
Turkmenistan's claim to fame is the bizarre behavior of its leader, President for Life Saparmurat Niyazov, who granted himself the title "Turkmenbashi the Great." For a taste of his eclectic policies, please note that he has, in a roughly ascending order of lunacy, mandated white marble facing on all new buildings in the capital, outlawed smoking (when he quit), named countless buildings after himself, placed his likeness on all currency, erected gold-plated statues of himself throughout the country, published a series of books which are now the basis of the national curriculum, banned opera and movies as "unturkmen," imposed a new alphabet, renamed the month of April after his mother and ordered the closure of all hospitals outside the capital.
To opiate the masses, the Turkmenbashi heavily subsidizes the economy, and state-owned Turkmenistan Airlines is part of that plan. Water, electricity, salt and other staples are free. Gasoline costs 5 cents a gallon. Domestic airfares cost one to ten dollars for Turkmen and, even with taxes and commissions and foreigner pricing, a one-hour internal flight costs a visitor about $20.
I flew five segments: from Beijing (PEK) to the capital city of Ashgabat (ASB) and back, a one-way flight from the historic town of Mary (MYP) to Ashgabat, and a round-trip between Ashgabat and the northern town of Dashoguz (TAZ).
All flights were on Boeings, with 757s on the international legs and 717s domestically. The pilots were allegedly Western-trained and looked Russian, but none said a word during my five flights.
The planes weren't bad. The seats were maintained, and the cabins were clean. The same cannot be said of all Turkmen travellers, and avoiding an aromatic seatmate is key to a pleasant flight.
There were other signs that this wasn't the Delta Shuttle. The bulkhead wall at the front of each cabin bore a framed photograph of the Turkmenbashi, so there's no escaping his Brylcreemed mug. The Turkmen passengers paid no heed to any rules about seatbelts or cabin movement. Boarding the plane was all pushing and shoving, and the old ladies had the best moves.
Aside from a flight map on the 757s, there was no in-flight entertainment, although the return to PEK started with two Turkmen grandmothers, wearing their colorful national dress and flashing gold teeth, cursing and almost coming to blows. The food was standard airline grub, and the flight attendants were reasonably diligent, if
unenthusiastic, about serving drinks and responding to the call button, which the Turkmen pushed without hesitation. There was no in-flight magazine, which would, in any event, have been devoted entirely to articles about You Know Who.
Luggage limits were nonexistent, but, in a country where almost everything has to be imported, I was sympathetic. Those Turkmen who can get out of Dodge return with arm-breaking quantities of Chinese and Western goods. In PEK, some Turkmen boarded the plane with three or four bags; one man sat down with a case of wine. The space on my flight was so oversubscribed that three trucks of baggage were left behind. The stranded bags were to arrive on the next flight with room, tolerable if you're a Turkmen but infuriating if you're a traveller.
The new airport in Ashgabat was modern and minimally functional. Guess who it's named after. The airports in Mary and Dashoguz were Soviet relics where passenger comfort was of no concern. For example, there were no bathrooms airside; you had to wait until you boarded. The Turkmenbashi should spend a few petrodollars on upgrades.
Turkmenistan Airlines has no web site. It has no frequent flyer program that I could discern and is not part of any alliance. It serves the major cities in Turkmenistan in the sense that it connects them to Ashgabat. The foreign destinations include London, Beijing, Moscow, Bangkok and Istanbul. Flights through Ashgabat are cheap;
flights to Ashgabat are expensive.
Turkmenistan Airlines is cut-rate transportation which isn't so bad if your expectations are low. You might want to snag a boarding pass or other trinket with the company's name. It will make a nice souvenir after the carrier is inevitably renamed Turkmenbashi Airlines.
ChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
A timely post, given the Great Leader's recent demise. Changes in Turkemnistan are afoot!
MCOGVADCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
Changes afoot, unfortunately the changes might be pervasive civil unrest, which might not bode well for Turkmenistan Airlines.
REPOSER EN PAIX TURKMENBASHI...not.
airports this year: gva sxf lhr ord atl dca clt mco lax las sfo hkg szx pvg kwl tao zuh wnz bkk cnx doh fco cvg
Je89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2019 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
Funny you post this right at his death. As dear leader Turkmenbashi did not appoint a successor, things might get a little interesting in Turkmenistan, probably a lot of turmoil.
CY319 From Greece, joined Apr 2006, 373 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Interesting travel report mate.
They also fly to BHX quite regurarly. I suppose due to the VFR traffic between UK and Turkmenistan. But why did they choose BHX over London?
Bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1147 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
Maybe it came to the great Leader in a vision: "do not fly to London! For it is an evil city!"
Still, good riddance... the guy was obviously a nutcase, way up there with Kim Jung-Il.
Lets just hope that the parliament, or whatever they have overthere, will appoint a new (interim)president very fast, one who is able to ensure a peaceful transition and won't think he's the new Messiah...
GayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1703 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
They operated a few years back in to MAN and I remember going on board for a nosey and it is true - there were portraits of the president on every bulkhead and the plane had a smell that can only be described as rancid sour milk with a hint of wet labrador!
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2281 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Every Saturday around noon everybody in my company had fear to be at the check-in for Turkmenistan flight from FRA to ASB. The flights weren't so full, but there are a lot of problems caused by the behaviour of the pax as well as the representives. Every flight they sent car tires, bumpers, doors and many more thinks as co-mail (company mail).
Candid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 638 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
Quoting CY319 (Reply 4): They also fly to BHX quite regurarly. I suppose due to the VFR traffic between UK and Turkmenistan. But why did they choose BHX over London?
All these little central Asian airlines UK operations are run by NRI Indians, I know this because I used to work for the Uzbeks at MAN. The service was eventually pulled and moved to BHX because the GSA who pulled the strings was run by people with friends and family in the Midlands. The various flights from BHX and from LHR exist primarily for the Indian community and not for visitors to Central Asia (hence the difference between the fares).
Interesting article, you'd be surprised at how disciplined and operationally focused many of these airlines are.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 2723 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
Great article - as Candid76 posted, a lot of these airlines do well on the UK-India route. I think Turkmenistan does fly to India as well (not sure if they fly to DEL or ATQ or both)
RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2058 times:
Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 1): A timely post, given the Great Leader's recent demise. Changes in Turkemnistan are afoot!
Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 2): Changes afoot, unfortunately the changes might be pervasive civil unrest, which might not bode well for Turkmenistan Airlines.
REPOSER EN PAIX TURKMENBASHI...not.
News from Ashgabad!!
All the T5 fleet is stored in MOW and ASB after a comunicate from the army asking for prays and to keep mourning for him. At least one week!!!!!
I cannot understand anything...
El dia que los gilipollas vuelen, no podremos ver la luz del sol!
BHXDTW From French Polynesia, joined Feb 2005, 1047 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2048 times:
Ok...
first... great post... really great...
Im a big fan of these central asian former CIS countries.. in the sense that I do a lot of research on them and im avidly interested in the politics, demographic stats etc...
Anyway.. T5 do fly to BHX regularly and is a flight aimed at the large amount of travellers going on to ATQ..
My friend who sits opposite on me in my office also worked on T5 for a while at BHX and we often talk about the fun times checking in flights for T5 and HY
(HY on the other hand had onward flights to JFK for a while and had more 'western' travellers using the services going on from TAS to BKK etc)
T5 as I said really only serves BHX and maybe LHR to an extent for the ATQ traffic which I honestly thought would dwindle with AI starting the BHX ATQ route.
T5 also have had 717 and 737 eqpt on transit flights transit thru BHX.. these were also subsidised by the very proud ruler Turkmenbashi... something which I honestly dont blame him for.
I do hope T5 continue to fly into BHX as out of the 3 former CIS carriers that have flown into BHX (HY,T5 and R8) they have been the airline serving BHX the longest and their nice white and blue 75's are always a welcome change.
Anyway.. to this comment..
Quoting Bwest (Reply 5): Still, good riddance... the guy was obviously a nutcase, way up there with Kim Jung-Il.
I see where your coming from with this statement but I by no means agree..
From my own research .. extensive research and knowledge of Turkmenistan and Turkmenbashi.. I would by no means whatsoever classify him in the same league as Kim Jong il !!..
without turning civ.av into a politics war, I would just kindly like to point out that Turkmenbashi has made some weird changes like naming virtually everything after him and his folks... but he was given that power from the Russians to make those decisions and it basically boils down to a chap who loves his mum and dad and obviously himself.. furthermore he offers many staples free as the threadstarter posted and although he has banned cinemas, the ballet, etc for not being 'Traditionally Turkmen' and other crazy things... he doesnt or didnt force his people to live in poverty..
The guy was a dictator.. true and made some odd changes and restricted people to certain ways of life.. but to compare him to a Kim Jong who is trying to be pursuaded to stop testing nukes .. I think thats a little excessive...
Anyhow... thats my 5cents...
Hope your all having a good day !!
(ps..the sunday times last week had a good article on Turkmenistan in the magazine if anyone has it lying around still... have a read ! )
Joe
next flights: LTN-EWR (Y7) / CAK-PHL-EWR (US) / EWR-LTN (Y7)
Turpentyine From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2022 times:
How was the airport security in that country?
Guards with AK-47s?
CO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
Very interesting report.
Thank you very much for sharing.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
Your welcome and glad the article was of interest.
I'm glad I read this myself, the only thing I knew was Niyazov was an eccentric dictator (considered among of the world's worst, although probably still a lot better than Kim Jong) who had his image everywhere.
I didn't know much about Turkmenistan Airlines. But I was aware it was one of the very first ex. Soviet republics to operate western aircaft by acquiring a 737-300 (brand new from Boeing I think). Also one of the few 717 operators around. I wonder if Niyazov himself chose the aircraft?
Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 10): All the T5 fleet is stored in MOW and ASB after a comunicate from the army asking for prays and to keep mourning for him. At least one week!!!!!
lol.. crazy. Anyways I hope the airline or a successor is seen again at FRA, LHR. It was probably one of the most exotic carriers around. I liked their nice, simple livery even though I've only seen it on pictures.
Quoting Bwest (Reply 5): Lets just hope that the parliament, or whatever they have overthere, will appoint a new (interim)president very fast, one who is able to ensure a peaceful transition and won't think he's the new Messiah...
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 4644 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 16): Soviet republics to operate western aircaft by acquiring a 737-300 (brand new from Boeing I think). Also one of the few 717 operators around. I wonder if Niyazov himself chose the aircraft?
Do they use the 717 at all? There are only 2 pictures in the database on a.net and 17 on jetphotos.net and all of them were taken in LGB + 2 in BHX prior to delivery.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
Probably not many A.Net-ers in Ashgabat, Mr Nyiazov wasn't too big on the internet, at least not for his countrymen.
I saw one of the Turkmenistan 717s at Long Beach a few years back, nice planes, too bad they don't show up on A.Net much.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 970 times:
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 17): Do they use the 717 at all? There are only 2 pictures in the database on a.net and 17 on jetphotos.net and all of them were taken in LGB + 2 in BHX prior to delivery.
There's actually a good number of photos (39) on a.net of their 717s, all on delivery or in foreign airshows, and all fairly recent.
Those 717s are probably flown only on domestic or short-haul routes to airports where rarely anyone goes to photograph. Aircraft photography might not be easy to do over there, locals might not have decent enough cameras for shots to be accepted here, etc.
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Pretty plane indeed
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2972 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 695 times:
The one and only time I ever taxied an aircraft (when I was still in A&P school), I had to hold for the T5 767 that I believe ended up being the presidential a/c at PAE. Nice looking planes, hopefully someone on a.net can get some more shots in their natural element.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 501 times:
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 18): Probably not many A.Net-ers in Ashgabat, Mr Nyiazov wasn't too big on the internet, at least not for his countrymen.
No internet use at all? Well, it's not like Turkmenistan is the only one, there's a list of countries where the internet isn't allowed or only a few have access.
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21): The one and only time I ever taxied an aircraft (when I was still in A&P school), I had to hold for the T5 767 that I believe ended up being the presidential a/c at PAE. Nice looking planes, hopefully someone on a.net can get some more shots in their natural element.
did 'Turkmenbash'i even traveled abroad that often?