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Mesa Group To Launch New Airline - In China  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061221/lath079.html?.v=79

Mesa Air Group Signs Landmark Agreement in China With Shenzhen Airlines
Thursday December 21, 10:00 pm ET

BEIJING, Dec. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Mesa Air Group Inc. (Nasdaq: MESA - News), today signed a Joint Venture agreement with Shenzhen Airlines to create a Chinese regional airline, the name of which is yet to be determined. The new airline is expected to commence scheduled services within 12 months, initially operating 50-seat regional jets on domestic routes within the People's Republic of China. Focus cities for the new services will include Shenzhen, Beijing, Chongqing, Xiamen, Nanjing, Kunming, Dalian, Shenyang, Xian, Zhengzhou and Nanning....

...The new carrier, Beijing Airlines, expects to have 20 50-seat regional jets in service prior to the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008, growing to more than 100 planes within five years, comprising a mix of 50, 70 and 90 seat regional jet aircraft.

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User currently offline777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Ready the lawyers! Did they get "permission" from HA and AQ?! No doubt they'll be all over this one!


777fan   

[Edited 2006-12-22 06:25:38]

User currently offlineFlyibaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

Okay, how in the hell are they going to do this. Will they try and find local pilots to crew these jets, and pay them in chinese Quan half what they would make in US Dollars...or find pilots still furloughed from the majors to fill the seats in these aircraft?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

I dont mean to be ignorant, but is it me or is Mesa shooting itself in the foot worse than they usually do??

User currently offline777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

Tough to tell what they have in store for this venture. I have no idea how they convinced the Chinese government to let them in what is normally a heavily protected market. I would imagine that if they can hang on through the olympics, they'd stand to make a pile of cash. Could it be that Mesa is slowly but surely putting the pieces together to become a major? Having roots (not routes!) in the US and China makes for an impressive set of bookends, so to speak. Very interesting, indeed.

777fan


User currently offlineRiddlePilot215 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
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Wow.....I wanna know how Mesa pulled this one off.....They must have been doing a lot of dirty dealings with the government on this one....An American Company with significant holdings in a communist country? Oh boy...

I can already see it now...Mesa's new advertising scheme...

"Mesa Air Group...Lowering Aviation Standards: Worldwide"


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Could it be that Mesa is slowly but surely putting the pieces together to become a major? Having roots (not routes!) in the US and China makes for an impressive set of bookends, so to speak. Very interesting, indeed.

Or possibly through a legal loophole shoring up a regional feed in china for an american major? Think about it, the chinese government is giving Mesa rights to fly in china, does it cover who they'll be flying for?


User currently offlineAloha73G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
does it cover who they'll be flying for?

In the Honolulu Star Bulletin, it says they will be flying for Shenzen Airlines.

http://starbulletin.com/2006/12/21/news/story01.html

"Mesa Air Group Inc. -- parent of interisland carrier go! -- will become the first U.S. passenger airline to operate a joint venture to fly in mainland China.

The Phoenix-based carrier will hold a signing ceremony in Beijing today (tomorrow in China) announcing it has signed a joint venture agreement with Shenzhen Airlines to create a Chinese regional airline, the Star-Bulletin has learned."

-Aloha!


User currently offline777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
today signed a Joint Venture agreement with Shenzhen Airlines to create a Chinese regional airline, the name of which is yet to be determined

Right, but if you read the initial except (quoted above), it says that they're going to create a Chinese regional airline, vice subcontract for Shenzhen. It doesn't sound much different from any of Mesa's agreements with carriers on the US Mainland.

777fan


User currently offlineCRJ900 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5704 times:
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Mesa's homepage says that they expect to fly 20 x 50-seat jets by 2008, then growing to 100 jets with 50, 70 and 90 seats within five years.

Will the aircraft be CRJ or E-jets? Could this lead to a nice order boost for Bombardier and their 70-90-seaters?

On a side note, did Mesa actually order the E195 for Go! or was it just a rumour?


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

I don't see why this deal wouldn't go through, Mesa is thinking smart for once, yes I said it...please don't hate. With the recent "opening" of china, to the private aviation world and allowing US companies to come in, Mesa stands a chance to get in the door while the market is blazing! But this is a said day to see Mesa of all airlines spreading their evil world wide.

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5577 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 10):
Mesa stands a chance to get in the door while the market is blazing! But this is a said day to see Mesa of all airlines spreading their evil world wide.

What do you mean by evil? Do you know what you're talking about? On a related note does anybody know if the pilot/crew contract allows for the planes to be operated by non Mesa crews?


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
Will the aircraft be CRJ or E-jets? Could this lead to a nice order boost for Bombardier and their 70-90-seaters?

Maybe the "USx" CR9s will be heading to China.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 12):
What do you mean by evil? Do you know what you're talking about?

Yes I know what I'm talking about...Mesa the broken airplanes of the regional world. Or as many refer to them as the regional HOs. *personally edited for content* hehe. Mesa has spread their busted airplanes all across our country, now they're moving onto another.


User currently offlineStirling From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 7):
"Mesa Air Group Inc. -- parent of interisland carrier go! -- will become the first U.S. passenger airline to operate a joint venture to fly in mainland China.

And the re-writing of history continues.

Mesa IS NOT the first airline to operate flights within mainland China.

That distinction belongs to Pan American Airways.

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/Pan%20Am%20Compressed/PAmap%20COMPOSITE4812.jpg


User currently offlinePe@rson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

There was an article in yesterday's The Straits Times here in Singapore concerning how the Chinese are fed up of having poor food, poor IFE, surly cabin crew, etc. Could Mesa begin a new trend?  Wink

User currently offline777ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5422 times:
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Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
did Mesa actually order the E195 for Go! or was it just a rumour?

I havn't read any orders, so no

If MESA have found a market in China then I say way to go and give it a go


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

If they are going for brand new airplanes I would suggest them using the ERJ-145 since Embraer just happens have a plant over there. I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots were US Ex Pats, tax free pay and probably at their current US contract.

User currently offlineCRJ900X From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

I would assume that Mesa would add CRJ-200's considering their is close to 100 of them in storage. They could probably arrange pretty attractive leasing rates for the aircraft.

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

China is on it's way to being the biggest aviation market in a few years, possibly one day bigger than the US market. It is smart for companies to get a foothold in the market now. Compare the population of the US and China. 1.3Billion people in China. only 295million in the US. Thats over 4x more in China tha the US. People in China are getting richer and the entire economy is growing very fast. Even if the Chinese aviation market turns out to be 4 times smaller per capita than the US one, it still means it will grow to match it, and although I do not have the figures, the current fleet of all the Chinese airlines combined is probably only the size of a single US major. There is HUGE potential for growth. What I do not understand is why the sceptics are being..well, sceptical!

User currently offlineGigneil From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

I don't think they're skeptical so much of US investment in Chinese aviation so much as they are skeptical of Mesa.

I mean, Mesa is operationally one of the worst airlines of US registry. Its difficult to swallow their growth pattern without any investment in reliability.

NS


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