Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2622 times:
After being at Auckland Airport today and seeing check in counters for EVA's AKL-TPE flight quite literally over-loaded, it got me thinking how they are actually doing in NZ and Australia.
After NZ pulling out of TPE earlier this year, have BR found that there is more money to be made from AKL-TPE than NZ let on to be? What are load factors like on the flight? On this forum, I re-call hearing numerous a.net members earlier on in the year saying that yields were shocking. However, if they are that bad, why do BR stay?
Also in Australia, why was BNE retained and SYD dropped this year? Is there really a big BNE market or is it just because China Airlines proved to much competition at SYD?
Brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1556 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
BR stays because it's a successful, although very seasonal route, since there are an awful lot of Taiwanese students living in NZ, and the "student traffic" (both students and parents) is pretty constant.
I also think that the cargo on that route is very profitable -- a lot of NZ produce is imported to Taiwan, and all those students want to have their Taiwanese snacks ... so there's a lot of return cargo.
Similar for BNE -- large Taiwanese population and I suspect good cargo yields.
Taiwanese also tend to be very patriotic and have a preference for flying local carriers (this is a generalization, I know, but it's what I've observed here).
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2425 times:
I agree that cargo must be the only thing keeping BR in New Zealand. They offer some really good deals here in New Zealand. Sometimes they offer between $1600 and $1800 deals AKL-Europe! That's insane!
DJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2326 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Thread starter): Also in Australia, why was BNE retained and SYD dropped this year? Is there really a big BNE market or is it just because China Airlines proved to much competition at SYD?
Both Eva Air and China Airlines do fly into BNE, but typically do not fly into BNE on the same days as each other. Eva uses an A332 and China Airlines an A343. But remember that QF has a codeshare on the BR flight so that will help them. And if BR can be competitive with their fares to Europe and North America, why not fly on them.
Not sure about the competition at SYD, but there may not have been enough market there for the 2 carriers to TPE.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5168 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 3): Eva uses an A332 and China Airlines an A343
CI as of January 3rd will be using the A333 to BNE and SYD.
Quoting DJ748 (Reply 3): But remember that QF has a codeshare on the BR flight so that will help them.
Yes it will, they had a codeshare with NZ for years aswell but NZ ended up dropping TPE and the codeshare with BR. At one stage both BR and CI flew to AKL, CI only lasted 18 months in 2000/01 with a MD11then a 343 both via SYD loads were the main reason for pulling out.