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CO Secretly Re-starts Tucson-Newark  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Looks like Continental has re-started Newark-Tucson service. The service began again 16 December 2006.

http://www.azbiz.com/articles/2006/12/22/news/news02.txt


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

I am surprised by the very negative tone of that article, almost as if they don't want the service.

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5595 times:
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I think one of the big issues is the fact that this route seems to come and go like the wind.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
I am surprised by the very negative tone of that article, almost as if they don't want the service.

Agreed.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
am surprised by the very negative tone of that article, almost as if they don't want the service.

It seems to me important to advertize service from Tucson. What is the purpose of service when few know of it? Jet Blue made their presence know.
It CO wants success then they must persue it.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
I am surprised by the very negative tone of that article, almost as if they don't want the service.

And it is pretty clear why. New York City-Tucson isn't a market crying out for two airlines. Two daily flights on two airlines can be considered overkill, and people are worried that everyone will fly Continental and ignore jetBlue. If that happens, jetBlue pulls out, and then Continental goes "oh, well jetBlue is gone, we don't need to fly the route anymore" and then Tucson is back where they started: no service to New York City.



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User currently offlineORDflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

It think the writer of the article quite frankly does not want the Continental service - primarily because they have a perception that the new service is designed not as an additional route in the Continental system, but as a way to drive JetBlue out. The result would potentially be higher fares, or a loss of passengers to Phoenix.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5483 times:

The timing of the flights is odd also, doesn't connect with any overseas flights. Seriously doubt that this service will harm Jetblue in Tucson.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
The timing of the flights is odd also, doesn't connect with any overseas flights. Seriously doubt that this service will harm Jetblue in Tucson.

The timing is awesome for O&D passenger, much better than jetBlue's redeye schedule. However, the CO flight switches to a redeye in February.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
I think one of the big issues is the fact that this route seems to come and go like the wind.

It's a seasonal route, sure, but it's been run each of the past several years, at a minimum.

Steve


User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 5218 times:

While I understand the author's apprehension over losing B6, another nonstop from TUS to NYC is quite welcome, especially from such an excellent airline as CO. Red-eyes are an essential flight segment for obvious logistical reasons, but timing-wise they work well for many, myself included. Despite the naysayers on this board, red-eyes were integral to B6's success on the west coast, proving that it can be done profitably. Come to think of it, I have seen plenty of business travelers on redeyes as well. And next to B6, CO is the best airline for redeyes anyways... especially if you can score an EUA  Smile

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 9):
It's a seasonal route, sure, but it's been run each of the past several years, at a minimum.

It was upgraded to year round in 2005, and then discontinued permanently. It is pretty safe to say jetBlue's entry is why CO is back, even though they would never admit it.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

I didn't see it in the article, what is the equipment? I would think it would be something like a 737


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 12):
didn't see it in the article, what is the equipment? I would think it would be something like a 737

Indeed, a 737-700 to be specific.

Flight: CO1455
Aircraft: Boeing 737-700

Alex



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13645 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
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CO Secretly Re-starts Tucson-Newark

How do you "secretly" resume service on a route, exactly?  Wink



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User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Except that after March 2 it switches to a 735-- too long a flight in one of those, even in F. Must be at the outside of its range too, no?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 15):
too long a flight in one of those, even in F

F on a 735 is no different than F in a 73G/738/739. The seats may be a little older but the pitch is comparable. You just don't have the IFE.


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 15):
Must be at the outside of its range too, no?

Something tells me the route planning people at CO know how far a 735 can go....



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User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

The F seats on the 735 are 1" closer together, no IFE for a 4-5 hour flight, and only two rows making it harder to upgrade. With a row less F than the 733, I think most CO FF's would agree it's at the bottom of the mainline food chain-- using it for TUS does not pay the market any compliments. Then again the 733 and 735 are all the mainline they get. And I did not say it was outside the 735 range, rather I asked if it was toward the outer limits-- is it? Are there any longer markets served by CO with a 735?

User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

CO has now made ABQ-EWR year-round also. Does anyone know why B6 chose to start service to TUS instead of ABQ, especially since they already served nearby PHX? A few months ago, someone on here said that the ABQ-NYC route has 40,000 more passengers per year than TUS-NYC.


The reason New Mexico is so windy is because Texas sucks and Arizona blows.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 18):
using it for TUS does not pay the market any compliments

No, but this business isn't about giving cities any compliments, as you well know. Hey, some nonstop service is better than no nonstop service.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 19):
CO has now made ABQ-EWR year-round also

How long has this been year round? I dont think too long.
How is the flight doing year round, does anybody know?

Another factor that could be at play here is the new UA IAD-TUS flight. Is there any chance that UA might have been picking off some connecting pax, from the NE who otherwise would have connected at EWR? Just a thought worth mentioning.


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 21):
How long has this been year round? I dont think too long.
How is the flight doing year round, does anybody know?

CO restarted the service within the last week or two. I was looking through their online timetable, and the flights are scheduled daily until November 2007, which is the end of their booking schedule. The loads on upcoming flights look good.



The reason New Mexico is so windy is because Texas sucks and Arizona blows.
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

As far as CO and pr, I know they do a lot of Holiday (temp) service (e.g., SAN-CLE) that is never announced anywhere; this seems weird to me but apparently they have enough group/cruise business (or something) that doesn't rely on public announcements to put pax on board.

Also, sometimes I think airlines come under some kind of pressure to start flights (by politicians, city government, C.o.C.s, airports, ??) and they do, but with the assumption (and hope) the new flight will fail; not announcing or advertising will certainly hasten that failure. Then the airline can go to the pressuring entity and say, "Hey, we tried, but there were no pax."

I don't know if either of these scenarios is applicable here but who knows?

Happy Holidays to All.

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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

I don't get the title of this threat. Secretly starting service?

It's in every CRS there is. How do you get "secretly" out of that?



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25 CODC10 : Actually, it wasn't me who said that but the mistake you made is an easy one, so no big deal. Roughly three times a year I travel to Tucson from New
26 MAH4546 : Continental announced year-round EWR-TUS service in 2005, and canned it a few months later. Possibly, but CO announced it was permanently ending the
27 DesertAir : I would agree that the tone of the article in azbiz is negative towards CO. As many have mentioned CO's history with the EWR flight is checkered-on ag
28 STT757 : CO is adding winglets to some of their 737-500s, that would help on flights like EWR-TUS.
29 JetJock22 : We aren't leaving Tucson. Trust me.
30 MAH4546 : If Continental's Newark flight were to succed in stealing enough jetBlue customers, jetBlue is leaving Tucson.
31 Post contains images B737900er : This was right before oil prices went through the roof. EWR-ABQ is back also due to this. EWR-TUS is winglet related They not leaving RIC either When
32 Cedarjet : The guy who wrote the article is obviously jealous of Phoenix. Ha ha. And I think he's dead right about Continental's intentions. Get rid of jetBlue t
33 JetJock22 : Got the #'s to prove it?
34 CODC10 : I don't know what B6's breakeven load factor on the 320 is, but if Continental sells out a 737-500 with 114 (8/106), that's still 36 fewer seats than
35 SANFan : As long as JetBlue hangs in there for a while, I think the flight will do fine. In my opinion, TUS suffers a great deal with what I call the alternate
36 Dutchjet : I liked the title of this thread.......CO's little secret: TUS-EWR! CO has had issues with its service to Tuscon and ABQ out of EWR....on again, off a
37 Flyboyaz : This flight has been seasonal for years and years....they did bring it back permanently a couple years ago..with much fan-fare, but pulled it after lo
38 Post contains images Azstagecoach : Are they adding another row of F to the 735? Also the winglets explain why there were so many funny looking 73G's at DCA the other day...
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