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Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Hi All,

I am trying to figure out if Northwest Orient flew from Chicago to New York City in 1985?

I know if they did, it was seasonal.

Does anyone have old timetables that could check for me?

Thanks,

TWA1985

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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

According to the following NW timetables:

April 28, 1985
June 6, 1985
October 27, 1985
September 3, 1985
December 18, 1985

There was NO nonstop Chicago-NYC/Newark service on NW.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

There was to BOS but I cannot find Chicago-NYC NS either.
safe



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User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3689 times:
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Quoting N702ML (Reply 1):
According to the following NW timetables:

April 28, 1985
June 6, 1985
October 27, 1985
September 3, 1985
December 18, 1985

What a/c type was operated?

Merry Christmas  santahat 

Russell



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I did flew it once not sure if it was 1985. TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. W


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2875 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

I think it was gone by 1985 but I don't have resources with me.

Before JFK-NRT nonstop, the put New York on the end of their ORD-NRT flights. For years it went JFK-IAD-ORD-NRT and on the return NRT-ORD-JFK. Never understood why the IAD stop one direction but not the other. But if I recall correcly by 1985 they did JFK-NRT nonstop and so no ORD stop anymore.


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 5):
I did flew it once not sure if it was 1985. TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. W

In the April 24th 1983 timetable Northwest shows that exact route. Flight#4 flew TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. Depart ORD 3:20pm Arrive JFK 6:20pm


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 3):
What a/c type was operated?

Would have been a 727-200.



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

How about the first several months of 1985 - From January through the end of April?

Anyone have that timetable?

Becuase my Grandpa swears he flew ORD-JFK on Northwest Orient. He thought is was sometime around Easter (Early April).

Thanks,

TWA1985


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Your Grampa is "THE MAN".

OAG April 1985 shows NW118, a 747 from ORD to JFK
LV ORD at 3 40pm
AR JFK at 6 40pm
Heres the kicker.......the flight ops on Tuesday only..
Sorry I did not discover that sooner, but "thart'tis!"

A NW April 1984 show it as Flight 4 with the same times only daily.
safe

[Edited 2006-12-24 02:17:00]


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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Wow, a 747 between ORD and NYC!

What other cities did NW serve from ORD? Any more Widebodies?

TWA1985


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 11):
What other cities did NW serve from ORD?

All listed are nonstops in the April 1985 OAG
FROM ORD TO...........(and,no DC 9's yet).

BOS two trips, one a DC 10
DTW three trips
MSP eleven trips, one 747 and one DC10
RST one
MSN two
MKE two
JFK one 747 Tuesdays only
MIA three
TPA two
FLL one
SEA one DC10
DCA one
and I believe a 747 to Tokyo but the OAG is domestic only.
safe



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Cool! Did NW also serve MSY? My grandpa lived in Milwaukee and remembered NW serving ORD and also maybe MSY from ORD.

TWA1985

[Edited 2006-12-24 03:00:45]

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

But, now that I think about it.. Didn't NW pull out of MSY sometime in 1985? So maybe they did not fly to ORD from there.

TWA1985


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 13):
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They were a strong boarding carrier at MKE with NC then Republic. The were either number one or two there.
The service to MSY was light in 1985 but improved after the merger with Republic in 1986.
safe



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

My Grandpa is sitting with me now and is wondering if they still served BIL at that time? He flew the route quite often in the early and mid-80's but is unsure when NW suspended the service.

TWA1985


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 16):

They served BIL and other Montana stations from SEA and MSP. From ORD, you usually stopped at MSP first. NW did not pull out of BIL. It may have been NW people at BIL now staffed with the subs. Montana stations are money makers for NW in the summer. A January2007 peak at NW schedules between MSP and BIL shows A319 and A320's on the route.
safe



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Are you sure NW did not fly ORD-BIL? My grandpa recalls flying the route a lot. He also is thinking that they served CLE from ORD at some point. Can anyone confirm or deny these?

TWA1985


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

In the April 24th 1983 timetable Northwest flew ORD-Billings twice a day.One 1-stop and 1 non-stop.Flight 105 was a one-stop that left at 7am. Flight 71 was a non-stop that left at 2:10 pm. Cleveland was served 3 times daily.Fights 292,352,and flight 76.Flight times were 7am,3:30pm, and 6:55pm

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Northwest Orient had many a P2P route in the Great Lakes Region stretching from MSP to the East Coast.
To gain a better understanding of this, one must go back in time before deregulation.
Here's some of the NWo major stations and their destinations served:
(a widebody in parentheses indicates at least one of the flights was operated by the indicated type)

BOSTON: MKE(D10)/MSP

CHICAGO: ANC(747)/ATL(D10/BIL(D10)/CLE(D10)/DTW(D10)/MSN/MSP(747-D10)/MSY/JFK(747)/RST/SEA(D10)/GEG/NRT/YWG

CLEVELAND: ORD(D10)MSP/PHL/PIT/DCA

DETROIT: ORD(D10)MKE/MSP/(747-D10)/EWR(D10)/JFK(747)/PHL(D10)/PIT/DCA

MADISON: ORD/MKE/RST

MILWAUKEE: BOS/DTW/MSN/MSP(D10)/LGA/PHL/TPA/DCA

MINNEAPOLIS: ANC(D10)/ATL/BIL/BIS/BOS(D10)/ORD(747-D10)/CLE/DTW(747-D10)/YEG/FAR/GFK/LAX(747-D10)/MKE(D10)/LGA/PHL(D10)/RST/SFO(D10)/GEG(D10)/TPA/DCA/YWG(D10)

NEW YORK(JFK): DTW(747)/SEA(747)/IAD(747)
NEW YORK(LGA):MKE/MSP
NEWARK: DTW(747-D10)/PHL

PHILADELPHIA: DTW(D10)/MSP(D10)/EWR(D10)

PITTSBURGH: CLE/DTW/DCA

ROCHESTER(MN): ORD/MSN/MSP


fyi: The widebody flights between Chicago and Minneapolis were retarded, 7 DC10s a day Eastbound, 8 a day Westbound, for a total of 15 flights between the two!

Between Detroit and Minneapolis?
2 each DC10 and 747 Westbound and Eastbound for 4 each per day, 8 total.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
They served BIL and other Montana stations from SEA and MSP. From ORD, you usually stopped at MSP first.

They did have the unusual coast-to-coast DC10 flight that transited BIL via GTF and ORD. The flight was NW71/72, a Daily no less.

Oh, and yes, New Orleans in the beginning of service to the city was via ORD, and not MSP. 727.

I have no empirical evidence to back this up, but in the old days, Northwest Orient to me seemed like they had the most widebody flights as a percentage of the overall total of operations. Some U.S. airlines may have had larger widebody fleets, (PA exclusive), but NW flew them more places, more often....I mean heck y'all, BILLINGS and GREAT FALLS Montana!? WTF?!



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

So you mean to tell me that NW served MSY only from ORD and not MSP?

When did NW start serving MSY from MSP and discontinue the ORD service?

TWA1985


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

It was after 1983. Northwest flew 2 flights a day between MSP-MSY and both stopped at ORD. Flights 180 and 182. Flight 182 was EX Sat.

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

I just got an email from a person I met at an airline collectibles show in Chicago. He has thousands of timetables.

Here is the service he showed from ORD in 1985:


December 18, 1985:

BIL - 1x N/S (727)
BOS - 2x N/S (727/D10)
CLE - 3x N/S (727)
DCA - 1x N/S (727)
DTW - 3x N/S (727)
FLL - 1x N/S (727)
MIA - 2x N/S (727/DC-10)
MKE - 3x N/S (727)
MSN - 2x N/S (727)
MSP - 10x N/S (6 - 727, 1 - 747, 2 - D10 and 1 -757)
MCO - 1x N/S (727)
NRT - 1x N/S (747)
RST - 1x N/S (727)
RSW - 1x n/s (727)
SEA - 1x N/S (D10)
TPA - 2x N/S (727)


Here are some additional cities served from ORD (12/19/84 to 04/27/85):

MSY - 2x N/S (727) Discontinued after 04/27/85
JFK - Tues N/S (747) Discontinued after 04/27/85

Seasonal:

ICN - 1X N/S (747)
NRT - 1X N/S (747)

This is great info... it answered a lot of my questions. I hope you all find some interest in it.

He also mentioned that they served meals on some short flights, but did not elaborate. I emailed him to get more details.

TWA1985


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Here's 1983 Non-stops and meal service Form ORD

BIL-Flight#71,727 Snack
BOS- Flights 34,458,727's Regal Imperial,Meal
CLE-Flights 292,352 and 76,727's, #292 Meal
DTW- Flight 362,727
MSN-Flights 287,751,727's
MIA-Flights 700,716,727's,Regal Imperial
MSP-Flights 105,403,701,125,183,447,719,707,449,185,727's/DC-10's,M+S
MSY-Flights 180,182,727's,M+S
JFK-Flight 4,747,M
ROC-Flight 341,727
SEA-Flight 735,727,M
Seoul-Flight 5,747,Regal Imperial
TPA-Flights,750,72,727's,Regal Imperial,M
DCA-Flights 392,396,727's,M+S
NRT-Flight 3,747,Regal Imperial


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Wow! So they had Regal Imperial Service on Domestic Flights!

That's awesome! When did that end?


25 Tjwgrr : UAL also operated the 747 between ORD and EWR for a period of time- mid to late 80's if I recall correctly.....
26 Isitsafenow : Lets go a notch better.... Pan Am had a 747 between ORD and DTW in Aug and Sept of 85. Flight 54 eastbound and flight 55 westb. Aug 1985 OAG shows UA
27 Cadet57 : What is Regal Imperial? Is that like first class?
28 Dtw9 : This is how Northwest describes it in their timetable, (Northwests most elegant inflight service featuring our finest cuisine.)
29 MSYtristar : Speaking of old NW stuff, when did they fly 757's into MSY? I remember pretty frequently as a kid seeing NW Orient 757's here...I'm guessing from MEM
30 USPIT10L : Yeah, I noticed how P2P NW was too. The original NW Orient station in PIT closed in 1983, then RC started here in 1985, so really we're a Republic st
31 MSYtristar : I'm not positive that they were not ex-RC aircraft...they could have been. I used to see them on a nearly daily basis, though.
32 Charlienorth : NWA had at least 25 757's at the time of the RC merger,RC only brought about 6 to the party.
33 Stirling : I'll see that and raise you a aileron. Widebodies from Chicago: [1974]: 747 DL001 to Miami/Royal Service[1st]Brunch[Y] 747 DL009 to Miami/Lunch[all]
34 Tango-Bravo : And, in fact, NW's non-stop ORD-BIL service (once daily each way) continued at least through their timetable effective April 27, 1986; other than the
35 Isitsafenow : Well, you're close. They had 17 delivered before Oct 1st, 1986...merger day. N519US was delivered 10-6-86. There was no N510..that number was skipped
36 777FlyGuy : Not sure about in the 80's, but I know in the 70's they had a daily D10 n/s on the route. I also recall D10's to ATL, FLL, MIA, TPA. I know MSY's fir
37 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : Wow! Thx for the info Those WERE the good old days indeed! Merry Christmas Russell
38 Stirling :
39 WA707atMSP : NW began service to MSY in the summer of 1977, with 3x day 727s from ORD. MSY-ORD was a DL monopoly for many years. In 1969, EA was awarded the right
40 TWA1985 : So, how long did NW operate the ORD-MSY route? And also, when did Delta lose the monopoly on the route and stop serving it? That also makes me wonder,
41 Dtw9 : Delta Non-stop service out of ORD in 1983 included, Atlanta Cincinnati Dallas FT Lauderdale Houston Lexington Louisville Memphis Miami Nashville New
42 USPIT10L : From departedflights.com, service to ORD in July 1983 on Delta Air Lines with cities, frequency and equipment: ATL (9x daily D8S,72S,L10) CVG (5x dai
43 Dtw9 : By 1985 Delta flew these routes out of ORD Atlanta-8 Non-stops Boston-5 Non-stops Cincinnati-4 Non-stops Dallas-5 Non-stops Ft Lauderdale-2 Non-stops
44 Post contains links Jetdeltamsy : They didn't fly it in 1983. Don't know if that lends to the answer or not. http://www.departedflights.com/ORDintro2.html
45 Stirling : The flights listed by my two friends are the tip of the post-deregulation iceberg. Remember, Delta, is an airline made of a few rather significant me
46 Isitsafenow : Yep...don't forget the NW minihub in TPA? safe
47 GeorgiaAME : Actually, I flew NW Orient Newark to Midway, DC-6, in June, 1961. Nice plane. I became an instant snob, and was less than happy having to transfer to
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