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EK Chairman We Will Buy 100 Aircraft  
User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12558 times:

Emirates Chairman Shk. Ahmad bin Saeed, said that they are waiting for an answer from Airbus & Boeing on their request to re-design their new aircrafts.

He also said we will take money from Airbus due to the A380 delay, "we forced Airbus to accept our auditors, they will give us the delivery time not Airbus" Shk. Ahmad said.

"Our decision in not joining any alliance 10 years ago was right, because being in an alliance will not give us the chance to expand as we are currently"

The last question was about if EK will allow smoking in their flights, he said never.

The interview in Arabic
http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satell...ame=Albayan%2FArticle%2FFullDetail

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

"Re-design their new crafts?" What? We know about this A350, but what exactly does he have in mind about the Boeing offerings?


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

They want Boeing to re-design the 747-8I and 787-10, I guess.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12305 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
"Our decision in not joining any alliance 10 years ago was right, because being in an alliance will not give us the chance to expand as we are currently"

Yeah, why cooperate when you can divide and conquer on your own? EK is nothing new, this is just the WN strategy with a UAE-remix.

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
The last question was about if EK will allow smoking in their flights, he said never.



Terrible habit that is incredibly rude to practice in a confined space with already poor air quality.

On that one.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
"Re-design their new crafts?" What? We know about this A350, but what exactly does he have in mind about the Boeing offerings?

I suspect EK is waiting for Boeing and/or Airbus to increase the payload and range capabilities before committing to either the A350-900 or 787-10. Ditto for the 747-8I: EK wants range, but LH was willing to put down money for seats. History has shown that Boeing can squeek out range, so we may yet see EK interested in the 747-8I as presently sized.

Interestingly enough, EK has just about pushed both Airbus and Boeing into early replacement of an entire generation of aircraft. It's clear that Boeing has now moved past their hesitation to push the 777-200/ER aside with the 787-10.

I think we will see EK make their move sooner than later, perhaps before June/July 2007. They do love air show announcements.

[Edited 2006-12-25 08:08:39]

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10625 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I think we will see EK make their move sooner than later, perhaps before June/July 2007. They do love air show announcements.

Agreed. They need to gets delievery slots for the aircraft they're ordering.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I think we will see EK make their move sooner than later, perhaps before June/July 2007. They do love air show announcements.

There is nothing keeping EK from ordering now and embargoing the announcment until the airshow.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
EK has just about pushed both Airbus and Boeing into early replacement of an entire generation of aircraft. It's clear that Boeing has now moved past their hesitation to push the 777-200/ER aside with the 787-10.

It will be interesting to see whether or not EK can push Boeing into offering a B787-11 someday.


User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10512 times:

With an order for 100 aircraft, would EK split a purchase for both the Boeing 787 and the Airbus A350?

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
I suspect EK is waiting for Boeing and/or Airbus to increase the payload and range capabilities before committing to either the A350-900 or 787-10. Ditto for the 747-8I: EK wants range, but LH was willing to put down money for seats. History has shown that Boeing can squeek out range, so we may yet see EK interested in the 747-8I as presently sized.

I'm not sure what they want from the A350-900 in terms of payload/range if Airbus's specifications are accurate.

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 6):
With an order for 100 aircraft, would EK split a purchase for both the Boeing 787 and the Airbus A350?

I think this is a strong possibility.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There is nothing keeping EK from ordering now and embargoing the announcment until the airshow.

Maybe they are waiting to see results from the 787 test program. Why make a decision for an aircraft that won't be available until 2013, 6 years in advance, when one is close to gaining additional data to evaluate one of the potential choices.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 6):
With an order for 100 aircraft, would EK split a purchase for both the Boeing 787 and the Airbus A350?

It's a possibility.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 7):
Maybe they are waiting to see results from the 787 test program. Why make a decision for an aircraft that won't be available until 2013, 6 years in advance, when one is close to gaining additional data to evaluate one of the potential choices.

The way slots are going, waiting six months means taking delivery a year later.


User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
"Our decision in not joining any alliance 10 years ago was right, because being in an alliance will not give us the chance to expand as we are currently"

2nd that !!


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
The way slots are going, waiting six months means taking delivery a year later.

I doubt that slots in 2013 time frame are going all that quickly. Boeing has been able to sell 4 years of production out.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10075 times:

I still think a joint 747-8I (pax) and 787-10 order is a strong possibility, but EK seems to be moving the goalposts constantly. I think an A350-1000 launch order is likely, IF Emirates goes for the A350, but of course, the big concern for EK is whether Airbus will be able to deliver the goods.

Another question: any more on the proposal to acquire newer A330s to replace older ones in the fleet and might these be A330-343Es, rather than -243s?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
I doubt that slots in 2013 time frame are going all that quickly.

Actually, the 2013 slots are going quickly. Many of the 2014 slots are already gone.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Can we expect a decision at the Paris Air Show in June ?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9490 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Can we expect a decision at the Paris Air Show in June ?

If I had to guess, I would say the decision will be made earlier, but the announcement might be held until the airshow. Note that EK plan to take delivery of many new airliners (not yet on order) before the A350 or B787 would be available. The B777-300ER and B747-8I SuperJumbo seem to be the most likely choices.


User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

To be honest i think he is a little full of himself, besides all this waiting is goin to hurt them more than it will hurt both manufaturers. For every day the board and himself wait, every time slot will be takin and they are screwed


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8844 times:

Quoting CO738 (Reply 15):
To be honest i think he is a little full of himself, besides all this waiting is goin to hurt them more than it will hurt both manufaturers. For every day the board and himself wait, every time slot will be takin and they are screwed

I don't think EK would ever be "screwed"; an airline that has consistently been the highest spending of all airlines since 2001 is not going to be screwed by either manufacturer. In any case, the aircraft which EK wants - the 787-10 or A350 won't be entering service until around 2012/13 (787) or 2014; if EK decides on the 787-10, Boeing will bend over backwards and the delivery dates will figure in those negotiations; with around seven years to go, Boeing has plenty of time to ramp up production and in any case, the 767 production will have long since ceased and the arrival of the 787-10 will probably see 777 production slowing down, so Boeing will probably have the capacity to increase production.

It's the smaller airlines that dither which concern me. I wouldn't lose any sleep over EK, because the prospect of a $10bn order can certainly bend a few ears!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

First its 50 midsize aircraft in the 787/A350 category, now its 100 new aircraft which I assume is in addition to EK's exisitng A380 order, 748F order and 773ER order.....its all a bit overwhelming, even if EK plans to replace its current A332s/A343s and 772A fleet with new airplanes. You can be certain that Boeing and Airbus are listening........the question is when will EK make its move?

The use of the word ""redesign"" is probably not a totally accurate translation....EK is likely waiting to get details/dates on variants of the A350XWB family from Airbus and to get details/time frame on the 787-10 from Boeing. In either case, EK will be a launch customer. It will be interesting to see if a 748I order is included in the mix: EK was more interested in the shorter version of the 748I which has a bit more range that the proposal launched by LH (with more seats and the same fuselage length as the 748F).....although there are some reports saying that Boeing would not have a huge problem offering the 748I in both fuselage lengths.

With EK cancelling its A346 commitments (or whatever exactly is going on there....but the result is that EK will not be taking delivery of 20 A346s) and the delays in the A380 program and this long drawn-out drama concerning EK's decision between the 787 and A350, EK must be falling behind on its huge expansion plans. Time is becoming of the essence.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

I know this has been brought up before but IF they ordered enough, would boeing sell them the original 747adv as a -700? Or could boeing be working to get more range out out the now almost locked model?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8514 times:
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Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
I know this has been brought up before but IF they ordered enough, would boeing sell them the original 747adv as a -700? Or could Boeing be working to get more range out out the now almost locked model?

I guess it depends on how hard it is to add another 300-500nm worth of fuel tankage to the current 747-8I. EK seems to favor "high density" configs for their long-haul craft, so I imagine they honestly prefer the current "stretch" 748I, but want some extra range on top of that to allow them to use it on whatever long-haul missions they want.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

I don't know; they have not ruled out building both models (and EK is apparently not the only one interested), BUT in the entire scheme of things, the nomenclature is down the list! Once they decide to build both, they can work out how to address that.

I'd say that they would probably call it the -800LR, rather than the -700, but your guess is as good as mine!


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
I know this has been brought up before but IF they ordered enough, would boeing sell them the original 747adv as a -700?

Unless EK want to buy 100 of them, they won't get a really big discount on a custom length. It's all about price. For full list, Boeing would probably make as few as 5.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
Or could boeing be working to get more range out out the now almost locked model?

They always do.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
would boeing sell them the original 747adv as a -700?

Reports are that Boeing would and could......the differences between the shorter and longer 748I proposals are basically limited to one fuselage plug. Would the shorter version be called the 747-700 and the larger the 747-800I....thats not yet clear.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 18):
Or could boeing be working to get more range out out the now almost locked model?

Anything is possible and Boeing does seem to have the ability to squeeze extra range out of its airplanes, but EK seemed pretty focused on the shorter 748I.......it was good trade-off between seats and range for EK's needs as well as being a good airplane to split the difference between the 773s and A380s. If any of this happens and EK really wants 748Is, my bet is that Boeing will build the shorter variant for EK.


User currently offlineTayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17):
With EK cancelling its A346 commitments (or whatever exactly is going on there....but the result is that EK will not be taking delivery of 20 A346s) and the delays in the A380 program and this long drawn-out drama concerning EK's decision between the 787 and A350, EK must be falling behind on its huge expansion plans. Time is becoming of the essence.

couldn't agree more, and strategically speaking the external factors affecting EK seem to be getting worse everyday.
1)Iran.
2)Falling $, the UAE dirham is locked to the $ causing wage inflation apart from lowering yield.
3)Increasing competition on the milk runs, especially Indian subcontinent not to mention QR & EY.

IMO a strong message of support in favour of EK's growth story would have been placing a large order of A332s as interim lift for the compensation amount. Encashment is evidence of more difficult underlying circumstances, the cash will help tide over these diff days. Though it will be nice to know the value of todays $ corrected to 2001 the year of the orders, what i am looking for, is the compensation amount $ if encashed today will be far less than what was payed in 2001 ? If u know what i mean.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Quoting Tayaramecanici (Reply 23):
1)Iran.

What threat does/would Iran cause?

Quoting Tayaramecanici (Reply 23):
2)Falling $, the UAE dirham is locked to the $ causing wage inflation apart from lowering yield.

Wage inflation hasn't been too much of a problem in the Emirates...

Quoting Tayaramecanici (Reply 23):
3)Increasing competition on the milk runs, especially Indian subcontinent not to mention QR & EY.

Growth rates are still increasing, so even with QR and EY competing on the "milk runs", EK is not having a problem with pax/cargo..

EK's more important routes are Australia and the United Kingdom..not the Indian/Pakistan subcontinent..those are lower yielding flights...

Quoting Tayaramecanici (Reply 23):
IMO a strong message of support in favour of EK's growth story would have been placing a large order of A332s as interim lift for the compensation amount. Encashment is evidence of more difficult underlying circumstances, the cash will help tide over these diff days. Though it will be nice to know the value of todays $ corrected to 2001 the year of the orders, what i am looking for, is the compensation amount $ if encashed today will be far less than what was payed in 2001 ? If u know what i mean.

Given the whole A380 imbroglio, if EK wanted to cancel their planes, I'm sure they could have. Also, EK isn't receiving all their A380's at one time. Who's to say the won't lease some of them out?



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25 Post contains images CO738 : If i would have known this i would have went out to the toy store and bought 100 new matchbox airplanes put the EK logo on them and sent them to EK fo
26 2wingtips : I think it's pretty much 100 aircraft in the 787/350 category. What was going to be a 50+50 order/option strategy likely from one OEM, now looks like
27 USAirPlatinum : What's this nonsense about "alliances would prevent us from expanding flying?" Are BA and AA constraining international growth? Has Delta stopped flyi
28 777ER : Exactly what alliance members fly on routes that EK operate from DXB? Being in an Alliance certainly helps with your routes. For instance NZ flying d
29 UAEflyer : If you know the Emirates story it is normal to be shocked with all of this expansions. But in today's world nothing impossible, they are doing fine an
30 Ken777 : If EK is looking at the 748i to have an additional 300-500 nm it might be in their interests to see how the current 748i range would be extended if E
31 Tayaramecanici : Increase in insurance premiums, besides the stories in local gulf dailies talking to collegues here in U.K. people are expressing fears of travelling
32 Stitch : Trick is that would raise the CASM and that might sour EK on the economics of the deal. Now, if EK wanted to put an A345-style cabin into the plane a
33 Zvezda : If someone decides to use the B747-8I SuperJumbo to compete directly against the WhaleJet on the same route, then the former will have lower CASM (du
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Growth rates are rising..and after New York, Dubai has the 2nd most pax flown to London...which took me by surprise...indication that the market migh
35 Tayaramecanici : Figures can be skewed to the benefit of a particular entity. IMO london should always be limited to LHR not include LGW, STN & LTN, additionally ex-L
36 PlaneHunter : Hopefully EK will check a.net - maybe they will then actually do what you suggest and finally lower their fares for many Asian destinations from Germ
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I respectfully disagree there.....If there weren't 7-8 carriers on the New York-London route, carriers such as BA and AA would have a field day charg
38 777FlyGuy : Makes perfect sense. Sooner or later, there is going to be a capacity glut. Some analysts are saying it's already happening among middle east carrier
39 BigTom : Well it may be true on the UAE-Pak routes that EK is competitive, but it is definitely the price leader on India and Sri Lanka routes. They are the d
40 Jacobin777 : How much competition do they have right now on the DXB-India routes? I checked to how many Indian Carriers fly to DXB....neither IT, IC, SG, 9W, etc.
41 BigTom : Apart from EK and AI, IC, AIX, CX and BG (DXB-BOM) also fly directly from DXB-India routes and EY and Air Arabia fly out of Abu Dhabi and Sharjah. Ad
42 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Again, there is not competition on the various cities to DXB from most Indian carriers..of course EK can charge what they want. None of the carriers
43 Post contains links Tayaramecanici : Thanks for substantiating my statement. A visit to the EK website will clear all doubts. EK FRA - MAA (Friday in MAr'07) Price= 900euros. EK FRA - ME
44 ERAUgrad02 : If they had it their way. i bet they'd choose the shorter 747-adv which id say would have to be called the 747-7i and the 787-10.
45 Columba : If Boeing is willing to do launch this aircraft you maybe right but both aircraft are not even launched and of those two only the 787-10 seems likely
46 Post contains images Jacobin777 : "babey do nau mein pair maat rakh"...I liked that one.. ....array ji........when there is competion, there is low yields and when there isnt any comp
47 Tayaramecanici : R U Sure, the EK schedule shows this as FJY777. All the major metros in India are served by 3 Class B777 (DELx7,MAAx5 & BLRx3) or A332 (CCUx6, HYDx7,
48 PlaneHunter : Just half an hour ago I have searched for the cheapest available flights to different Asian and ME destinations on different websites (including EK a
49 Tayaramecanici : You are so predicatable PH, i knew you would quote these lines from the article however had you read the article closely you would have noticed this
50 PlaneHunter : So where does it say the government is not serious about Jebel Ali? That's they key project for EK's future expansion. Sorry to disappoint you, but I
51 Post contains links Tayaramecanici : http://archive.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10093144.html PH can you pls give me your honest views on this report. I've started another thread based
52 BigTom : The possibility of running four major hubs in the GCC region, as mentioned in the article, is far-fetched. IMO Dubai and probably Doha will probably e
53 Tayaramecanici : What about AUH with its ambitious plans and one of the most wealthy Sheikhdom ? DXB has shown that it wont hesitate to transfer the costs to the end
54 BigTom : TM you've made a couple of good points. As far as costs and incidentals go, they are rising across the board in DXB, AUD and DOH so they about cancel
55 Tayaramecanici : The imp fact you fail to note here is that in the case of DOH and AUH they have tremendous amount of natural resources to fund their expansion. The r
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