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ANA Launch "ana Business Jet" 737-700ER - 48 Seats  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 15119 times:

ANA has announced the launch of 737-700ER with infos unveiled on 25DEC06.



(photo: ANA)

ANA Group is entering the phase of "development business", with the launch of "ANA Business Jet". "ANA Business Jet" will be delivered in March 2007, enters service on 25MAR07, the new Nagoya-Guangzhou route.

The 737-700ER, will feature the long-haul business class, dubbed "Club ANA BJ", and the economy class will be identical to long-haul premium economy, dubbed "Economy BJ", 24 seats each in both class.


(photo: ANA)

The Nagoya-Guangzhou route will be ANA's 5th international route out of Nagoya, also means ANA will be flying 20 routes, 147 weekly flights to China.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 15070 times:

Interesting selection on its first route.
While I had initially suspected a longer route, this doesn't surprise. When the loads (pax & cargo) build-up, it might move up to a 763.

Also interesting that the economy section is 2-2 not 2-3 or 3-3.

In other news:
It appears the first A320 to be used outside of the Japan-Seoul route will be the daily NRT-TAO. NH will take delivery of an A320 in Jan 2007 and this aircraft will probably be outfitted in a new cabin layout and used on this route.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 15041 times:

38" pitch in Y with 2-2 configuration. Not bad.  Smile That's what the US majors call First Class.  Sad

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 14864 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
Also interesting that the economy section is 2-2 not 2-3 or 3-3.

Thats a first for a 737 economy section.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
That's what the US majors call First Class.

Amen to that one.

How much do tickets cost for this flight?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 14678 times:

I didn't expect this flight to be to CAN. I was expecting it to be to someplace like Tianjin or further west into China.

Right now NGO-CAN is served by CZ 2x week using a 757 and daily by JL using a 767. This certainly makes things interesting. The question is what will JL and CZ do to stand up to this new NH BJ.

NH BJ...not bad.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 14201 times:

They need a 73G ER for NGO/CAN? Seems like a waste. Maybe this is the route proving run and then they'll move it to something more fitting range-wise?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31391 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 14174 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
They need a 73G ER for NGO/CAN? Seems like a waste. Maybe this is the route proving run and then they'll move it to something more fitting range-wise?

Yeah seems like overkill, but maybe NGO-CAN has strong high-margin fares and NH is doing a "UA p.s."-type service to snag the full-fare Business and Economy pax?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 14120 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):

How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 14097 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

NRT-HNL is a low-yield market; sardine class is needed there. I have no idea about NGO-ANC, but I wouldn't expect a lot of demand.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 13924 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

Yikes...those are either rock bottom yield or close to zero demand. I would think something more like NRT/Middle East.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

You expect a Business Jet flying to destinations with no money to make?


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13511 times:

Clearly they bought the 73GER to fly longer routes than this. This is initial service, short range, to allow for reliability trials.

User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13445 times:

However, NGO-CAN seems like a business-heavy route that will match well with the product. Japan probably has a ton of similar markets all over Asia, perhaps Eastern Europe / Europe too. I would not expect it to go to the USA, but SJC could be a target...

The ultra-luxury 48 seater is a new concept, and it may have lots of applications...


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

How about a flight that connects the Boeing facility to the 787 parts companies in Japan? Not sure which airports that would be...


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31391 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13392 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
How about a flight that connects the Boeing facility to the 787 parts companies in Japan? Not sure which airports that would be...

NGO-SEA - "The Dreamliner Express".


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13328 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):

Why SEA? That was my question, do the local airfields that boeing and their partners use have FIS for G/A purposes?



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 13291 times:

Nagoya-Seattle not on the list.

India is next.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31391 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 12759 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Why SEA? That was my question, do the local airfields that boeing and their partners use have FIS for G/A purposes?

Well you could arguably fly the plane into BFI (I believe it has Customs & Immigrations facilities), but I am not sure PAE does. Also, Boeing and the local 787 suppliers are spread out around the area, so SEA would provide a common departure and arrival point.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
Nagoya-Seattle not on the list.

There were rumors of NH starting a SEA-NGO service, but honestly it's about as easy to fly SEA-NRT on UA then connecting to NH for NRT-NGO or doing SEA-SFO-NGO on UA,


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 12569 times:

When does the first one roll out? Is boeing gonna do a rollout ceremony for this model even tho this is essentially a BBJ1.


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
There were rumors of NH starting a SEA-NGO service, but honestly it's about as easy to fly SEA-NRT on UA then connecting to NH for NRT-NGO or doing SEA-SFO-NGO on UA,

SEA-NGO is not on the list of 737-700ER route as of this stage.


User currently offlineIdlewild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 12425 times:
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Can it do a Japan-eastern seaboard US route and make a profit? Would that even be in the cards?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 12368 times:

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
Can it do a Japan-eastern seaboard US route and make a profit? Would that even be in the cards?

Not enough range.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

ANA has stated that they plan to use this plane mostly in Asia and focused on specific China business routes. But I would not be surprised if they change this at some point. But I don't think we will see North America or Europe.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 11427 times:
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Interesting concept, The flight is about 4 hours to Guanzou. This looks great for something longer, like a ten hour flight. European cities like Prague or Vienna may work for a limited capacity plane like this. US west coast cities from secondary US Japanesse cities. Great looking concept, seen it on the Atlantic.

User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Gee i wish someone here in the states would try that. Of course it couldnt be to profitable. I had bought 6 rows of seats from their 767,s after they had sold it to a freight company,and they really were not bad to have around the house, good conversation piece, and great for the kids to play games on..xbox ,playstation..


i can see for 80 miles
25 MCOflyer : Agree with you on that one. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do FRA-NGO, PRG-NGO, or London-NGO. Dubai could also be on that list. MCOflyer
26 Jimyvr : Unless they orders more -700ER.
27 Post contains links Centrair : hmm.... LH currently operates FRA-NGO 6x week (A343). EK opperates daily DXB-NGO (A345) PRG....possibilities. But is there a lot of Japanese investme
28 MAH4546 : Frankfurt and Dubai already have widebody service to Nagoya, so no reason for the 73GER on those routes. Prague is too small, even for the 73GER. You
29 MCOflyer : Well, I'm just trying to guess what routes could warrant a luxary class 73GER flown by NH. MCOflyer
30 Aussie_ : How about a little out of the box like NRT-CBR. No international service to CBR at the moment and plenty of high yield business and govt traffic. Plus
31 Jfk777 : ANA could market it as the "GOLFER EXPRESS" to Australia or Hawaii. Japan-Singapore could work too. It could be marketed as a shopping trip to Italy f
32 Stitch : Perhaps CDG-NGO to compete with JL's daily two-class 772ER?
33 MCOflyer : It would one heck of a competeion. What routes can we expect in the near future? I would presume they would be niche routes. MCOflyer
34 FLY777UAL : What is the effective range of the aircraft with the 48-seat layout? Boeing says one thing on the BBJ website, but as we all know, that differs greatl
35 Airevents : One route that I could imagine would be Japan (anywhere basically) to Dusseldorf, the biggest Japanese colony in Europe without any direct flights. Th
36 Stitch : Per Boeing, about 5,510 nm (10,200 km), however that would be 48 Business Class seats (which can weigh a good deal more then Economy), so I imagine N
37 Planemanofnz : I would have thought that HKG, PVG, PEK or ICN from NRT would have been a better option.
38 Jfk777 : ANA could do this concept with a 787-8 for Europe and America. With 8500 miles of range that could fly to almost any place nonstop from Japan except S
39 Aaron747 : ^ Why exactly? This flight will be full most of the month. Toyota and several of their group companies run several plants in Guangzhou and there is co
40 Post contains images Johnnybgoode : i do agree, and IRIC LH once studied the 'Privatair' case for DUS-NRT. but would the 73W-ER have enough range to serve such a route nonstop? dude, do
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