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Missing Flight Between 2 Alliance Hubs  
User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

I am planning a RTW and while constructing it came across several alliance hubs that are not inter-connected. Below are some of the routes I found odd not to be connected. Does anyone have others? Also, is there not enough traffic to justify the same?

Star Alliance:

- LIS-VIE (surprising to me)
- LIS-WAW
- ORD-VIE (surprising given how many ex-East Europeans live in ORD and can connect through VIE)
- AKL-ICN

(In case it isn't obvious, I am doing the RTW on Star)

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Everyone's favorite at SkyTeam.........MSP - CDG to connect the NW hub at MSP and the AF hub at CDG.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25052 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

Quoting Kiramakora (Thread starter):
ORD-VIE

VIENNA CONNECTED NONSTOP TO 4 NORTH AMERICAN CITIES

Austrian Airlines will commence nonstop service roundtrip from Chicago to Vienna in May 2007, it was announced today in New York by Paul Paflik, Austrian’s General Manager the Americas. “This will be Austrian’s fourth North American gateway – after New York, Washington and Toronto,” said Paflik, “and it represents a major expansion of our transatlantic service.”

Austrian’s Chicago flights will initially operate four times weekly, using Boeing 767 equipment, and quickly increase to daily by summer. “In addition to the Chicago flights, operating 6 times a week, summer 2007 will see us flying daily from Washington and Toronto, and virtually twice daily from New York’s JFK International Airport,” Paflik added.


http://www.aua.com/us/eng/austrian/news/Local+Press/



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting Kiramakora (Thread starter):
- LIS-WAW
- ORD-VIE (surprising given how many ex-East Europeans live in ORD and can connect through VIE)

Not many people flew Austrian to Poland via VIE when OS used to fly here pre-9/11. Austrian was always more expensive, speaking from first hand experience as Ive flown ORD-LHR-WAW x 4, ORD-MUC-WAW, ORD-FRA-WAW x 2, ORD-AMS-WAW x 3, ORD-ZRH-WAW x 3. Definately the most popular transit point was ZRH, FRA and AMS. Cant speak for the rest of CEE countries.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

PHX-FRA.
PHX-MUC.

I was hoping LH would take this one again, but it doesnt look like it anymore.


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

DEN-NRT. Huge STAR hubs on both sides.

User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

I suspect the Phoenix gaps will be plugged quickly in the event of a Delta merger with US -- otherwise, at least FRA will probably be covered with the A332s that are coming online in the next couple of years at US.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

I don't believe any non-North American Star Alliance Carrier flies to any of US Airways hubs or focus cities other than Lufthansa, who flies to Boston, Charlotte, and Philadelphia, British Midland, who flies to Las Vegas, and Swiss, who flies to Boston.


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User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

That's a bizarre "point" to make. . . Lufthansa, United and Air Canada being the three principal international carriers in * that fly throughout North America and Asia (and all three of them offering service to US's principal hub at PHL and the latter two offering services to all US hubs and focus cities).

US also connects its own hubs to other Star hubs, including Manchester, Oslo, Lisbon, and Stockholm, as well as regular scheduled flights to the United, Air Canada and Lufthansa primary hubs. They've also announced new service to Zurich from Philadelphia. It would be difficult to characterize the US Airways system as "unconnected" from the Star Alliance as a result.

And while I'd love Singapore Airlines, Thai and ANA to fly to Philadelphia, I'd expect a US/"new Delta" flight to NRT before any of those carriers come in to a US hub.

[Edited 2006-12-26 05:03:04]


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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

I'm waiting for the 787 to bring them all into play.

PTY-PRG
CVG-ICN
LIS-AKL
WAW-JNB
SCL-DUB
SYD-MAD


User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Yes. The 787 is an incredible plane that will put big-time pressure on non-competitive airports to get their acts together or lose business to nearby aiports with a superior business model.

I could easily see, for instance, a revamped Luton taking on Heathrow and Gatwick with lower fares and a carrier loaded up with 787s. With the Thameslink connection to the City, and the planned runway extension, Luton could probably even attract away some transatlantic business from Gatwick for 787-equipped carriers.

It could also open up non-stops between smaller cities in the USA and Europe to Asian cities. Philadelphia, Washington DC, etc. could benefit.



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Well if we consider YVR a hub for AC.
Bangkok (Used to be served by CP)
Singapour (Singapour conects through SEL)
JNB (To far anyhow)
This is just off the top of my head, YYZ could also be missing those flights... do not quote me on that though I do not follow it to much  Wink.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 9):
SYD-MAD

Don't hold your breath!
How about SYD-DFW! Its comming, once the plane gets here!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

LHR-JFK, now that UA have withdrawn. If AI join, as rumoured, then the hiatus will only be short term (with Star Alliance)

User currently offlineUSAirPlatinum From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

JFK isn't a Star Alliance hub, though.

The only Star almost-hub in the New York area is LGA (US Airways).



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32689 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 9):
I'm waiting for the 787 to bring them all into play.

PTY-PRG
CVG-ICN
LIS-AKL
WAW-JNB
SCL-DUB
SYD-MAD

The 787 will bring exactly zero of those "into play".



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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

The 787 will bring exactly zero of those "into play".

Really?  sarcastic 
I tried hard, but couldn't think of any sillier pairs than those.  Smile


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

Quoting Kiramakora (Thread starter):
LIS-VIE (surprising to me)

OS is having a 4 times a week seasonal summer flight from VIE to LIS ( FltNbr: OS 4001/4002)

Quoting Kiramakora (Thread starter):
ORD-VIE (surprising given how many ex-East Europeans live in ORD and can connect through VIE)

OS is restarting this flights soon!


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

LAS to just about most of the international Star hubs, including FRA, VIE, SIN, JNB, NRT (at least, not non-stop), and AKL

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

VIE to JNB does not have a flight either....

User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Quoting USAirPlatinum (Reply 10):
It could also open up non-stops between smaller cities in the USA and Europe to Asian cities. Philadelphia, Washington DC, etc. could benefit.

small? the fifth largest city in the US is not small. and the DC metro market has something like 6 million people. not small either.

if they are small, what is big?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 18):
LAS to just about most of the international Star hubs, including FRA, VIE, SIN, JNB, NRT (at least, not non-stop), and AKL

I could see US doing LAS-FRA 3x a week but that about it at first.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Quoting Kiramakora (Thread starter):
LIS-WAW

Rumor says it is coming with summer 07.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Oneworld
DFW-MAD
LHR-SYD (not logistically possible yet, but it is still 2 alliance hubs without a non-stop flight)
HKG-SCL
NRT-SCL (once JL is a member)
NRT-MIA (once JL is a member)

There's a few missing links...


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2243 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3264 times:

As I'm based at ARN (a Star hub), I could add that the only Star hubs with direct flights from ARN are CPH, OSL, FRA, MUC, VIE, WAW, ZRH, LHR, MAD, BCN, ORD, and BKK. Which means that the missing links are all Star hubs in North America (with the exception of ORD), JNB, SIN, ICN, NRT, AKL, and probably a few more that I forgot.

Quoting USAirPlatinum (Reply 8):
US also connects its own hubs to other Star hubs, including Manchester, Oslo, Lisbon, and Stockholm,

US does not fly to Oslo. They had a seasonal flight between PHL-ARN last summer, but it does not operate this winter.

Quoting USAirPlatinum (Reply 10):
I could easily see, for instance, a revamped Luton taking on Heathrow and Gatwick with lower fares and a carrier loaded up with 787s.

I cannot see this for the simple reason that the 787 does not have any orders from any airline likely to open up a hub at Luton.



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25 DxBrian : Could we change the title of this thread? It makes it look like there is an aircraft missing.
26 Thaiaggie : BKK-VIE BKK/SIN-LIS BKK/SIN-ORD BKK/SIN-DEN BKK/SIN-WAW
27 Planemanofnz : Auckland and : -All the hubs in Europe excluding Heathrow. -All hubs in Africa -All hubs in South America (Don't know if Sao Paulo still counts) -Vanc
28 Post contains images OHLHD : ...... more than 15 years in service already!!!!!!!! where have you been
29 Kiwiandrew : is it one of the services being axed in OS's Asian downsizing ?
30 Planemanofnz : No. The plan is to cut all services to SIN, KUL, MEL and SYD effective March. BKK and HKT will stay on.
31 ZK-NBT : I think we will see OZ or NZ back on AKL-ICN sometime hopefully not to far down the line.
32 Post contains images OHLHD : Most likely to be upgraded to 777!
33 Post contains images SQ452 : Wait for that 787 to arrive and that will all change shortly
34 TAP1972 : Operated with A321 from Austrian....
35 TAP1972 : No flights between LIS-YYZ, as well, by Star Alliance
36 Airbazar : Not surprising at all. TP has been in * less than a year and it's quite possible that there is little demand for these routes. Having said that, LIS-
37 Af3876 : Correct me if i´m wrong but i beleive for Spain are: ONEWORLD: MAD-HKG MAD-SYD STAR ALLIANCE: MAD-ICN MAD-NRT MAD-IAD MAD-JNB MAD-YYZ MAD-SIN SKYTEAM
38 TAP1972 : Airbazar, I think PGA flies to WAW in codeshare with Air France via Paris not direct.
39 Acidradio : Skyteam: MSP-MEX MSP-CDG I could come up with a bunch more which are not very realistic. But these two seem like they have a shot, given the availabil
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