CirrusDriver From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6688 times:
Greetings and Merry Christmas!
It seems that the E190 flights to PHX are often plagued with lengthy maintenance delays. Todays flight from YYC, for example, was seven hours late due to mechanical issues. A few weeks ago one broke and sat here in PHX for almost three days while Air Canada technitions worked to solve an unknown(?) problem. I think that Embraer produced a beautiful aircraft, but is Air Canada happy with them?
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6689 times:
All of the problems are software related. I believe a couple of our mechanics are up in YYZ helping AC out, or at least they where, because we've had a head start and know how to fix most of the issues.
ZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1927 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6603 times:
As a pax point of view, they are superior to any product out there (Y) and if i had to pay for a seat on AC, WS or any American career and i knew i would be getting on an E-Jet with AC, even for more money i would go with AC, the leg room is excellent the AVOD is great, and the feel inside the cabin is extremely comfortable. Even though they may have some teething problems, they probably help many people head back to AC over WS seeing how they have such a far superioir product in the E-Jets and the project XM birds.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6557 times:
Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 1): All of the problems are software related.
That seems to be the number one issue most carriers operating these aircraft have . For the most part,other than the software issues it's an excellent aircraft. Because of these problems the aircraft has earned the nickname,"The Embraer 180",as it departs and has to turn around due to a technical issue. The software issues have been ongoing since the beginning and one can only hope as each software update is downloaded into the aircraft they can finally get the last of the bugs out.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4621 posts, RR: 40 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6390 times:
They haven't impressed the ramp guys very much with winter operations. They don't seem to handle the cold as well as the Airbii and Boeings. But their flight economics are impressive.
Kearney From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6346 times:
I like to fly in them, but the maintainance issues go further than just software (from gossip i hear). I feel in general they are not built to last. And the ramp guys hate them for the small (height) and long cargo holds... But they are pretty to look at!
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6235 times:
We had the same (software) issues when we added Airbus models to our fleet. It was very frustrating as there were not many actual flaws, just faulty warnings/indications. It took some time to work things out but while still sometimes tempermental regarding software issues, once the bugs were worked they became solid aircraft. I expect the same from the Embraers. I have been associated with Embraer aircraft for some time (since the 110) and have found them to very good aircraft.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6032 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6039 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 4): They haven't impressed the ramp guys very much with winter operations. They don't seem to handle the cold as well as the Airbii and Boeings
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5982 times:
Quoting Flaps (Reply 6): We had the same (software) issues when we added Airbus models to our fleet. It was very frustrating as there were not many actual flaws, just faulty warnings/indications.
The first issue(s) of software are rarely, if ever, completely fault free. If ever I buy the early models of, say, a mobile phone, it usually goes wrong within a few weeks, and so forth for about six months and two or three replacements/refurbishments. These glitches are usually ironed out and the phone is then fine. The same is true with new OS's, as it is for aircraft. The early A320s and A340-500/600 were not great, and the 744 was pretty bad too, as for the 777 early models are far inferior to the models now being delivered. Through a process of redesign and updates these problems are ironed out. Launch Customers know this, and recieve appropriate support and discounts from the manufacturers.
Im sure the 190 will give sterling service to AC and all the operators who fly her.
Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
CirrusDriver From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
Quoting Kearney (Reply 5): And the ramp guys hate them for the small (height) and long cargo holds...
I am 6 ft 3 inch. The first time I saw the E190 pull up to the gate in PHX I knew that it was not going to be comfortable for me inside the "pits". It's a narrow aircraft, I expected it. But those cargo doors, what a pain! It wasn't bad enough to make me hate the aircraft, though. A few steps backwards and I forgot about the bumps on my head!
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5555 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7): Please explain, do their noses run or what?
Thanks for the chuckle.
Although the software issues of the E190 could just as well be seen as a computer cold he means the aircraft does not handle as well in cold weather, ie cold starts, engine & aircraft performance etc.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4621 posts, RR: 40 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5525 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7): Please explain, do their noses run or what?
The cargo doors often freeze up even when it's only marginally cold outside (around -10C) or so. You have to hold a heater up to the door handle for a few minutes to thaw it out enough to open it. Also, their water tanks seem to be much more sensitive to cold than the tanks on Airbus or Boeing aircraft. We often have to have heaters hooked up and running on 190's that are staying overnight in temps where it's not necessary with Airbus and Boeing. Also, it seems to have trouble starting when it's really cold (-20C), and the APU's have been far from reliable.
Quoting CirrusDriver (Reply 9): I am 6 ft 3 inch. The first time I saw the E190 pull up to the gate in PHX I knew that it was not going to be comfortable for me inside the "pits". It's a narrow aircraft, I expected it. But those cargo doors, what a pain! It wasn't bad enough to make me hate the aircraft, though. A few steps backwards and I forgot about the bumps on my head!
Hehehe, well I did warn you guys about them in the US E190 thread a few weeks back
Multimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 747 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5478 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 4): They haven't impressed the ramp guys very much with winter operations. They don't seem to handle the cold as well as the Airbii and Boeings. But their flight economics are impressive.
Or handle the winters as well as the BBD aircraft I dare say! You can bet AC is better pleased with the economics of the 705, especially since they are operated by lower cost Jazz crew. Too bad they're limited my ACPA as to how many Jazz can add to their fleet.
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
Oh dear, I hope AC irons out their issues soon. But I wouldn't be surprised if they adopt the same 'affectionate' term we at B6 dubbed the E190: the E-180. Lately though, I think our reliability on the jet has increased quite a lot. Good luck to AC! It's a great aircraft - when it works. But on the water tank thing, I noticed as well that on longer flights, the water had a tendency to freeze, rendering lavs unusable.
LongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4316 posts, RR: 36 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
Quoting Multimark (Reply 12): Or handle the winters as well as the BBD aircraft I dare say! You can bet AC is better pleased with the economics of the 705, especially since they are operated by lower cost Jazz crew. Too bad they're limited my ACPA as to how many Jazz can add to their fleet.
The E175/190 is no less reliable than the A320 when it was introduced to the fleet. It is new technology, and the learning curve is steep ... but not anything that can't or wont be overcome.
The CRJ705 being a stretch of a 20 year old design and technology I would hope is reliable by now! However, as cool as the plane looks, (and it does!) and as much as we like the AVOD and the legroom, we have to acknowledge that in the passengers eyes, it is NOT the same league as the E175/190. Even though long, it is still viewed as a regional commuter jet, and there has been resistance shown. Much like the smaller CRJs. When looking at YYZ-DFW and YYZ-IAH, the loads have increased a reported 35% with the switch from the CRJ705/CRJ200 to the E175.
With respect to the cost of Jazz crews, remember that a Jazz Captain makes the same whether he/she flies a CRJ705 or a 37 seat Dash 8-100! In other words a deal for the company when flying the larger jet, and pretty pricey help when flying the Dash!
I would imagine that the Jazz crews should be more concerned about losing the prop flying to Air Georgian (3rd tier carrier, and current rumour) than pushing for more CRJ705s!
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Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2965 times:
Quoting Multimark (Reply 12):
Or handle the winters as well as the BBD aircraft I dare say! You can bet AC is better pleased with the economics of the 705, especially since they are operated by lower cost Jazz crew. Too bad they're limited my ACPA as to how many Jazz can add to their fleet.
The CRJ certainly had its winter problems, and I have participated in threads on other bulletin boards where AMEs have discussed the workarounds that had to be developed, particularly for dealing with cold start problems. These workarounds are developed over time, often without having to resort to committees, other airlines or the manufacturer. Somebody in a cold-winter city like Regina just discovers a solution that works, doesn't cost a fortune and doesn't add wear and tear to any of the plane's systems. The same common sense approaches will be found for the E-Jets just as they have been found for every aircraft Air Canada has ever flown. It's practical day to day aviation inventiveness, not rocket science.
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he means the aircraft does not handle as well in cold weather, ie cold starts, engine & aircraft performance etc.
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Lately though, I think our reliability on the jet has increased quite a lot. Good luck to AC! It's a great aircraft - when it works. But on the water tank thing, I noticed as well that on longer flights, the water had a tendency to freeze, rendering lavs unusable.
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