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EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007  
User currently offlineJDFlyVC10 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16869 times:

Hello My Airliners.Net Friends and Happy New Year!

Was with my Exec friend from Emirates last week in LAS (PLaying CRAP!) and he gave me the low down of what they plan to do with the West Coast of the USA.

They plan to use the 5th freedom rights and fly A345 DXB-LAX-AKL Daily. BUT with the A380 debacle they have to delay the launch till late 2007.

EK was also looking at DXB-SFO-SYD but found there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

All the best....JD


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16845 times:

I hope next year Emirates launches LAX and SFO. California is truly a melting pot. It would seem to me that from California, especially LAX, there would be a market to anywhere in the world. In my opinion, LAX would be an ideal A380 route for EK, SFO could be a 777 route, with a stop in Europe. just my opinion, cheers....

User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16770 times:

Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

As someone who flies between DXB and LAX 2-3x a year - I would really hope that EK would do something great with their economy product otherwise that could provide to be quite the miserable flight.

I imagine this could only be done with the 777-200LRs or 345s...I would think that it would be stretching the range on the 380 and that there wouldn't be enough demand anyway?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16747 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

In California? You are losing it Michel.  Silly



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16706 times:

Look out NZ...you got competition coming!

Thanks for the update.

What will the return flight be? Also, I didnt know they had 5th freedom rights out of LAX (or United States) to fly from LAX-AKL.....does The Emirates have open skies agreement with the United States?

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

ORD, LAX and IAH were on the list. EK have already stated they wanted to start ORD but can't due to A380 delays.....

EK have also stated they want to start LAX with a possible B747-8I (if they ordered it)

I'm surprised that they would want to use an A345 given that they are getting their -200LR's next year....but none the less, the A345 is a great plane and should work well for EK...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
In California? You are losing it Michel.

Us NoCalers would differ as to the most important city in California...


edit: or would it be DXB-AKL-LAX?

[Edited 2006-12-27 00:55:56]


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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16705 times:

Wow
This would make another round-the-world routing nicely. Way to go. cannot wait to take this route in 2008 once my graduate studies are completed!!!

Good luck and best wishes to all.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16674 times:

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

It seems they want this route alot due to its freight potential. In that case, the A380 or the A340-500 are NOT the aircraft for the route. I would expect 777-300ER or 777-200LR (more cargo space).


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16632 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
I would think that it would be stretching the range on the 380 and that there wouldn't be enough demand anyway?

I am very certain that there is demand from LAX to the Mid East, even for the A380. I think its always been a range issue, not demand...


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25512 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16618 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
does The Emirates have open skies agreement with the United States?

Yes they do. In addition EK does have very liberal traffic rights to NZ which they currently use on their AKL & CHC services which allows service via 3rd countries.

EK might as well focus on NZ as we all know the troubles Singapore Airlines has experienced along with slowness which Air Canada has encountered in launching its own LAX-SYD services.



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16581 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
EK might as well focus on NZ

If it is true that EK are going to fly to the US from AKL in 2007, it is good news indeed! It make so much sense- and one of the reasons New Zealand is so important to the EK global airline plan. With the Australian government unlikely to give further rights to EK or SQ anytime soon to fly direct from Australia to the USA, EK will use its AKL min-hub to do Australia-USA, just as NZ does it -through AKL. Good for Australian and USA travellers, good for New Zealand.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16564 times:

This is exciting news indeed!!!

Is this route going to be a circular route (DXB-AKL-LAX-DXB), or would it be a AKL-LAX-DXB-LAX-AKL, or would it be a DXB-AKL-LAX-AKL-DXB?



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16523 times:
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Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

There is so much traffic for them in the muslim world and the Far East whatever they did via the Pacific to America is peanuts. Flying their new A380 fleet regionally and to Europe and Asia should keep EK busy for the next 5 years. Fly nonstop tp Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, LAX, SFO, ORD and other Americas cities should be nonstop from Dubai or via Europe as JFK is now served.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5682 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16482 times:

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
EK was also looking at DXB-SFO-SYD but found there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

Ek do not have general fifth freedom rights from Oz, only to NZ, so they dont have the rights for DXB-SFO-SYD and I would think the chances of getting them before DJ & JQ start services to North America in late 2008/early 2009 are very remote.

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16473 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Yes they do. In addition EK does have very liberal traffic rights to NZ which they currently use on their AKL & CHC services which allows service via 3rd countries.

Thanks Laxintl.....I thought they had open skies agreements with the USofA.

I know AKL is via MEL or SYD...

Looking at EK's schedules, they have a lot of 5th freedom rights..no wonder they are interested in "divide and conquer"... spin ...I'm sure most of the countries regret signing open skies agreement with Dubai back in the middle 80's.......

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):

Is this route going to be a circular route (DXB-AKL-LAX-DXB), or would it be a AKL-LAX-DXB-LAX-AKL, or would it be a DXB-AKL-LAX-AKL-DXB?

I'm curious too..so far, according to the thread starter, its DXB-LAX-AKL...

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

Doesn't matter if its not a direct route or not..they have pax/cargo rights..for them,it's a "regular scheduled flight"...if they can fill up bums and belly, I'm sure they aren't going to care.

As stated by the thread starter, its DXB-LAX-AKL....it was me who was questioning if its not the other way around....

EK doesn't have any fascinations besides "divide and conquer".. Wink

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
There is so much traffic for them in the muslim world and the Far East whatever they did via the Pacific to America is peanuts. Flying their new A380 fleet regionally and to Europe and Asia should keep EK busy for the next 5 years. Fly nonstop tp Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, LAX, SFO, ORD and other Americas cities should be nonstop from Dubai or via Europe as JFK is now served.

EK isn't primarily a "muslim carrier" like say PK or SV....they want to transport as many bums and cargo as possible using their DXB megahub and 5th freedom rights...also, who's to day they can't do both? They are certainly getting the hardware for it!



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User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16452 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
I hope next year Emirates launches LAX and SFO.

and ORD!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
California is truly a melting pot.

as is Chicago!

-Ryan



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User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16428 times:

I think some of us in LAX would love to know whether the plane comes back from AKL through LAX to Dubai. It would be great to have a non-stop LAX-DXB, but if it's an RTW it will only ever be the other way around.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16398 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

The whole point is that Emirates wants to get in on New Zealand - Los Angeles traffic. (Same way Singapore wanted SYD-LAX)


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

So let me see if I have this straight.

Emirates is looking at the DXB-LAX-AKL not as a through flight, but actually two separate segments, that just happen to anchor on LAX?

Because anyone who flys from DXB to AKL, via the U.S. has got to be batty!
DXB to AKL as it is, is 7600nm....sticking LAX in the middle of the route makes it a comfortable 13,000! (Well, 12,900nm to be exact, the other number is well, just more dramatic!)

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
I would really hope that EK would do something great with their economy product otherwise that could provide to be quite the miserable flight.

Having not flown Emirates, would you say their economy product is on par with QANTAS or United?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16117 times:

I plan on going to AKL next year, and LAX-AKL on an EK 345 in F would be a dream come true, aviation wise. I have enough CO FF miles to pull it off, it's just a question of availability and timing...  Smile


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16050 times:

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
Was with my Exec friend from Emirates last week in LAS (PLaying CRAP!) and he gave me the low down of what they plan to do with the West Coast of the USA.

LMAO... please.

I can see this once they get some A380 or 772LR's... Which is when? EK has (10) A345's and that is it. I can see them moving a few to run DXB-LAX but not daily until they get more a/c that can make that run w/o a stop. As for SFO... I have to agree with "AirxLiban" and say that SFO could get it done with a 772LR.

With Clark saying they want "enormous financial compensation" due to lose of revenue to the A380 delays god only knows where/what he is thinking for N. America.

IAH
ORD
SFO
LAX

When? Where? and How?

Although I do agree with all in saying that LAX will be EK's next stop after JFK.



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User currently offlineBEYauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16013 times:

So what would be the flight time on a 345 going LAX-DXB?

User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15936 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Because anyone who flys from DXB to AKL, via the U.S. has got to be batty!

Too right! As balmy as flying EK to JFK through DXB. But the point is to provide a global network, with no "end-of-the-earth", as New Zealand provides for the EK network at present - a dead end (with no disrespect intended to New Zealand - to itself it is as central as anywhere else, of course  Smile ). Having the connection on to the US will rid the network of that problem. Then, of course, some silly options will always be possible, given the huge network available. But there will always be a quicker way, unlike now...

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Having not flown Emirates, would you say their economy product is on par with QANTAS or United?

EK cattle class is brilliant; top of its features being very fine food and IFE, both areas IMHO superior to QF and UA. FA style is a matter of preference: in my experience, EK's is internationalist and solid, QF's more personal perhaps...therefore more variable.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
The whole point is that Emirates wants to get in on New Zealand - Los Angeles traffic. (Same way Singapore wanted SYD-LAX)

It's also to use AKL as a hub, out of and into Australia and New Zealand. EK have prepared well by having their flights to and from BNE, MEL and SYD all coming in and going out of AKL within a very small time span.EK may later add to the list of feeders ADL and perhaps PER. That means they will all be good feeds into one flight to and from LAX through AKL. It is not as dissimilar from QF's system at the moment, which uses SYD as its hub (with a few direct flights from MEL). If you want to fly to LAX on QF from an Australian city, almost everything flies through SYD. EK will be using AKL as its hub to LAX, rather than SYD. In addition EK will have the New Zealand market place (about the size of Melbourne) to add another feed. It may seem a huge time addition for Australian feeds, but it isn't so bad if you factor in that though the Tasman takes around 4 hrs, AKL is 1 1/2 hrs closer to LAX than SYD. The time difference will be much better than that (and often marginal or better) compared to many QF flights. With a thinner route, EK should be able to make its connection time-loss through its AKL more efficient than QF does through its hub SYD.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

This is fantastic news! I can't believe it. Finally we will have decent competition to America! EK will now join NZ as being the only 2 airlines in the world to offer a true 'round the world' service. Does anybody know when anything official will be announced?

Any other routes from AKL in the pipeline? SIN? EZE? SFO? KUL? Exciting times for Emirates and New Zealand ahead.


User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15865 times:

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 20):
So what would be the flight time on a 345 going LAX-DXB?

hmm... 17-18 hours most likely...not sure. Anyone else..?



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15760 times:
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I'll believe it when I see it - EK have previously denied any intention to operate AKL-US . They are also suffering an a/c shortage due to the A380 problems and I just cannot see a low yielding route far away from their hub as a high priority


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25 Kaitak744 : Really? When? Uh, they take a new 777-300ER almost once a month. Sometimes more. Honestly, with all those new 777s, just where do you see them operat
26 Kiwiandrew : if it is such a high yielding route why dont any of the US carriers fly it - they all seem to be expanding their international networks to anywhere t
27 777ER : Add QF to that also From the looks of it DXB-LAX-AKL-LAX-DXB This hardly isn't surprising thou because EK have been knowen for wanting a piece of the
28 TG992 : I wouldn't believe it just yet. Remember, the current agreement that allows Emirates to operate here is contingent on it "not unduly" affecting Air N
29 Post contains links VHVXB : well they have said that they do not want to operate AUST-US services http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,20588293-23349,00.html
30 Planemanofnz : Because their products are simply 'crap' and their premium services cannot compete with the likes of NZ's new Business Premier and to a lesser extent
31 VHVXB : well lets see if this is happening first. There is no official source to back the thread starters comments other than the executive no doubt they wil
32 Kiwiflyer791 : All this speculation is based on two guys playing cards in Vegas? Why not just wait for the announcement if it ever comes? With Air NZ having two dire
33 ZK-NBT : It would probably depart AKL at 1630/1700 in the NZ summer after the SYD, MEL, BNE flights arrive. Although the return flight would be interesting wi
34 Zkojh : well if it happens lets hope they make good turnarounds unlike at the moment where they are parking the a340-500 on remote stands at akl for ages! and
35 Zvezda : The WhaleJet has sufficient range for DXB-LAX. Demand is another question.
36 QANTAS077 : depends which side of the country your on, if your out west it means absolutely nothing because we still have to fly 4hrs to Melbourne or Sydney to m
37 Planemanofnz : Well EK has tried to get rights for PER-AKL but of course Unce John in Canberra and his team are out to protect QF. Hopefully we might see PER, ADL a
38 Zvezda : Let's be more clear. They are out to protect QF at the expense of the Australian consumer. Indeed, at the expense of the Australian economy.
39 Jacobin777 : It would be "fair" if the playing field was level with competing carriers...I can't say the playing field right now is completely "fair and level" on
40 Antskip : All that may change. The Treasurer, Peter Costello, has indicated that if the takeover of QF is agreed to by the Australian government, their attitud
41 CaliAtenza : yep california is trully a melting pot as you said. The only thing stopping me from flying EK right now is that they dont have service to LAX.
42 Zvezda : I don't "fair" is really an issue here. The government of Australia should do what is good for Australia, not what is good for QF at the expense of e
43 Post contains images Jacobin777 : My comment was a "potshot" at both EK and QF....neither play fair......
44 Zvezda : Dubai's policy of letting anyone operate from DXB has resulted in tremendous growth for EK. I don't think EK could have grown nearly so fast if Dubai
45 Jacobin777 : I wasn't referencing Dubai's "tit-for-tat" granting of rights, but other policies of Dubai and the Emirates. I feel EK is only a quasi-free company.
46 QANTAS077 : not sure that's true, QF don't even serve Auckland from Perth.
47 ZKNEA : Assuming, as it appears, that all current AKL flights (i.e via AUS) continue not only then will passengers come from Australia, but all the other por
48 Airbazar : You're missing the point. No one will fly from Dubai to LAX via NZ. A lot of people will fly between Dubai and NZ, and possibly a lot of people will
49 LAXdude1023 : I think it would be from AKL to DXB via LAX not LAX to DXB via AKL. But I agree, I would never go through LAX if I was trying to get from AKL to DXB.
50 Fridgmus : Airbazar, BINGO! Your last sentence sums it ALL up! Marc
51 Post contains images Mariner : mariner
52 Kaitak744 : U.S. carriers?? Seriously????? Since when did U.S. carriers make sense? Cathay serves LAX 3x daily. U.S. carriers LAX-HKG = none. Qantas serves LAX 4
53 LAXdude1023 : The US carriers wont touch LAX over the pacific and its unfortunate. They are afraid of competition. LAX has just about every carrier that flys over t
54 9V-SPJ : Well, if you consider routings where you need to change flights or not nonstop flights, eg NW and UA at NRT, you can definitely fly LAX-HKG,SIN,ICN. N
55 BEYauty : I think the LAX-DXB sector will be very successful, as there is a lot of demand by Middle Easterners and others travelling to the Middle East and back
56 Zvezda : That's not quite fair. 2 of those SQ flights make stops along the way. If one is willing to make one stop along the way, both NW and UA fly LAX-SIN.
57 LAXdude1023 : And this is why LAX wont see much in the way of domestic carriers flying across the pacific.
58 Exaauadl : LAX-AKL-DXB 15329 Great Circle Miles LAX-ATL-DXB 9546 Great Circle Miles Flying EK LAX-DXB rather than LAX-ATL-DXB will be over 50% longer in elasped
59 Kaitak744 : It will then likely be DXB-LAX-AKL-LAX-DXB since they already have DXB-AKL flights.
60 LAXdude1023 : Exactly. The flights will be nonstop from LAX-DXB.
61 EXAAUADL : So they are expecting local traffic only between LAX and AKL to sustain the flight. No one will fly AKL-LAX-DXB as it is shorter going west than east
62 Nzrich : Any airline can fly into and out of NZ ..The real question is does EK have the rights from the US government to fly to LAX from AKL NZ that would be t
63 QANTAS077 : they do when it comes to LAX-NRT NW AA UA
64 Planemanofnz : No, but they get a hell of alot of passengers connecting to AKL via SYD, MEL, ADL and BNE. Canberra might also see another flight to New Zealand as n
65 QANTAS077 : not even sure thats true, Air NZ serve Perth daily and the traffic between Perth & NZ isn't that large that people would go bunny hopping to get ther
66 AerorobNZ : TG992 is the only one who has stated the most important aspect of this discussion. If NZ is unduly affected (as it would be on their most profitable o
67 Planemanofnz : Ask yourself why the traffic is so bad. Because NZ flies an outdated 767-300ER on the route with basically non existent IFE for a nearly 8 hour fligh
68 Flyjetstar : According to this from TG992: Remember, the current agreement that allows Emirates to operate here is contingent on it "not unduly" affecting Air New
69 Flyjetstar : Prove it! Show me the stats that say people choose to go via MEL and not direct on NZ because of the IFE or a 767. The average punter doesn't care ab
70 Post contains images QANTAS077 : let me put it to you this way, Air NZ services are more then enough to handle the Perth-Auckland traffic, i doubt Qantas gets many people using the P
71 Nzrich : Actually NZ has grown this route ..Look at the history it used to 3 times a week now its daily or at least 6 times a week during the off peak times..
72 QANTAS077 : err..that's what i said champ, go back and re-read my post!
73 Nzrich : Hi i know you did say that the first bit of the quote is from planemanfromnz Actually 100% agree with what you said Qantas077 Sorry but when i used t
74 Post contains images Zkpilot : Because they aren't interested in flying pax from DXB to USA via NZL... they are interested in flying pax to NZL and flying pax from NZL to USA. In o
75 Jacobin777 : EK just didn't "somehow" happen to get away with it. All the various govts signed bilaterals and open skies agreements with The Emirates/Dubai.....yo
76 TG992 : How about you actually check your facts as I did, and get back to us..start with the Air Services Agreement. I repeat, Emirates' right to operate her
77 Stirling : What about South America? They know where their markets lay.....but at the same time, they are painfully aware of their own inherent inability to com
78 Aerokiwi : As someone who has flown the AKL-PER sector a few times now on both NZ and QF, I can assure you that the NZ flight is sub-par in MANY respects. With
79 TG992 : I'd like to respond to Aerokiwi's points above to give those who aren't familiar with NZ's service on the PER-AKL route an idea of what we offer. Two
80 QANTAS077 : whatever....your doing a stirling job of convincing nobody. flying 7hrs nonstop is far quciker then flying 4hrs, stopping 3hrs, flying again for anot
81 NorthstarBoy : this is probably a stupid question, but, does the 380 even have the range to fly DXB-LAX nonstop? according to sabre, the distance is just a tad over
82 Planemanofnz : And a whopping 7 hours and 45 minutes in the opposite direction.
83 TG992 : Probably should have mentioned the AKL-PER sector as well. Since it's a longer flight, in addition to what I mentioned above there is a second meal se
84 AerorobNZ : Correct. I know, cos I informed the forum when that decision was made. But NZ can do the same thing as Australia did in that instance for QF. EK can
85 Gemuser : DXB-LAX is 7246 nautical miles. The A380 has a still air range of 8000nm. The flight is a north-south flight, if you assume GC. Should not be a hugh
86 Kaitak744 : First of all, the 777-200LR has longer range than the A340-500. As for DXB-LAX, the 777-300ER, 747-8, A340-600, A340-500, A380, and 777-200LR can fly
87 Post contains images Zkpilot : exactly, which is my point. However as NZL has Open skies all that airservices agreement went out the window as UAE also has Open skies... hence why
88 Post contains links TG992 : ZKpilot, you'd better inform the Ministry of Transport and the New Zealand Government, since they seem to disagree with you.. http://www.nzherald.co.n
89 ZK-NBT : But an Emirates spokesman said "On 2005/06 numbers, we carried about 124,000 people between New Zealand and Dubai and beyond and vice versa. That is h
90 Aerokiwi : Pretty standard really and sub-par when for the same price you get all that plus the chance of real IFE and frequent flyer points and generally nicer
91 Post contains links and images TG992 : Unless you are are on these aircraft "Audio and Video on Demand is available on all our A330-300 aircraft. It is also being progressively introduced o
92 Ikramerica : 14 one way, 16 the other? Although if it's a 345, it'll be slower than a 777 by 1/2 hour to 1 hour on this length trip. NZ is brand new, their produc
93 Nzrich : OK now lets look at the facts QF PER-AKL is 8h20 plus QF recommends that if your making a international connection the MIN time is 45 min prior to de
94 Kaitak744 : The comparison was with Delta, who flys ATL-DXB. (ie: LAX-ATL-DXB)
95 Ikramerica : So, the thread is about LAX-DXB non-stop, so why compare the "bad" option of LAX-AKL-SYD-DXB with the middle option of LAX-ATL-DXB, when EK is going
96 Zkpilot : so what would be your definition of "not unduly affect"? I take everything I read in the NZ herald with a large grain of salt, especially when it com
97 Planemanofnz : No. 5 hour 25 mins is more like CNS-AKL, not PER-AKL. AKL-PER is 7 hrs 45 mins whilst the other way around is 6 hours 20 minutes.
98 Nzrich : Actually when i was typing that i did think it seemed a bit quick from my days i used to fly that route regular basis..when i went back to my old ros
99 Kaitak744 : Hey, I didn't write it. I was just clarifying.
100 Ikramerica : Who? Honestly, I hear this all the time, but who's F is it equivalent to? AA will also introduce a new F cabin in the not to distant future, and new
101 Antskip : The NZ site gives for some dates 5hr 25 mins and some 6 hrs 20 min - the quicker time is obviously incorrect. NZ seems to get the time of travel corr
102 Planemanofnz : Only very marginally! Well I got my information from the Air NZ inflight magazine. It says AKL-PER as 7hr45mins and PER-AKL as 6hr20mins. No, this ye
103 Antskip : Yep, you are quite right! Daylight saving of one hour started in Western Australia again this year. However, what is wrong with the NZ web site? I ha
104 TG992 : I'll look at this at work tomorrow, what date did you look at?? Any chance you want to comment on reply 91?? Thanks "Ground TG992"
105 Post contains links Antskip : I used the NZ web site (which provides the same info on portals like www.travel.com.au) at a range of dates: I tried January 10, January 20, February
106 Aerokiwi : Let's see, of the three times I've flown PER-AKL, the two times on QF (one via SYD, the other via MEL) have involved a 25 min prior checkin with abso
107 Zkpilot : Well considering most airlines don't offer F anymore, and those that do often have one that has been around for some time (ie QF has an older F, they
108 Antskip : I would think such a move would be ideal for both airlines, keeping in mind that EK is 10X the size. An EK-injected (financially and managerialyl) NZ
109 TG992 : Thanks for this, I've logged to get this fixed. Well yes, and most others I would think! Early morning departure with late afternoon arrival Vs Midda
110 Nzrich : OK well its not a tasman express service .. The food is not similar to the tasman express... If we want to go down the line of food my last flight on
111 Aerokiwi : This from an NZ employee. Yes but I say it in conjunction with a superior inflight meal service and a frequent flyer reward scheme which you keep ign
112 Nzrich : Actually this is not as much a VFR route as you think even thou it is a important factor in this route.. When i used to fly this route we had a lot o
113 TG992 : Aerokiwi, your 'superior inflight meal service' is entirely subjective and I wish you'd stop using it as a debating point. It is misleading to other p
114 Flyjetstar : I agree. The points made by Aerokiwi are purely subjective and are not points to hang a constructive debate on. I for one don't care for IFE and am n
115 Planemanofnz : Look guys, to be honest I don't think many people care about food. Food is food and on most airlines it is the same. The reason I would pick QF over
116 Flyjetstar : By saying that aren't you just doing the same thing that the others are doing about meals? I fly Star when I can, nearly always, and I am very happy
117 TG992 : Many of the shortest QF connecting options on the PER-AKL route are operated by 767-300 or 737-800 aircraft. Would you mind explaining to me the diff
118 Viscount724 : As ZKpilot mentioned, EK is one of only three 777 operators with 10-abreast Y seating (others are China Southern and Thai...TG has both 9 and 10 abre
119 Ikramerica : QF had the same problem. Seems nobody realized that Perth was going back to Daylight Savings on Dec 1. I had this issue when I was there. Even though
120 Aerokiwi : Of course they're subjective. How else can I make my point but use my first-hand experience? Would you like me to pull a scientific analysis outta my
121 Nzrich : Hi just a quick reply to the following comment about food quality.. As i have worked on this route many times i have NEVER seen the food hardly touch
122 Planemanofnz : Hear ye, hear ye! Excellent Aerokiwi! Completely agree with you!
123 Aerokiwi : Except if you actually took the time to read my post you'll see that I say "every Air NZ AKL-PER segment that I have been on..." not EVERY flight eve
124 TG992 : Actually.. 40% of my household income comes from QF.. now there's a revelation for you! (Funnily enough, we both agree that the NZ longhaul meals are
125 Aerokiwi : May I suggest then that you create separate profiles so that we may all be a little clearer on who it is we are speaking to. Nice to see the acknowle
126 Post contains images TG992 : The other member of my household has never posted here. Love the irony Enjoy Qantas's oh-so-consistent product offering. Let me know where those PTVs
127 Aerokiwi : True, but I have thoroughly enjoyed them on the A333s and at least you can see the flip down screens on the 73s - compare those to the old 767 tvs NZ
128 TG992 : You're not - the other TG992 is another employee in a different area, but I think he adds enough value to justify sharing my login. He usually remembe
129 Nzrich : Yes i agree with the 763 point i do believe more tvs are being added to the 763 so should help this situation in seeing the screen when well thats an
130 TG992 : You will have seen a couple of posts from myself here. All have been signed off with Ground TG992. Let's face facts here. Meals are very much the sam
131 Aerokiwi : It's the feedback in a year or two from now that will be the clincher though. While at first redeeming is seen as a big plus (being more understandab
132 TG992 : Okay time to be blunt. Yes you can. Perhaps NZ listened to it's complaints/feedback and changed. I see nothing wrong with this? Instead of playing the
133 Australia1 : It will sure beat flying NZ, BNE/AKL/LAX. Who will EK interline with at LAX for onward connections? When in 2007 is it likely to begin? If EK could g
134 TG992 : EK has rights to fly to New Zealand but only to carry PAX from the middle east to NZ. They do not have the right to fly pax from NZ to the USA. Read
135 Aerokiwi : Nor do I. Except that when I brought this up (no points on Global Maxi Saver) back in June/July on this forum, I was pounced upon by just about every
136 Post contains images TG992 : Maybe we still don't agree but have changed because some PAX disagree. We can all be wrong at times you know. You also never know when it will change
137 RichardJF : I imagine EK can get trans pacific traffic rights out of the US as part of a large 787 purchase if they don't have them now.
138 TG992 : Yeah the US Govt might be okay with it but will NZ Govt??? Ground TG992[Edited 2007-01-04 09:28:15]
139 NZ107 : I really hope so... The extra competition on this route would be nice. They have already allowed them to fly the trans-tasman route and cause NZ to c
140 RichardJF : EK is great but it is a problem. WLG is ideal for NZ because you can manipulate where the tourists are staying by creating your own tourist system. Bu
141 Planemanofnz : Not the majority of the household gets the income from QF now do they? But this isn't about them, it is about your opinion. Sometimes it can really b
142 777ER : Might make some exceptions, if the seat numbers are expected based on the size of the aircraft, but taking their B777s into cosideration, they will t
143 777ER : From what two members have said before. If an Airlines intentions (EK) will 'damange' NZs interests (ie NZs best route), then the NZ govt will prohib
144 Alaskaqantas : yes, QF came out with the Skybed before NZ came out with premium business class. My uncle, who is the owner of Line 7 clothing, Musto, and Canterbury
145 VHVXB : or because they have said numerous times that they don't want to fly from OZ to USA 4 you mean flights a day to NZ
146 TG992 : How/Why? One is always signed off as Ground TG992. Just the same as QF is it? Yip, mine is NZ. Now should be debate Pepsi or Coke as well? My error.
147 TG992 : Cool this is now fixed. Ground TG992
148 Aerokiwi : I have looked all over for a PDF of the UAE-NZ Air Services Agreement and can't find it. I suspect it requires a request to the Ministry of Transport
149 TG992 : Que?
150 Planemanofnz : Because they only need to look at how the Australian Government has looked at their application for additional flights (PER-AKL) or they need to look
151 TG992 : Yeah before we started the "Ground TG992". Anyway back to this week.... Well their domestic flights tend to be long flight times than out 45Min WLGCH
152 Antskip : Problem is that with NZ's present policies, all QF's Australian domestic routes, even PER-MEL/SYD, would be categorized as "short distance". QF has a
153 Nzrich : Hi interesting comments but the NZ and Aussie Domestic flights are too totally different markets ..Nearly all flights in NZ exc 2 are an hour flight
154 Post contains links Macilree : Yes, although the NZ-UAE Air Services Agreement (ASA) has been published in hard copy by the NZ Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade in the New Zeal
155 Post contains images Aerokiwi : Wow, very helpful, thank you very much. Nice to see on here. It is rather odd that it is so difficult to get hold of the ASA. Shouldn't it be accessi
156 Post contains images TG992 : Ohhh Thank you! Ground TG992
157 Post contains links Macilree : Aerokiwi, I can now confirm that I can send you .pdf files of the NZ-UAE ASA and MoU as we have already publicly released them. Just send me an email
158 6thfreedom : Can you point out where these are??
159 Post contains links Macilree : I appreciate that this is starting to get a little off topic but here is what I have found. The Australian Treaties Database is available on the DFAT
160 Aerokiwi : Here is the actual text from the ASA between New Zealand and the UAE... (Article 9) "2. In the operation of the agreed services by a designated airli
161 Darenw : I think this means that EK could fly to and beyond NZ, to routes that ANZ doesn't operate, like say maybe Chicago, New York. But this is only a wild
162 TG992 : Since at least one member appears to be confused.. Both myself and "Ground TG992" are NZ employees. My partner (who does not post here) is a QF emplo
163 Planemanofnz : Rubbish! You work for NZ so you should know your geogrpahy of the country better! The longest domestic flights for NZ are AKL-DUD and AKL-ZQN both of
164 RichardJF : Treasury people etc would regard NZ as a very static business over many years and it will have little political influence in Wellington (especially wi
165 TG992 : Before making your hysterical 13-15 age group posts accusing Ground TG992 of being ignorant of geography, you should get your facts straight. Where d
166 Aerokiwi : Of course, all of this could've been cleared up/avoided by simply, oh I dunno, having different usernames to start with.
167 Post contains images Zkpilot : Happy 6 year anniversary of being an A.nut TG992 That sure is a long time! may there be at least 6 more!
168 TG992 : You'll learn to cope. Christ.. I had no idea until you pointed it out. That is a long time. Thanks!
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